God

[richard_daily]

I am telling you there is archeological evidence for the bible. The historical significance is greatly reported even if you choose not to believe that there is a diety. Jesus walked this earth!!!!

But yes, there is a faith component, no doubt about that.

Hey, You never did say what fun things you were doing? Got time for a cup of coffee? I must go now. The clan wants breakfast and I have the capabilities to provide it. I am just not saying how good it will be. Have a good day all

You are telling me?

Then in turn, I am telling you that the planet kobul is the birthplace of humanity... prove me wrong.


I've got a couple of dates today. One with a very sexy older librarian, the other with a single mom. I need to head out to get ready. Maybe I'll introduce them to each other?



Have a good one as well.

 

[Rawr_Tiger]

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[Tryharder62]

The way that you are taught to "share" your faith, is propaganda. You learned it from a very early age, I'd assume.

Missionaries are taught this even more thoroughly, how to "relate" to people, and then give them the ultimate answer, which is of course, your god.

I don't believe that we have all the answers, and that we won't during our lifetimes. It will be many generations before we have an adequate view of the universe and what created it.

I don't subscribe to the simple answer, but I don't believe that a god that resembles the one that is presented in the bible exists.

Saw this before I left. So you believe in reincarnation? Or that it may not be until our kids, kids, live that they will see the truth? Sincerly interested.

 

[richard_daily]

Saw this before I left. So you believe in reincarnation? Or that it may not be until our kids, kids, live that they will see the truth? Sincerly interested.

The latter.

 

[Gusty Wind]

Since living is believing, no one can be completely lacking in faith.

 

[KyleW]

Since living is believing, no one can be completely lacking in faith.

That's just ridiculous nonsense. But good to see you're still alive and kicking on the forums Gusty.

 

[Tryharder62]

I don't need to come up with evidence that there is no god, any more than I can ask you to disprove vishnu, krishna, the planet kobul, or any other religious "fact".

The burden of proof is on you, not on me. You're the one claiming that your god exists.

Oh boy! Are you related to Dixie Carter Lee and Kyle???

 

[Tryharder62]

The latter.

I can see where you are coming with that. It is assumed that I am against science but I am not. I don't believe they have gotten the answer yet. I too think there are things we don't know yet. Very interesting!

 

[Exquisition]

I would imagine many on here would not agree with your view of me as moderate...lol.

There are always extremes....in anything in this life. Religion is no different. The examples you give of the preacher who burned the koran, I think he was just mad at the pass that muslims seemed to be given in the US. I don't agree with what he wanted to do, just as I do not agree with the Muslims that hate the US. I also don't agree with the church group that protests funerals and such. All of these are very far from who God is and what He wants us to do...in my opinion.

There are so many examples of people using their "faith" to really just use their own personal selfishness to do what they want. To be a follower of Christ requires giving up our own desires and wants. Perhaps that is the rub with being a Christian....people do not want to do that, and that is understandable. It is not easy, and, personally, I fail everyday.....but I keep trying.

In the end, each has their own life to live and make their own decisions. I trust God and live my life accordingly.

All hot air and hog wash tbh.

You know, I was expecting (maybe hoping?). since presumably you do have some intelligence, something like:

"If a pastor was to persecute the findings of another Faith I would be first in line to denounce him. To defend the rights of others to believe etc. etc.."

Something like that.

But no, it's all the happy clappy BS and selfish ego agrandisement with you every time. It's frankly soul destroying to read your responses (again, someone who seems to possess some intelligence).

After 7/7 (the London Tube bombings) the one thing that rang out like a bell was the SILENCE of the moderates.

It was deafening.

Where were the reasonable, moderate Muslims denouncing this extremism after the bombs? Nowhere for months is the answer (and only then after they realised how hot temperatures were running at).

If a moderate remains silent in the face of extremism they are no better, in fact, even more dangerous IMO.

