A sign of the times

[mikey2much]

I posted a story today and in the posting I had to fill in the tags that might tip off readers to what the story contained. My story was about questioning a man to find out information to save a girl who could be dying. I wasn't allowed to use the word torture. On an adult site centered on providing entertainment for adults, I was not allowed to use the word torture.

The cops do it, the military does it, but we can't use the word on an adult site.

I love Literotica and I have enjoyed talking to folks here for years as well as posting a few of my writing efforts. But with the bans on underage thoughts of sex and the over-riding PC that has infected the site. I fear what this once free site is going to become.

Is there some middle ground that the site could find to allow us to enjoy uncensored conversation with one another. There is torture in my story, there is torture in the real world. Why can't we say it here? I used the tag word interrogation instead of torture and it went through.

I used to enjoy posting a new story and now I dread it because I've had so many rejected over this sort of thing. BTW I have never wrote a story that had underage sex. But I have to hide any thoughts that my characters might have had before they were eighteen. Now I have to come up with other words to describe what is going on to slip my fuck stories past the self censors here on this site.

I know that the same old posse will come riding in to this thread to put me in my place. They are always watching and quick to jump. And they will all throw the same rock. It is their site and they can do what they want to. Sadly they seem to want to cover their own ass and go along with the government and follow the PC line as ordered.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, there's a whole lot that you can write in the mainstream that you can't on a Web site like this. It's not totally the Web site that's driving. It's more that putting them here would attract too many of two types of "hunters" that the Web site owners don't want to try to deal with and that many of the regular posters of stories here don't want to rub shoulders with: the really creepy sexual deviants and the Carrie Nation morality police (the latter including sexual predator research groups scanning everyone here to find and then monitor--and perhaps eventually pursue--the former).

And the Web site is selective in what creeps it out (which is its right). It's invited in both elements by being one of the few Web sites that accepts incest (especially in combination with BDSM).

 

[SevenSquared]

I think you may be over-dramatising a little bit. I imagine there is a short list of words that they decided not to allow to be used as search criteria/tag words, relating to subject matter that they felt was 'over the line'. Unfortunately this means that some stories that are within the rules, that would legitimately use these tag words, identically get caught in the splash damage. It's unfortunate, but hardly the mass conspiracy you're making it out to be.

 

[lovecraft68]

The site is free speech, but they decide the speech. It's their business so we can deal with it or go elsewhere.

Storiesonline really has nowhere near the limits here, but is still a pretty respectable site.

They're tough on underage because either one or both owners have strong personal feelings about it or they are afraid of drawing the feds who follow the peds.

Too bad they didn't uphold their make believe rule against actual rape. Because they have to be fools to think the feds don't follow the reading habits of sex offenders of every kind, including rapists, especially serial rapists.

Regardless its their house and they really seem to have no interest in hearing anyone's suggestions about any type of change whatsoever.

Hell people have been lobbying for a bi-sexual category forever now and its gotten them no where. Never mind the lobbying for changes in the contest rules especially the monthlies.

In the meantime they make changes no one has asked for therefore proving this iste is pretty much take it for what it is or simply leave it, your opinions otherwise will evntually just lead to flaming.

 

[mikey2much]

I am in agreement with all that has been said

I understand the why's on the child sex. But they paint all the stories with a broad brush. I have had a couple of stories that had no underage sex, but had a character remembering his father's disappointment in him because he couldn't live up to his expectations on the ball field or in life.

I posted it at SOL and it is one of my most popular stories there. It didn't have underage sex in it here or there but it could only be posted there.

 

[sr71plt]

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[sr71plt]

I understand the why's on the child sex. But they paint all the stories with a broad brush. I have had a couple of stories that had no underage sex, but had a character remembering his father's disappointment in him because he couldn't live up to his expectations on the ball field or in life.

I posted it at SOL and it is one of my most popular stories there. It didn't have underage sex in it here or there but it could only be posted there.

Was it actually rejected here or did you just assume it would be? And if actually rejected, did you refile with a discussion of the issue in the notes field? That initial scrutiny of a story has to be a quick and dirty because of the volume that has to be processed. I've had stories rejected, but every one of them was cleared without any changes (except one where I had included URLs--which were fake URLs, but that didn't matter) after I asked Laurel to take another look at them.

 

[lovecraft68]

I understand the why's on the child sex. But they paint all the stories with a broad brush. I have had a couple of stories that had no underage sex, but had a character remembering his father's disappointment in him because he couldn't live up to his expectations on the ball field or in life.

I posted it at SOL and it is one of my most popular stories there. It didn't have underage sex in it here or there but it could only be posted there.

The additional problem here is one person looking at all of the stories. Laurel obviously does not have the time to look through them in any more than a quick skim.

So anything she sees anything that remotely seems like someone under 18 is even thinking about thinking about sex she kicks it to the side rather thna take the time to see if its truly underage or not.

Same with rape. In order to know whether its rape or some rough sex that eventually is consensual she would have to really look at the story.

So she states no under age and no rape in hopes people will follow the rules.

When it comes to screening, anything vaguely resembling underage never gets the benefit of the doubt. its gone.

Rape on the other hand is no problem to her because apparently she feels the feds will never come calling for it.

