What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[Busybody]

the US can be and should be

Unless DA NIGGER fucks it up

ENERGY INDEPENDENT

in a few years


(margin rates should be 100% on oil, and physical delivery SHOULD be required......but THAT would lower oil prices, and Im not sure if that happens, the above happens)

 

[JohnnySavage]

the US can be and should be

Unless DA NIGGER fucks it up

ENERGY INDEPENDENT

in a few years


(margin rates should be 100% on oil, and physical delivery SHOULD be required......but THAT would lower oil prices, and Im not sure if that happens, the above happens)

Same with pork bellies

 

[MidgetClown]

http://www.screeninsults.com/images/one-flew-over-the-cuckoos-nest-nicholson-laughing.jpg

It doesn't really matter anymore...

 

[mercury14]

Lomborg: Electricity prices for German households have increased 61% since 2000 – renewables blamed

Posted on January 23, 2013 by Anthony Watts


Pursuant to my earlier story today about the article in Spiegel, Bjørn Lomborg writes on his Facebook page:

Real German electricity prices for households have increased 61% since 2000. One quarter of household costs now stems directly from renewable energy. Also, the increase is *not* because of increasing production costs (which have actually slightly declined since 1978).

The increase is due to dramatically increasing taxes, most noticeably from the Renewable Energy Act (EEG). In 2013 the EEG will increase 50% to 6.28 euro-cent (5.28 cents plus 19% VAT).

In June 2011, Chancellor Angela Merkel famously promised to keep EEG prices stable, but this promise has now clearly been broken. The German household will pay 24% of its electricity bill to renewables.

Perhaps this is why more people are stealing wood from German forests (http://*******/VMllfs) and likely why up to 800,000 people can’t pay their electricity bills (http://*******/XcK7nv). Some estimates show costs could escalate to €300 billion by 2030 (http://*******/Qab1Hr).

Notice, that industry still pays much less and about the same as it paid in 1978.

Data from OECD (prices http://*******/10IXX5J, with 2012 estimated from first two quarters from IEA, and adjusted with German Consumer Price Index (MEI), http://*******/UkWaj7)

Real German Electricity price for households have increased 61% since 2000
Real German Electricity price for households have increased 61% since 2000

Real German electricity prices for households have increased 61% since 2000. One quarter of household costs now stems directly from renewable energy.

Maybe this is why Germans are now burning so much wood for home heat, as Donna Laframboise observes.

Ah yes, "climatologist" Anthony Watts. Who has a climatology degree from - oh wait he's just a dumbfuck college dropout/climate change denier pretending to be a climate expert. Yes let's listen to what he has to say and take it as fact. Especially when his sources are sites banned on Lit.

Conservatives always love the fear-mongering "taxes are going up 50%!" line when a 4 cent tax turns into a 6 cent one.

 

[Busybody]

Ah yes, "climatologist" Anthony Watts. Who has a climatology degree from - oh wait he's just a dumbfuck college dropout/climate change denier pretending to be a climate expert. Yes let's listen to what he has to say and take it as fact. Especially when his sources are sites banned on Lit.

this is WHY

I will never respond to you again


BYE!

 

[mercury14]

this is WHY

I will never respond to you again


BYE!

How dare I suggest that it may not be the best idea to base our nation's environmental policy on the web blather of a guy with a high school education!

 

[Busybody]

this is WHY

I will never respond to you again


BYE!

in fact

You, CURRY

are going on IGGY

shame, cause you had potential

 

[JohnnySavage]

Ah yes, "climatologist" Anthony Watts. Who has a climatology degree from - oh wait he's just a dumbfuck college dropout/climate change denier pretending to be a climate expert. Yes let's listen to what he has to say and take it as fact. Especially when his sources are sites banned on Lit.

Conservatives always love the fear-mongering "taxes are going up 50%!" line when a 4 cent tax turns into a 6 cent one.

What does the article have to do with climatology

 

[Busybody]

How dare I suggest that it may not be the best idea to base our nation's environmental policy on the web blather of a guy with a high school education!

my last answer to you

a MONKEY could have written that

it didn't matter


the facts in there

are unarguable

BYE!

I may unIGGY you in weeks

MAY

 

[Busybody]

What does the article have to do with climatology

 

[mercury14]

What does the article have to do with climatology

It has nothing to do with climatology. I'm saying that it's author is notoriously deceitful and therefore its contents ought to be verified.

 

[MidgetClown]

my last answer to you

a MONKEY could have written that

it didn't matter


the facts in there

are unarguable

BYE!

I may unIGGY you in weeks

MAY

http://www.gamereactor.no/media/forum/no/724028_85.jpg

I want to see you in my office Monday morning!

 

[JohnnySavage]

It has nothing to do with climatology. I'm saying that it's author is notoriously deceitful and therefore its contents ought to be verified.

In the context of the discussion, the facts in the article are irrelevant, even if true.

Germany is the economic leader in Europe, even including their high energy prices. Further, Germany's switch to renewables is more about energy independence and developing a new industry to exploit than it is about climate change.

 

[mercury14]

In the context of the discussion, the facts in the article are irrelevant, even if true.

Germany is the economic leader in Europe, even including their high energy prices. Further, Germany's switch to renewables is more about energy independence and developing a new industry to exploit than it is about climate change.

I'm not disputing that. And I wish America saw it more that way.

 

[Busybody]

In the context of the discussion, the facts in the article are irrelevant, even if true.

