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Oh, oh, oh... Please do not tell me you wrote that off the top of your head!
For one single paragraph it reads like a four-volume Russian Novel.
And, it's pretty good.
For someone who has the capacity to feel this deeply and to express it, you must also yield to the steely grip of the true gods... Knowing what you know, feeling as you do, means being driven to the edge of the kind of madness that is inflicted upon some humans by the gods when they intend to reveal themselves...
Love is a madness, you see, so said the ancient Greeks. Without this true madness, neither will you truly know love, nor will you ever be able to see and to know the gods.
Without this form of madness, it is only speculation that the gods exist. None but the mad-in-love are allowed to know for sure that they do exist, but of course, they are not then able to come back down from the mountain and tell of the experience to those humans who are not possessed by the same divine madness. People will not believe, either the things you will have seen, or the things you will have heard, or those things that you will then experienced.
Knock, and the door shall opened; seek, and you shall find.
But do not wallow in a self-pitying dilemma about lacking the power or having a fear that what you seek does not exist - for it truly does. Enter once through that door, however, and you may not be able to return from that place. There are very great risks to this quest.
For one single paragraph it reads like a four-volume Russian Novel.
And, it's pretty good.
For someone who has the capacity to feel this deeply and to express it, you must also yield to the steely grip of the true gods... Knowing what you know, feeling as you do, means being driven to the edge of the kind of madness that is inflicted upon some humans by the gods when they intend to reveal themselves...
Love is a madness, you see, so said the ancient Greeks. Without this true madness, neither will you truly know love, nor will you ever be able to see and to know the gods.
Without this form of madness, it is only speculation that the gods exist. None but the mad-in-love are allowed to know for sure that they do exist, but of course, they are not then able to come back down from the mountain and tell of the experience to those humans who are not possessed by the same divine madness. People will not believe, either the things you will have seen, or the things you will have heard, or those things that you will then experienced.
Knock, and the door shall opened; seek, and you shall find.
But do not wallow in a self-pitying dilemma about lacking the power or having a fear that what you seek does not exist - for it truly does. Enter once through that door, however, and you may not be able to return from that place. There are very great risks to this quest.
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This conversation you have started is really not for 'the many...' In vino veritas, they say.
In my life of 54 years I have encountered hardly any people who have come close to the ideas you are expressing - some accidentally fence around them but not many hit right on them. And because of some of the things you have said, I shall disclose a few things I seldom do.
When I say 'my life of 54 years' well, THIS life. For I recall several others.
Human life, as you know, is something like a masked play where the actors are not permanent and neither, indeed, are they as totally self-knowing as they want to have everyone believe that they are: thus, when you say, 'I am fundamentally alone,' what you are sensing is that in some way what appears before us in the immediate moment, physically present but part of the mortal world, and claims to be real and conscious - is only partly so.
Unless you encounter and are in the presence therefore, of another person with the exact same elevated sense of meaning about life and feelings and reality, that you possess, the affair will be too one-sided in a very crucial way.
Now this is the part that is not for too many ears - but you may credit it where others will most certainly not.
The ancient Greeks were right when they spoke of Man being a creature halfway between the mortal and the divine. In our mortal life, we cannot really know love. But we do seek it and believe that somehow it is important.
But I say, as mortals we CANNOT really know it. And this is not for any other reason than the gods (who really do exist) totally keep to themselves what is divine, and give it out, only to what can 'hold' or contain it. When you walk as a mortal being, you are like a kind of machine, which acts and reacts to the mind within, but SEEMS therefore to be determing itself and be 'living' and to possess feelings and emotions and understand 'love.' We do not love. We FEEL love. Love is a force possessed by gods. And these beings are extremely jealous of what they own. And they own the spirit in Man/Woman. This spirit within, IF it chooses to approach the god without, consciously, willingly, blazes more strongly within the mechanistic mortal being, until such moment when this two-form being is similar to a divine being itself - that is, deathless, ageless, and in many other ways somewhat beyond simple understanding.
The sanskrit scholars, wrote that by repeating certain sound-seeds (mantra) a person would harmonize within themselves, to the characteristics of the particular god that oversaw that sound vibration, and after many repetitions of that sound, would ACTUALLY SEE THE GOD IN QUESTION.
As humans we are certainly younger than the gods, although, there is a part of us that is of the same age. And so it follows that there is an inner sense which tells us that what we most desire is something much older, much wiser, much more powerful and all covering than anything we ourselves for the greater part can generate out of our own experience and intellect.
And so, I will tell you that I have encountered the objects of human innermost desire on a few occasions... I will relate to you that on one such occasions, a girl of no more than 23 arrived into a place where there was a good deal of security and everyone there assumed they knew this person and what they were doing there and so on... I knew, because of being 'awake' let's say, that what was going on was simply impossible, and that all the workers here were completely 'deluded' or fooled or somehow being mind-deceived. At every step, during every moment, now that I am an 'older' person, I knew I should have been shocked or excited but at every moment instead, I was feeling curious and trying to suppress the thrill. This person was going by a name that very clearly in ancient Greek means 'princess daughter of the father' and not a single person overtly seemed to sense what was transpiring.
