So if Muslims in America started organizing militias...

[phrodeau]

Starting too? I have been saying that's what we should do since day one you fucking dumb ass....you're the one who support's Prohibition.

Tell me again phrodeau...

Why is machine gun ok but an Ar15 just too dangerous it needs to be banned???

See...you and your gun control advocate buddies are ignorant morons.



Why is that hypocritical crap?

Because it point's out exactly what we did to them and rubs it in peoples faces???

We took their weapons under agreement/treaty to protect them... then we slaughtered them wholesale and took 99.999% of their shit anyhow. That's a fucking fact...not hypocrisy. That bill board is spot the fuck on.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/jackson2.gif = http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/images/stories/hitler.jpg only diff between the two is ours killed more, won and thus got to write the history books as a hero.....the german guy failed and was labeled the bad guy. History is all perspective...

Most of the American Indians gave up their weapons because they knew that they lost the war.

So if the NRA loses this legislative war, are you going to hand in your weapons?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Most of the American Indians gave up their weapons because they knew that they lost the war.

No you ignoranus...the The gave up their weapons b/c we talked them into it as part of peace treaties and told them if they just complied with us that we would ensure their security and well being.

And we fucking lied out our ass's about ALL OF IT...broke every fuckin' deal we made with them and started in with whole sale slaughtering, death marching, rape, pillage and plundering of the native american people.

Those actions are and will forever be a vile shit stain of a dishonor upon the US of A's history...truly deplorable actions.

So if the NRA loses this legislative war, are you going to hand in your weapons?

Ummmm the NRA continues to hand the gun control lobby it's ass.....you can't even get legislation out of your own back yard. And no I'm not handing in shit until they repeal the 2A. ...good luck with that.

 

[sigh]

Why is that hypocritical crap?

Because it point's out exactly what we did to them and rubs it in peoples faces???

We took their weapons under agreement/treaty to protect them... then we slaughtered them wholesale and took 99.999% of their shit anyhow. That's a fucking fact...not hypocrisy. That bill board is spot the fuck on....

Actually, it's pretty much accepted now that the massive depopulation of Native Americans after the arrival of Europeans was mostly due to exposure to a wide variety of diseases for which they had no natural immunity, and not warfare. So the billboard is not spot on. The billboard just plays to the Hollywood version of western history. and certainly doesn't reflect actual fact.

On the bright side, the Native Americans in return did share a particularly nasty form of syphilis with the Europeans, that quickly spread back to the homeland.

 

[eyer]

And no I'm not handing in shit until they repeal the 2A. ...

I seem to recall you sharing this same position originally - surrendering your weapons if the 2nd is repealed - but then floating more toward an inherent right stance, yet the above hints that you're back to where you started from...

...since I'm more interested in truth rather than spew any opinion I may or may not have on your seemingly contradictory stances, could you please clear-up the issue?

Ie, if the 2nd is repealed by an Amendment which also includes surrendering your weapons...

...will you or will you not comply?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Actually, it's pretty much accepted now that the massive depopulation of Native Americans after the arrival of Europeans was mostly due to exposure to a wide variety of diseases for which they had no natural immunity, and not warfare. So the billboard is not spot on. The billboard just plays to the Hollywood version of western history. and certainly doesn't reflect actual fact.

On the bright side, the Native Americans in return did share a particularly nasty form of syphilis with the Europeans, that quickly spread back to the homeland.

OH...so we didn't outright slaughter entire tribes that were supposed to be under our protection on numerous occasions??

We didn't march a few million of them to death?

That whole trail of tears was a pile of hollywood bullshit hua???

We didn't break several treaties at a total whim that wound up being a major blows on so many levels to the people we essentially kept captive like animals on a game preserve for the US Calvary to use as target practice?? That was all a lie hua??

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ie, if the 2nd is repealed by an Amendment which also includes surrendering your weapons...

...will you or will you not comply?

