The Last Thing You Thought...

[Britwitch]

*nods*

I think it seems the same to me whenever there are children involved. Anything that hurts a child, harms a child, is NOT understandable. Whether it's a random act of violence or a parent shaking their two month old into brain death.

*sighs*

So for me it all falls under the "This is fucking wrong." flag, you understand? Not that it is more wrong or less wrong...it is ALL wrong. The whole way across the board, on every friggin' level.

I think that's why it upsets me when people say "OH this is awful..." It's ALL awful.
This thing is NOT more awful than the other...judging by scale or sheer brutatlity, it's still the same~ ie innocents being hurt/killed because an adult is a fucking wanker.

This is precisely the conversation happening around me right now. Sadly, we like many families have been touched by such things - and yes, we're across the ocean in a land where owning firearms isn't a 'right'. So it's probably no great shock that it wasn't guns that stole the youngsters from us, does that make it less wrong? Less tragic? Less horrific?

No.

What's happened today is horrendous and infuriating and a whole host of other things. But these aren't the only children that will have died today, needlessly. Sad but true.

I know I probably shouldn't wade into the gun debate, but I don't see how changing rules and paperwork is really going to change things overly much.
Nutcases will still rampage, be it with bombs or knives or goodness knows what else.

shrugs

Today is a sad day. But for lots of people who won't make it on the news it won't be as sad as tomorrow...

 

[DarkWarrioress]

Which was my initial POINT.

People hurt kids every day.

Kids are easy to hurt.

Shooting is neither more or less heinous (In my personal opinion) than the parent, baby sitter, child care provider who abuses, molests and neglects a child or causes said child's death. THAT was my point.

I believe the latter is worse, personally. You have children who trust so openly. We, a general we, teach children to look to adults for guidance and that makes it far too easy to harm a child and when you tie in how trusting children are as a general rule. The child that lives through all those things you mentioned Luna, deals with it all their lives. It never goes away. It can and often becomes their private prison.

The random acts of graphic violence is what our news media latches onto. It's sensational, yes?

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

*nods*

I think it seems the same to me whenever there are children involved. Anything that hurts a child, harms a child, is NOT understandable. Whether it's a random act of violence or a parent shaking their two month old into brain death.

*sighs*

So for me it all falls under the "This is fucking wrong." flag, you understand? Not that it is more wrong or less wrong...it is ALL wrong. The whole way across the board, on every friggin' level.

I think that's why it upsets me when people say "OH this is awful..." It's ALL awful.
This thing is NOT more awful than the other...judging by scale or sheer brutatlity, it's still the same~ ie innocents being hurt/killed because an adult is a fucking wanker.

Well.. part of it is simply what gets our attention. Really, the gun debate is no different. It flares up every time something like this happens, but it virtually never does when some drug dealer in Compton shoots another drug dealer from Compton.

We simply can't give our attention to every tragic thing that happens everywhere, or all our lives would come screeching to a halt. So, it's just a fact of life that big events like this one are going to grab our attention, more so than a little girl in Milwaukee being molested ever will. It doesn't make one more or less tragic than the other, it just means one is naturally going to get our attention over the other.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

This is precisely the conversation happening around me right now. Sadly, we like many families have been touched by such things - and yes, we're across the ocean in a land where owning firearms isn't a 'right'. So it's probably no great shock that it wasn't guns that stole the youngsters from us, does that make it less wrong? Less tragic? Less horrific?

No.

What's happened today is horrendous and infuriating and a whole host of other things. But these aren't the only children that will have died today, needlessly. Sad but true.

I know I probably shouldn't wade into the gun debate, but I don't see how changing rules and paperwork is really going to change things overly much.
Nutcases will still rampage, be it with bombs or knives or goodness knows what else.

shrugs

Today is a sad day. But for lots of people who won't make it on the news it won't be as sad as tomorrow...

*nods*

I think that is what I am trying to say, only you said it better.

So I will just quote you repeatedly.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

I know I probably shouldn't wade into the gun debate, but I don't see how changing rules and paperwork is really going to change things overly much.
Nutcases will still rampage, be it with bombs or knives or goodness knows what else.

I mentioned this earlier, but I know things get lost in the shuffle. There was actually a knife attack at a school in China today. 22 kids hurt, but none dead.

I think the biggest thing is how efficient of a killer a gun can make someone. You either have to throw a knife, and then you have no more knife, or you have to get up close. If three people run in three different directions, it's going to be very hard for you to get all of them with a knife. With a gun, you barely have to move your feet to do it.