Now I tell you this because I will affirm to you that love, to the gods, is much more like lust and a very strong force that is both highly erotic and at the same time not as furtive or negative as humans in the ordinary open social context make it out to be - whilst they themselves behave quite differently behind closed doors and in private.
...I have had this experience on more than just a few times throughout my life, and according to my parents, they had similar things happen to them although my father rarely spoken about it because he liked to be 'very down to earth' - as I myself am too within the context of say the work environment and society that I normally inhabit.
But underlying it, my life is not like that, not completely 'normal.'
Whenever you have a sexual experience or relationship with another 'ordinary' human being, you will notice they are quite disconnected from the deepest levels of forces like love and lust and superconscious 'being.' At the same time though, when you have a consciousness that there are (very) intelligent forces and beings beyond the superficial physical human realm, you will accept that it is okay that people are a bit like dumbed-down if slightly intelligent puppets. It's like they are all on some difficult scholastic journey, and only very dimly aware of the propositions of their own lives and the meanings entailed and the things they are required to comprehend.
This journey seems to need to take years and years - hundreds, even thousands of years.
I was raised in a very wealthy household with lots of mainly Tamilian maids and service people who culturally acquainted me with gods and goddesses they followed. As a result, I from an early age was acquainted with the idea that there is a sex goddess and a wisdom goddess who are not significantly as different in that the Tamils hold that sex is a pure and a good force throughout the Universe.
I am not so acquainted with this sex goddess personality except only very vaguely, but I am personally acquainted with the one that is associated with wisdom. At an early age out of silliness I started to chant this particular mantra and after not very long at all, I started to have these experiences such as what I have been describing above. I cannot determine WHEN someone will appear, I cannot insist that they do, but they do, and completely in the midst of other people who appear utterly oblivious to the nature of the person there. Dogs, cats, small children, and horses however, I have observed, are very clear in what THEY believe they are seeing.
As time has unfolded, the extent to which I have observed people are just unknowing puppets on the whole, is staggering to me but not anything that I can alter. Nor have I tried nor have I ever really spoke too much about this type of thing.
I have been to private sex parties all over the world - Sydney, South Africa, London, Austria, Germany, Russia - god all over the place. Some of my 'normal' friends have asked me how do I get to these places. I have never said. But I get led there. By other 'friends.'
I don't think I'm going to get into particular trouble saying this, but there is a well-known what's called 'public thinker' Bernard Henri-Levy, who I have been in company with at a certain function although let's say, not necessarily a 'sex' one. He says he is an atheist. Which is very funny to me because the person he spent a lot of time dancing with and talking animatedly with for literally hours was the young individual who took me into this 'private' function and who I regard as only pretending and very badly so, to be human.
Now I don't know if the gods must die and that they are not supremely powerful and must yield before all science and the New York Times and therefore one must be 'atheist' - but if you want to get properly laid, worship the gods of wisdom and erotic love and you will be led to where there are others who will make you feel less alone than as a mere mortal human being, you inevitably are and must forever be.
For Love is of the Divine and not of this world at all. And it is far far, very far from lacking in the highest plangency of erotic sex the way people seem to think that it is. Indeed, the Divine IS Sex, not earth-bound falsely idealistic 'love.'
In my life of 54 years I have encountered hardly any people who have come close to the ideas you are expressing - some accidentally fence around them but not many hit right on them. And because of some of the things you have said, I shall disclose a few things I seldom do.
When I say 'my life of 54 years' well, THIS life. For I recall several others.
Human life, as you know, is something like a masked play where the actors are not permanent and neither, indeed, are they as totally self-knowing as they want to have everyone believe that they are: thus, when you say, 'I am fundamentally alone,' what you are sensing is that in some way what appears before us in the immediate moment, physically present but part of the mortal world, and claims to be real and conscious - is only partly so.
Unless you encounter and are in the presence therefore, of another person with the exact same elevated sense of meaning about life and feelings and reality, that you possess, the affair will be too one-sided in a very crucial way.
Now this is the part that is not for too many ears - but you may credit it where others will most certainly not.
The ancient Greeks were right when they spoke of Man being a creature halfway between the mortal and the divine. In our mortal life, we cannot really know love. But we do seek it and believe that somehow it is important.
But I say, as mortals we CANNOT really know it. And this is not for any other reason than the gods (who really do exist) totally keep to themselves what is divine, and give it out, only to what can 'hold' or contain it. When you walk as a mortal being, you are like a kind of machine, which acts and reacts to the mind within, but SEEMS therefore to be determing itself and be 'living' and to possess feelings and emotions and understand 'love.' We do not love. We FEEL love. Love is a force possessed by gods. And these beings are extremely jealous of what they own. And they own the spirit in Man/Woman. This spirit within, IF it chooses to approach the god without, consciously, willingly, blazes more strongly within the mechanistic mortal being, until such moment when this two-form being is similar to a divine being itself - that is, deathless, ageless, and in many other ways somewhat beyond simple understanding.