As long as this was done properly, voted on and ratified by congress (I would not accept an a exec order shitting on any amendment from any POTUS) then yes as a member of society who has agreed to a set of rules (the constitution) we all agree to live by.....I would comply.

Some asshole with some bull shit loophole power to take my shit from me without due process? I don't fucking think so....you mother fuckers better bring air support b/c you're going to need it.

 

[sigh]

OH...so we didn't outright slaughter entire tribes that were supposed to be under our protection on numerous occasions??

We didn't march a few million of them to death?

That whole trail of tears was a pile of hollywood bullshit hua???

We didn't break several treaties at a total whim that wound up being a major blows on so many levels to the people we essentially kept captive like animals on a game preserve for the US Calvary to use as target practice?? That was all a lie hua??

There were atrocities, no doubt, same then as now, but in terms of the overall depopulation of Native Americans, they were the exception, not the rule. The death toll along the Trail of Tears, for instance, was numbered in the thousands, rather than a million. The massacre at Wounded Knee left about 150 dead. The Sand Creek massacre also left around 150 dead.

I support the 2nd, remember, and own guns myself. I just think that tactics like that billboard do more harm that good; it feeds off a mythology that hides an even more horrible truth.

 

[koalabear]

Actually, it's pretty much accepted now that the massive depopulation of Native Americans after the arrival of Europeans was mostly due to exposure to a wide variety of diseases for which they had no natural immunity, and not warfare. So the billboard is not spot on. The billboard just plays to the Hollywood version of western history. and certainly doesn't reflect actual fact.

On the bright side, the Native Americans in return did share a particularly nasty form of syphilis with the Europeans, that quickly spread back to the homeland.

Look up the massacre at Wounded Knee. The sign is right on the money.

 

[sigh]

Look up the massacre at Wounded Knee. The sign is right on the money.

Which led to 150 dead Lakota. Regrettable and horrible, no doubt (just mentioned it in my previous post, in fact) but I'm talking about real genocide, on a much more massive scale.

 

[koalabear]

Which led to 150 dead Lakota. Regrettable and horrible, no doubt (just mentioned it in my previous post, in fact) but I'm talking about real genocide, on a much more massive scale.

Tell him he need have no fear in giving up his arms, as I wish to treat him kindly.'
It was just a legal to shoot an Indian as it was a buffalo.

 

[bra_man69]

Which led to 150 dead Lakota. Regrettable and horrible, no doubt (just mentioned it in my previous post, in fact) but I'm talking about real genocide, on a much more massive scale.

What the fuck there was genocide.
Read what the army done to the cherokee indians in palo duro canyon.

 

[sigh]

Tell him he need have no fear in giving up his arms, as I wish to treat him kindly.'
It was just a legal to shoot an Indian as it was a buffalo.

But buffalo tastes better, and the hide makes a warmer coat. No profit in skinning an Indian.

Well, I'm assuming buffalo tastes better, anyway. I'm not Dahmer.

 

[eyer]

As long as this was done properly, voted on and ratified by congress (I would not accept an a exec order shitting on any amendment from any POTUS) then yes as a member of society who has agreed to a set of rules (the constitution) we all agree to live by.....I would comply.

Some asshole with some bull shit loophole power to take my shit from me without due process? I don't fucking think so....you mother fuckers better bring air support b/c you're going to need it.

Yeah, I think most around here already got how big of a bad-azz you fantasize you are...

...but the question simply required an answer, so thanks for nothing in re: to your ego ejaculation there.

Fact is, hotdog, just like with all the rest of us, all it'd take is one bullet to make you nothing but wormfood, too.

I do think, though, it's kinda cute when you add that "as a member of society who has agreed to a set of rules (the constitution) we all agree to live by" fluff...

...when the Constitution now specifically commands that the right to bear arms...shall not be infringed.

Quite obviously, it's not the fundamental purpose of the "set of rules" that interests you - it's simply what the herd "agree to live by" that'll lead you by your nose...