Crazy things are always going to be done by crazy people, no doubt. It's just the level of mayhem they produce that we can be looking to reduce.

 

[palemoon2035]

I just want to say I love to see that you all have brains. You show respect for eachother, even if you don't agree with one another. It is nice to see people use their words to share, rather than accuse or hurt.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

I believe the latter is worse, personally. You have children who trust so openly. We, a general we, teach children to look to adults for guidance and that makes it far too easy to harm a child and when you tie in how trusting children are as a general rule. The child that lives through all those things you mentioned Luna, deals with it all their lives. It never goes away. It can and often becomes their private prison.

The random acts of graphic violence is what our news media latches onto. It's sensational, yes?

Very much so. And I have been the girl who has lived through a goodly portion of it so I KNOW the damage abuse and molestation will do to a child. I KNOW. It's WHY it's wrong to me on every level.

Always wrong.

Well.. part of it is simply what gets our attention. Really, the gun debate is no different. It flares up every time something like this happens, but it virtually never does when some drug dealer in Compton shoots another drug dealer from Compton.

We simply can't give our attention to every tragic thing that happens everywhere, or all our lives would come screeching to a halt. So, it's just a fact of life that big events like this one are going to grab our attention, more so than a little girl in Milwaukee being molested ever will. It doesn't make one more or less tragic than the other, it just means one is naturally going to get our attention over the other.

And to me that is what makes us WEAK as a nation and as a society. It isn't just his problem or her problem. It's not just their problem. It is OUR problem. We as a society do NOT value our children. Parents value their kidlets, but society as a whole does not place very much value upon the person who can not earn their own living and THAT includes children.

Nothing I have seen in my 40 years of life makes me think that this is ever going to change.

Why would it? We are the society that, for the most part, refuses to be responsible for anyone else's shit but our own. And while that may work for the time being? It doesn't encourage nor build a better next generation. We can teach our children to love and respect their own bodies and selves when everything they see, hear, KNOW...tells them that they as a portion of our society do NOT matter.

*shrugs*

Anyway, I am obviously going off on a tangent and that is because the whole of it is personal to me.

I take kids in my home all the time whose families don';t take proper care of them. I protect abused children. I go to bat for them.

SO yes, it all pisses me off and I get sick of hearing the fifty million justifications as to why one is so much worse than the other. And why we should stay out of other people's business and child rearing strategies.

BULLSHIT. All of it.

 

[Britwitch]

I mentioned this earlier, but I know things get lost in the shuffle. There was actually a knife attack at a school in China today. 22 kids hurt, but none dead.

I think the biggest thing is how efficient of a killer a gun can make someone. You either have to throw a knife, and then you have no more knife, or you have to get up close. If three people run in three different directions, it's going to be very hard for you to get all of them with a knife. With a gun, you barely have to move your feet to do it.

Crazy things are always going to be done by crazy people, no doubt. It's just the level of mayhem they produce that we can be looking to reduce.

I spotted that after I posted

I won't argue guns are among the deadliest of weapons in these kinds of situations and anything that can be done to try and minimise how many are in the hands of the public is a good thing. I just don't think it'll really make that much difference.

Crazy by definition isn't really affected by the rules now is it?

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

I mentioned this earlier, but I know things get lost in the shuffle. There was actually a knife attack at a school in China today. 22 kids hurt, but none dead.

I think the biggest thing is how efficient of a killer a gun can make someone. You either have to throw a knife, and then you have no more knife, or you have to get up close. If three people run in three different directions, it's going to be very hard for you to get all of them with a knife. With a gun, you barely have to move your feet to do it.

Crazy things are always going to be done by crazy people, no doubt. It's just the level of mayhem they produce that we can be looking to reduce.

Truth.

I spotted that after I posted

I won't argue guns are among the deadliest of weapons in these kinds of situations and anything that can be done to try and minimise how many are in the hands of the public is a good thing. I just don't think it'll really make that much difference.

Crazy by definition isn't really affected by the rules now is it?

More Truth.

 

[AmbrosiaCaress]

This is precisely the conversation happening around me right now. Sadly, we like many families have been touched by such things - and yes, we're across the ocean in a land where owning firearms isn't a 'right'. So it's probably no great shock that it wasn't guns that stole the youngsters from us, does that make it less wrong? Less tragic? Less horrific?

No.

What's happened today is horrendous and infuriating and a whole host of other things. But these aren't the only children that will have died today, needlessly. Sad but true.