The sanskrit scholars, wrote that by repeating certain sound-seeds (mantra) a person would harmonize within themselves, to the characteristics of the particular god that oversaw that sound vibration, and after many repetitions of that sound, would ACTUALLY SEE THE GOD IN QUESTION.
As humans we are certainly younger than the gods, although, there is a part of us that is of the same age. And so it follows that there is an inner sense which tells us that what we most desire is something much older, much wiser, much more powerful and all covering than anything we ourselves for the greater part can generate out of our own experience and intellect.
And so, I will tell you that I have encountered the objects of human innermost desire on a few occasions... I will relate to you that on one such occasions, a girl of no more than 23 arrived into a place where there was a good deal of security and everyone there assumed they knew this person and what they were doing there and so on... I knew, because of being 'awake' let's say, that what was going on was simply impossible, and that all the workers here were completely 'deluded' or fooled or somehow being mind-deceived. At every step, during every moment, now that I am an 'older' person, I knew I should have been shocked or excited but at every moment instead, I was feeling curious and trying to suppress the thrill. This person was going by a name that very clearly in ancient Greek means 'princess daughter of the father' and not a single person overtly seemed to sense what was transpiring.
Now I tell you this because I will affirm to you that love, to the gods, is much more like lust and a very strong force that is both highly erotic and at the same time not as furtive or negative as humans in the ordinary open social context make it out to be - whilst they themselves behave quite differently behind closed doors and in private.
...I have had this experience on more than just a few times throughout my life, and according to my parents, they had similar things happen to them although my father rarely spoken about it because he liked to be 'very down to earth' - as I myself am too within the context of say the work environment and society that I normally inhabit.
But underlying it, my life is not like that, not completely 'normal.'
Whenever you have a sexual experience or relationship with another 'ordinary' human being, you will notice they are quite disconnected from the deepest levels of forces like love and lust and superconscious 'being.' At the same time though, when you have a consciousness that there are (very) intelligent forces and beings beyond the superficial physical human realm, you will accept that it is okay that people are a bit like dumbed-down if slightly intelligent puppets. It's like they are all on some difficult scholastic journey, and only very dimly aware of the propositions of their own lives and the meanings entailed and the things they are required to comprehend.
This journey seems to need to take years and years - hundreds, even thousands of years.
I was raised in a very wealthy household with lots of mainly Tamilian maids and service people who culturally acquainted me with gods and goddesses they followed. As a result, I from an early age was acquainted with the idea that there is a sex goddess and a wisdom goddess who are not significantly as different in that the Tamils hold that sex is a pure and a good force throughout the Universe.
I am not so acquainted with this sex goddess personality except only very vaguely, but I am personally acquainted with the one that is associated with wisdom. At an early age out of silliness I started to chant this particular mantra and after not very long at all, I started to have these experiences such as what I have been describing above. I cannot determine WHEN someone will appear, I cannot insist that they do, but they do, and completely in the midst of other people who appear utterly oblivious to the nature of the person there. Dogs, cats, small children, and horses however, I have observed, are very clear in what THEY believe they are seeing.
As time has unfolded, the extent to which I have observed people are just unknowing puppets on the whole, is staggering to me but not anything that I can alter. Nor have I tried nor have I ever really spoke too much about this type of thing.
I have been to private sex parties all over the world - Sydney, South Africa, London, Austria, Germany, Russia - god all over the place. Some of my 'normal' friends have asked me how do I get to these places. I have never said. But I get led there. By other 'friends.'
I don't think I'm going to get into particular trouble saying this, but there is a well-known what's called 'public thinker' Bernard Henri-Levy, who I have been in company with at a certain function although let's say, not necessarily a 'sex' one. He says he is an atheist. Which is very funny to me because the person he spent a lot of time dancing with and talking animatedly with for literally hours was the young individual who took me into this 'private' function and who I regard as only pretending and very badly so, to be human.
Now I don't know if the gods must die and that they are not supremely powerful and must yield before all science and the New York Times and therefore one must be 'atheist' - but if you want to get properly laid, worship the gods of wisdom and erotic love and you will be led to where there are others who will make you feel less alone than as a mere mortal human being, you inevitably are and must forever be.
For Love is of the Divine and not of this world at all. And it is far far, very far from lacking in the highest plangency of erotic sex the way people seem to think that it is. Indeed, the Divine IS Sex, not earth-bound falsely idealistic 'love.'
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Go straight for the sex, Mike. Believe it or not I think the metaphysics in the background DOES help with being all the more sexual - as far as stories go, as long as you try to superficially stick to the sex. Somehow it works that way round, not the other way round. In my own experience, at least...
For example, try and write a story assuming the NO ONE ELSE AT ALL is going to read it - write it just for yourself giving total free reign to whatever YOU want to think about in it, and then slowly as you read it back to yourself after awhile you will be able to form it into something that is likely to be accessible to a lot of people.
For example, try and write a story assuming the NO ONE ELSE AT ALL is going to read it - write it just for yourself giving total free reign to whatever YOU want to think about in it, and then slowly as you read it back to yourself after awhile you will be able to form it into something that is likely to be accessible to a lot of people.