...unless, of course, the herd "agree to live by" "rules" you don't personally agree with, right?

What about the 1st, Mr. Badazz? You going to surrender your inherent right to free speech, too, if a majority "agrees" to that?

Do you actually fantasize you got any authority at all to vote away mine or any one else's?

You cite "due process" in your ego-stroking bravado exercise above...

...but the 5th can be done away with, too, in your "we all agree to live by" logic.

I do, seriously, appreciate your rare candidness in exposing how you truly squat politically...

...no doubt you've just earned at least a few likes within the collective.

 

[sigh]

What the fuck there was genocide.
Read what the army done to the cherokee indians in palo duro canyon.

Three dead, and the whites didn't take their guns first so that's irrelevant to what's on the billboard.

Look, I'm not discounting that atrocities happened. They certainly did (on both sides) but by the time these massacres and western battles were winding up, the vast majority of Native Americans were already dead from smallpox, cholera, diphtheria, malaria and a host of other diseases to which they'd never before been exposed and for which they therefore had no immunity.

This is a stupid argument. Have a good night, guys.

 

[eyer]

This is a stupid argument.

It's not an argument, sigh:

You served stone-cold facts...

...the boys just prefer feasting on the hyperbolic emotion their egos set so effortlessly before them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yeah, I think most around here already got how big of a bad-azz you are.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23142992.jpg

Fact is, hotdog, just like with all the rest of us, all it'd take is one bullet to make you nothing but wormfood, too.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/119/+_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png?1322693145

Be careful of shot placement though...I killed the last sum bitch who shot me and failed.

I do think, though, it's kinda cute when you add that "as a member of society who has agreed to a set of rules (the constitution) we all agree to live by" fluff...

That's all any laws are...rules a group of people agree to live by. Kinda like language...a set of symbols that represent an agreed upon meaning within a group. Without that agreement neither have any meaning what so ever.

...when the Constitution now specifically commands that the right to bear arms...shall not be infringed.

Only be cause we the people agree that it wont be.

Quite obviously, it's not the fundamental purpose of the "set of rules" that interests you - it's simply what the herd "agree to live by" that'll lead you by your nose...

That is the case with all laws and even rights....they only exist because we all agree they do.

...unless, of course, the herd "agree to live by" "rules" you don't personally agree with, right?

Well that is what breeds something we like to call dissension....a natural occurring consequence of when the group cannot come to an agreement.

What about the 1st, Mr. Badazz? You going to surrender your inherent right to free speech, too, if a majority "agrees" to that?

Won't have much of a choice will I? I either comply or rebel....

Do you actually fantasize you got any authority at all to vote away mine or any one else's?

You cite "due process" in your ego-stroking bravado exercise above...

No I'm actually very pro liberty....but the reality is my liberty is afforded to me by the community around me, without them I probably wouldn't live long. We are a social species that needs the herd. And in order to have a functioning herd the herd has to agree upon a set of rules that it will live by. Even cave man knew this....why don't you??
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001069623/cavemen_xlarge.jpeg

...but the 5th can be done away with, too, in your "we all agree to live by" logic.

As can any other right or law the herd affords the individual.

I guarantee you if 99% of america voted to do away with the bill of right there wouldn't be a fucking thing you could do to stop them from torching it.

I do, seriously, appreciate your rare candidness in exposing how you truly squat politically...

...no doubt you've just earned at least a few likes within the collective.

What I think should be, wish could be and my perception of what actually is, are all different things....don't confuse them or assume b/c you heard a tidbit of one you know about the other.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this has been mentioned before. Organizations that are or were hostile to the USA have already formed militias and stockpiled weapons. There were the Black Panthers in the 1960's and 1970's and other smaller radical groups about the same time. Currently, there are the New Black Panthers, who are an extremely racist group and spout their wish to kill or enslave all white people. They are, nominally, part of the Nation of Islam, but too extreme for even that group to accept fully. They and others such as the Black Guerillas are small, but no smaller than the militias the OP is obliquely referencing.