 

[Exquisition]

It is interesting that the exact response has been given before, by unbelievers, only to have them say the exact opposite once they became believers.

It truly does not matter what any Christian says to you at this point. You do not want to believe...no matter what.

There is not one non-believer who believed any of this until God allowed him to be capable of the understanding which truly defies all earthly reason. It just will not happen.

We can discuss points all day long here....but it truly is about faith. Non-believers do not have that.

There is only actually one verifiable reference to Jesus's existence from contemporaneous sources.

The writings of Josephus (who did not attribute the word "MEssiah" but prophet to Jesus.

 

[KyleW]

Oh boy! Are you related to Dixie Carter Lee and Kyle???

We're all related! The flying spaghetti monster laid eggs back in year 0 and our ancestors were born.

This is what I believe, so it must be true.

 

[Exquisition]

I too think there are things we don't know yet. Very interesting!

Yup, like the true meaning of a lot of superstitious texts that formed part of a propaganda document that Constantine ran through the washer before declaring himself (and hence his subjects in a crumbling empire) "Christian."

You do realise that this was the desperate act of an emperor trying anything to shore up crumbling borders?

Jesus was married to MAry Magdalene
Jesus Rose again then died - allegorical for the founding of his doctrine
Nearly all references (which are scant) to Jesus have been subsequently found to be false. No reference to Jesus ever refers to him as "Messiah". At best he was a prophet/teacher.

Prove otherwise.

 

[KyleW]

Which 10 commandments do you believe in?

 

[cjh]

Which 10 commandments do you believe in?

I have never coveted my neighbor's ass.

I can live with that one.

 

[Exquisition]

I have never coveted my neighbor's ass.

I can live with that one.

omg that really is funny.

 

[Tryharder62]

We're all related! The flying spaghetti monster laid eggs back in year 0 and our ancestors were born.

This is what I believe, so it must be true.

If it makes you happy - you don't have to explain it to me! It just doesn't hold the same ring this time of year for me, though.


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[Tryharder62]

Which 10 commandments do you believe in?

You talking to me?

 

[Exquisition]

omg that really is funny.

Just suppose that instead of "Thoult shalt not commit adultery." That particular commandment had been mistranslated and misinterpreted and it really was:

"thalt shalt not commit idolatry."

Just a thought, It;s happened countless times in the Bible already.

We could have people obeying a false commandment in complete ignorant bliss whne they could be happily swinging and polygamous.

Interpretation and meaning.....

 

[Tryharder62]

Yup, like the true meaning of a lot of superstitious texts that formed part of a propaganda document that Constantine ran through the washer before declaring himself (and hence his subjects in a crumbling empire) "Christian."

You do realise that this was the desperate act of an emperor trying anything to shore up crumbling borders?

Jesus was married to MAry Magdalene
Jesus Rose again then died - allegorical for the founding of his doctrine
Nearly all references (which are scant) to Jesus have been subsequently found to be false. No reference to Jesus ever refers to him as "Messiah". At best he was a prophet/teacher.

Prove otherwise.

No, my understanding of the way you want this game to be played is that you are claiming this as fact. I don't have to do anything.

 

[julybaby04]

All hot air and hog wash tbh.

You know, I was expecting (maybe hoping?). since presumably you do have some intelligence, something like:

"If a pastor was to persecute the findings of another Faith I would be first in line to denounce him. To defend the rights of others to believe etc. etc.."

Something like that.

But no, it's all the happy clappy BS and selfish ego agrandisement with you every time. It's frankly soul destroying to read your responses (again, someone who seems to possess some intelligence).

After 7/7 (the London Tube bombings) the one thing that rang out like a bell was the SILENCE of the moderates.

It was deafening.

Where were the reasonable, moderate Muslims denouncing this extremism after the bombs? Nowhere for months is the answer (and only then after they realised how hot temperatures were running at).

If a moderate remains silent in the face of extremism they are no better, in fact, even more dangerous IMO.