I know I probably shouldn't wade into the gun debate, but I don't see how changing rules and paperwork is really going to change things overly much.
Nutcases will still rampage, be it with bombs or knives or goodness knows what else.

shrugs

Today is a sad day. But for lots of people who won't make it on the news it won't be as sad as tomorrow...

I think, at least from my point of view, that makes today's incident so horrific, and what makes it touch so many nerves is...

yes, these are not the only kids to die today...

but there is the chance they are the only innocent kids to be shot to death by someone they did not know, in such a high number, in a place that is inherently supposed to be safe... the only innocent lives that this man decided to take, the only innocent kids who were sent to school, by their parents, something they do nearly every day... only to be gunned down in the classroom in a senseless act of violence...

Any act of violence is essentially senseless... especially when against a child... This just seems so much more so by the sheer randomness, and the sheer brutality, and the sheer numbers....

And for the same reasons, it does bring forth emotions in people that may not react as strongly to the story of the mother or father killing their own child....

Just my thoughts on all this....

 

[Light Ice]

I think the dramatically lower rates other countries enjoy in firearm-related murders and suicides would suggest there's a difference that -can- be made by regulating firearms more closely and more intelligently.

People need to be accountable for themselves. I believe that, entirely, but at the same time we shouldn't use apathy or ignorance as an excuse to avoid improving a system that clearly has shown that room exists for it to be improved.

 

[AmbrosiaCaress]

And... I agree with Moon..... It is nice to see such intelligent conversation on something so shocking as these deaths and so important as gun control....

 

[Britwitch]

I just want to say I love to see that you all have brains. You show respect for eachother, even if you don't agree with one another. It is nice to see people use their words to share, rather than accuse or hurt.

I think this is why we react so strongly when these random two line posters show up with their ridiculous, reactionary comments that are usually just poorly concealed barbs at other posters. Written without real thought or effort.

I guess we like using our words too much

 

[AmbrosiaCaress]

I think this is why we react so strongly when these random two line posters show up with their ridiculous, reactionary comments that are usually just poorly concealed barbs at other posters. Written without real thought or effort.

I guess we like using our words too much

We are all writers, that's for sure... and we all write well....

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

I think this is why we react so strongly when these random two line posters show up with their ridiculous, reactionary comments that are usually just poorly concealed barbs at other posters. Written without real thought or effort.

I guess we like using our words too much

I am not much for words, honestly.

I much prefer to DO instead of say.

To Show instead of tell.

And some random poster saying whatever bugs me not at all.

Their opinion is just as much their right as my own...I can just ignore it if i don't like it...

*shrugs* and usually, I do.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

I think the dramatically lower rates other countries enjoy in firearm-related murders and suicides would suggest there's a difference that -can- be made by regulating firearms more closely and more intelligently.

People need to be accountable for themselves. I believe that, entirely, but at the same time we shouldn't use apathy or ignorance as an excuse to avoid improving a system that clearly has shown that room exists for it to be improved.

Yeah, I agree.

 

[Light Ice]

I have a huge cock. Just sayin'.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

I have a huge cock. Just sayin'.

You own a rooster???

 

[Light Ice]

You own a rooster???

Not your most clever retort.

 

[Britwitch]

I am not much for words, honestly.

I much prefer to DO instead of say.

To Show instead of tell.

And some random poster saying whatever bugs me not at all.

Their opinion is just as much their right as my own...I can just ignore it if i don't like it...

*shrugs* and usually, I do.

I couldn't agree more but in this medium though, we do kinda need the words...

hugs

 

[BeautifulDream]

Some people are just heartless bastards who think killing is the answer.

Sadly, I feel it's going to get worse within the next week because the whole "world ending" what not.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Not your most clever retort.

I don't find that word very useful except in reference to roosters. So wasn't aiming for clever.

Nothing turns me off worse than hearing...

*suck my big cock*

or

*you like my cock*

or any other of the fifty trillion permutations thereof.

MY opinion, YMMV.

I couldn't agree more but in this medium though, we do kinda need the words...

hugs

*smiles and cuddles*

True.

But luckily for us all, LI has a nice penis.

 

[Britwitch]

I have a huge cock. Just sayin'.

...and it's back to our regularly scheduled programming...

sneaks a peek, just to check if it's true

 

[Light Ice]

I don't remember your aversion to the word "cock" from our sessions, Luna.

But let's all talk about my cock more. Carry on.

 

[Light Ice]

...and it's back to our regularly scheduled programming...

sneaks a peek, just to check if it's true

You really are the hands-on type.