 

[eyer]

No I'm actually very pro liberty....but the reality is...

...you're really not.

The "but" says it all, poser.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I think it would work for all guns....

So, yet again, I ask you:

How would "regulation" (I assume that means NFA-style fingerprinting/license/annual tax) keep guns "out of the wrong hands"?

Criminals won't give a rip.

^ ???

Last I checked the 200 dollar tax was a one time tax...not a reoccurring one.

That's correct; the annual tax is for FFLs.

There are millions of NFA item owners.

Where? In your dreams?

The ATF says 240,000 registered machine guns, half of which belong to law enforcement. So about 120,000 machine guns are possessed by civilians.

And I don't agree with the taxing beyond the cost to run that paper work circus...but licencing? Fuckin' right..look at the rate of incidents with CCW/CHL holders...very very low. And I think the training requirements to get a licence should be like way the fuck more extensive than any of the current training curriculum's required.

How? Real simple...you have a licence and a whole load of guns that fall under the endorsements of your licence...no problems.

No licence? In possession of guns you haven't met the requirements to receive an endorsement to legally posses?? You lose your shit and go to jail.

Real clear line for both LEO/Prosecutors and civilians and lots of CYA for both too....play by the rules and you're untouchable, have all the guns your bank account/licence can afford you and everything is cool. But if you get caught playing fuck fuck games then the Popo/DA nail your ass to the wall.

The idea of a licencing system also opens the way for unilateral gun laws. You have a licence? Those carry/possession laws are the same for all 50 states....think of the benefits and perks of not having to worry about having to sell off/trade your collection or fuck around with any of the thousands of weird bull shit laws that make interstate travel/relocation as a gun owner/carrier a total pain in the fuckin' dick. That would be nice eh?

The rest of this is just a lot of disorganized crazy nonsense.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I keep wondering why a requirement to know how to use a gun isn't part of the debate. Kind of like how knowing how to use a car is part of the requirement to drive it. People who use guns (or store them) without knowing what they're doing are a risk to themselves and others, not sure why nobody is making that case.

It doesn't need to be. "People who use guns" already know how to use guns by definition.

 

[Byron In Exile]

100% agree...not only would it be good for the person seeking to become a gun owner/carrier but it would be a big warm fuzzy for the public at large if us law abiding gun owners were all carrying a licence with some legitimate training behind it.

At least until the next school massacre.

win win all over the place with training and regulation over prohibition...

Well as soon as the fuckin' morons in DC start acting like elected officials and generate some of that instead of coming up with the most asinine bullshit they can think of in order to perpetuate their partisan pissing contest...I would agree.

But that has yet to be seen.....

A universal licensing requirement would violate the 2nd Amendment.

 

[phrodeau]

It doesn't need to be. "People who use guns" already know how to use guns by definition.

Bullshit. "People who use video cameras" is a vastly larger set than "people who know how to use video cameras".

 

[Byron In Exile]

Now you're starting to get it.

You hear that, Bot? Phrodeau just said you're starting to get it! lol...

Millions of NFA weapon owners,

 

[Byron In Exile]

Bullshit. "People who use video cameras" is a vastly larger set than "people who know how to use video cameras".

Reality.

Cameras were a stupid analogy to try to make.

Taking a good picture is much more complicated than shooting a gun. People who've never used a gun think there must be some arcane science to it, but they are very simple devices.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I seem to recall you sharing this same position originally - surrendering your weapons if the 2nd is repealed - but then floating more toward an inherent right stance, yet the above hints that you're back to where you started from...

...since I'm more interested in truth rather than spew any opinion I may or may not have on your seemingly contradictory stances, could you please clear-up the issue?

"We can only hope that when his head is finished spinning around it'll be facing to the front again."