I am not sure what you are wanting here......

Are you asking that I speak out against the people who do very dumb things in God's name......or just asking me to speak out against anyone who is a Christian?

There is NEVER any reason to do anything extreme, to break laws that hurt people, to hurt/murder anyone in the name of God.

I guess I am not sure what you are asking.

 

[richard_daily]

I can see where you are coming with that. It is assumed that I am against science but I am not. I don't believe they have gotten the answer yet. I too think there are things we don't know yet. Very interesting!

Then you're in conflict, because the bible states that it was all created in 7 days...

 

[richard_daily]

Oh boy! Are you related to Dixie Carter Lee and Kyle???

we are all god's children, so yes, we are related.

 

[Tryharder62]

Then you're in conflict, because the bible states that it was all created in 7 days...

No, I just believe that science isn't all that it's cracked up to be yet. I personally believe that if Jesus doensn't come back yet, and it is something he desires, we will learn more and more of his truth. It will not contradict.

 

[Exquisition]

No, my understanding of the way you want this game to be played is that you are claiming this as fact. I don't have to do anything.

It's more factually correct than "It just is cos Jesus tells us so."

Systems that have to be 'made to fit', systems that do not stand the test of time are fatally flawed in every walk of life except blind faith. In other walks of life such systems are rapidly superseded or die out altogether.

With blind Faith, it doesn't even matter when scientific evidence blows holes in the accepted, because blind Faith conquers all.

Consider, you're given incontravertible proof the Bible you study and live by is inaccurate, mistranslated and misinterpreted until the original meaning is lost in a haze of smoke and mirrors.

A shepherd digs up a Bible in the Middle East. This Bible contains all the books (those that made it into the current version and those that didn't).

The parchments are carbon dated accurately and found to be written within living memory of Jesus's existence.

The writing is unadulterated, pure, not privy to the agendas of St Paul (subjugation of women) and Constantine and his cronies (political, empire maintenance).

Let's say you have the most perfect representation of all the books in the Bible, preserved for posterity

BUT

Much of what is written in those original books and parchments blows the modern version of the Bible out of the water. What does the Chruch do?

Why discredit of course! Throw lots of smear at the scientific evidence! Get a scholar or two to come up with counter measures!

IF Jesus existed, he was a man, not the Son of God. The Son of God bit was retro edited to bring order to the chaos of the early Christian Faith. It needed a miracle to justify its means, to propogate successfully.
Jesus was not born again
Jesus was married
The miracle of the wedding at Canaa was actually referring to Jesus' own wedding to Mary.

OMG! Blasphemy.

It calls the whole foundation of my belief system into question!

This can't be right.

SO

We discredit. We explain away those inconvenient truths. We postularise. We theoretise. We cast doubt and aspersion on the carbon dating. We cast doubt and aspersion on those particular scientific treatises that question our Faith.

AND

Slowly. We regain confidence. We recover. We smile and say "out Faith was tested but we are fine now. We see. No big deal....."

Yawn!

Sound familiar yet?

Try the Turin Shroud. A relic the Catholic Church based some of their certainty for Christianity on. For 'Christ's' existence, if you will.

Carbon dating. Forensic testing says : Nah it's a 13th/14th cetury fake.

All of a sudden carbon testing is called into question. The soothsayers try to convince us that the testing procedures weren;t rigorous enough....

And so we have a relic that in any other field of scientific endeavour would be dismissed happily as a hoax STILL playing an active role in the Catholic Faith - oh but now the Vatican doesn't allow it to be scrutinised too closely any more.

Do you see the problem?

No? Well, there's always blind Faith. It conquers all. Even scientific endeavour that believers are happy to accept in other walks of life.

 

[Tryharder62]

we are all god's children, so yes, we are related.

The problem is that I am having feelings for you I really shouldn't be having if we're related! So in my mind I'll pretend to be adopted.