Germany is the economic leader in Europe, even including their high energy prices. Further, Germany's switch to renewables is more about energy independence and developing a new industry to exploit than it is about climate change.

true


Im sure

If prices keep escalating

Economic problems would manifest themselves

They may run outa wood, for instance

 

[Busybody]

WHEN IT COMES TO END-OF-LIFE DECISIONS, The State Does Not Love You. “First, socialist states invariably run out of money once they finally destroy their productive class; and second, the state has neither heart nor soul. To you, Patient X is your beloved mother, or brother, or child. To the state, Patient X is an unnecessary cost to an already strained system.”

 

[Busybody]

In the context of the discussion, the facts in the article are irrelevant, even if true.

Germany is the economic leader in Europe, even including their high energy prices. Further, Germany's switch to renewables is more about energy independence and developing a new industry to exploit than it is about climate change.

fuck that shit of HIG ENERGY "GREEN" PRICES

its BS


OIL IS REE-NEWABLE

MORE BAD NEWS FOR OPEC: Aussies Strike Black Gold. “Move over, America, there’s a new shale oil giant in town. An Australian drilling company found a huge shale oil deposit potentially containing enough oil to match the reserves of Saudi Arabia. . . . It’s not clear yet how much oil is recoverable, but even at the low end the field would include as much shale oil as America’s Bakken formation, which has helped transform U.S. energy production and the global energy landscape. If higher estimates prove more accurate, Australia could join the U.S. as one of the world’s top oil producers.”

 

[JohnnySavage]

fuck that shit of HIG ENERGY "GREEN" PRICES

its BS


OIL IS REE-NEWABLE

MORE BAD NEWS FOR OPEC: Aussies Strike Black Gold. “Move over, America, there’s a new shale oil giant in town. An Australian drilling company found a huge shale oil deposit potentially containing enough oil to match the reserves of Saudi Arabia. . . . It’s not clear yet how much oil is recoverable, but even at the low end the field would include as much shale oil as America’s Bakken formation, which has helped transform U.S. energy production and the global energy landscape. If higher estimates prove more accurate, Australia could join the U.S. as one of the world’s top oil producers.”

How much does it cost to turn shale oil into a useful product?

 

[Busybody]

How much does it cost to turn shale oil into a useful product?

at first, a lot

down the road, MUCH LESS

that's why OPEN funded PROMISED LAND

GREEN has shown itself to be ruinous, (SPAIN)

 

[JohnnySavage]

I hear Geithner is going to work at H&R Block preparing 1040-EZ forms.

 

[JohnnySavage]

at first, a lot

down the road, MUCH LESS

that's why OPEN funded PROMISED LAND

GREEN has shown itself to be ruinous, (SPAIN)

Hmmmm... kinda like solar?


The smart money is in electrical storage tech.

 

[Busybody]

Hmmmm... kinda like solar?


The smart money is in electrical storage tech.

BS!


Solar, like cell phones before it.....is a commodity

lowest bidder

lowest price

all the same,

sold on price alone

 

[JohnnySavage]

BS!


Solar, like cell phones before it.....is a commodity

lowest bidder

lowest price

all the same,

sold on price alone

As solar tech develops (which costs money), you will see exterior coatings on buildings that generate electricity. Roofing and siding will be photo-voltaic. Asphalt shingles will be replaced with flexible solar systems. As the tech develops, cost will come down.

First office buildings will be energy independent from the grid, and then houses.

The limitation right now, is that it's hard to store electricity.

 

[mercury14]

As solar tech develops (which costs money), you will see exterior coatings on buildings that generate electricity. Roofing and siding will be photo-voltaic. Asphalt shingles will be replaced with flexible solar systems. As the tech develops, cost will come down.

First office buildings will be energy independent from the grid, and then houses.

The limitation right now, is that it's hard to store electricity.

Or houses first? We had solar panels installed in the fall and combined with our geothermal heating and cooling our house uses very little electricity. And we don't use natural gas at all anymore except for the negligible cost of the stove.

We actually didn't buy the panels, we're leasing them for $88 per month. And they dropped our electric bill in the fall to a $20 credit or about $225 per month in savings. I think our last bill was like sixty bucks and most of that was just rider charges. This next bill will probably be a lot more because it's been very cold and cloudy but that's where the geothermal pays off.

The Geo unit was $16k after the tax credits (we needed a new furnace and AC anyway), and the solar panels had no installation charge and they provide all maintenance for free. I have no idea why someone would not want to lease solar panels unless they don't have the roof for it or they're under tree cover. It's free money.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Or houses first? We had solar panels installed in the fall and combined with our geothermal heating and cooling our house uses very little electricity. And we don't use natural gas at all anymore except for the negligible cost of the stove.

We actually didn't buy the panels, we're leasing them for $88 per month. And they dropped our electric bill in the fall to a $20 credit or about $225 per month in savings. I think our last bill was like sixty bucks and half of that was just rider charges. This next bill will probably be a lot more because it's been very cold and cloudy but that's where the geothermal pays off.

The Geo unit was $16k after the tax credits (we needed a new furnace and AC anyway), and the solar panels had no installation charge and they provide all maintenance for free. I have no idea why someone would not want to lease solar panels unless they don't have the roof for it or they're under tree cover. It's free money.

For most people solar isn't cost effective because they don't use enough to justify the capital costs. Office buildings are different and have enough surface area to recoup the initial costs, especially in new construction. You are already seeing canister wind generators being installed, and water collection systems are widely in use to reduce water costs. The next step in the LEED specifications is to incorporate solar in the building design.

As commercial properties drive demand, the technology will be scaled back for residential use.