She's sadly mistaken. And lets not get into some of the poorly masked bestiality stories floating around on this site.

I think they set a bunch of rules around the underage rule to make it look like they don't just target one thing, when in reality they only target one thing.

 

[sr71plt]

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[mikey2much]

I exchanged PM's with her

No I tried to reason but was told that the kid beating off by himself was underage sex.

I think that there should be an older person involved for it to be underage sex. but that is not the case. A story where a young man is trying to find his place in a sexual world by himself in his own bedroom is underage sex and can't be posted.

This is a pet peeve of mine and I guess that I make more of it than I should but I just think it really limits what we can say about how our characters became who they are in our stories.

I feel that this is the best site to post to. I just find more of my stories don't fit here and it saddens me.

 

[sr71plt]

No I tried to reason but was told that the kid beating off by himself was underage sex.

I think that there should be an older person involved for it to be underage sex. but that is not the case. A story where a young man is trying to find his place in a sexual world by himself in his own bedroom is underage sex and can't be posted.

This is a pet peeve of mine and I guess that I make more of it than I should but I just think it really limits what we can say about how our characters became who they are in our stories.

I feel that this is the best site to post to. I just find more of my stories don't fit here and it saddens me.

You've moved the goal posts. "but had a character remembering his father's disappointment in him because he couldn't live up to his expectations on the ball field or in life" isn't the same as an underage kid beating himself off in a story. Or were you thinking that masturbation wasn't sex?

 

[lovecraft68]

No I tried to reason but was told that the kid beating off by himself was underage sex.

I think that there should be an older person involved for it to be underage sex. but that is not the case. A story where a young man is trying to find his place in a sexual world by himself in his own bedroom is underage sex and can't be posted.

This is a pet peeve of mine and I guess that I make more of it than I should but I just think it really limits what we can say about how our characters became who they are in our stories.

I feel that this is the best site to post to. I just find more of my stories don't fit here and it saddens me.

I see your point and understand.

I had a story booted here before for saying "I was 16 and woke up from a nightmare" what then happens is his sister comes in (dressed and I described them both being dressed) comforts him and lies down next to him so he can sleep. No sex, no mention of sex. The scenes was to show what eventually would lead to him becoming interested in his sister down the line.

But rejected. In the lit world no character has drawn breath until they are 18. The mistake you're trying to make Mikey is that you are going for a story, you're trying to get people to know your characters and not see them as cut outs.

You're not writing stroke you're tryng to tell a story with some depth. THat is ill received here in the sense of there cannot be a childhood memory in these tales.

You are also dealing with people like Pilot who in another thread recently stated that anyone trying to tell a story and not just write porn is just a "wannabe"

Post your stuff on storiesonline, you'll find a better class of audience more supportive of a thoughtful story.

 

[sr71plt]

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[loquere]

I posted a story today and in the posting I had to fill in the tags that might tip off readers to what the story contained. My story was about questioning a man to find out information to save a girl who could be dying. I wasn't allowed to use the word torture. On an adult site centered on providing entertainment for adults, I was not allowed to use the word torture.

The cops do it, the military does it, but we can't use the word on an adult site.

I love Literotica and I have enjoyed talking to folks here for years as well as posting a few of my writing efforts. But with the bans on underage thoughts of sex and the over-riding PC that has infected the site. I fear what this once free site is going to become.

Is there some middle ground that the site could find to allow us to enjoy uncensored conversation with one another. There is torture in my story, there is torture in the real world. Why can't we say it here? I used the tag word interrogation instead of torture and it went through.

I used to enjoy posting a new story and now I dread it because I've had so many rejected over this sort of thing. BTW I have never wrote a story that had underage sex. But I have to hide any thoughts that my characters might have had before they were eighteen. Now I have to come up with other words to describe what is going on to slip my fuck stories past the self censors here on this site.

I know that the same old posse will come riding in to this thread to put me in my place. They are always watching and quick to jump. And they will all throw the same rock. It is their site and they can do what they want to. Sadly they seem to want to cover their own ass and go along with the government and follow the PC line as ordered.

Pedophelia Beastiality and a lot of sick shit exist in the real world. Bravo to Laurel and Manu for there commitment to respectinging humanity.

 

[mikey2much]

bravo indeed

Pedophelia Beastiality and a lot of sick shit exist in the real world. Bravo to Laurel and Manu for there commitment to respectinging humanity.

Your unabashed agreeing with whatever the site wants is noted, and you will get to stone a witch later if you are a good lad. Ann Frank would not have lasted long in your neighborhood would she?'

Lovecraft understands what has me going and Pilot should since he knows what kind of stories I like to write.

Pilot, you're right about the difference between just thinking about your life and thinking about your life with your dick in your hand, is a completely different situation, and I stand corrected.

I still think that there has to be an adult involved for underage sex to be wrong, otherwise it is just a normal part of growing up.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Your unabashed agreeing with whatever the site wants is noted, and you will get to stone a witch later if you are a good lad. Ann Frank would not have lasted long in your neighborhood would she?'

Lovecraft understands what has me going and Pilot should since he knows what kind of stories I like to write.

Pilot, you're right about the difference between just thinking about your life and thinking about your life with your dick in your hand, is a completely different situation, and I stand corrected.

I still think that there has to be an adult involved for underage sex to be wrong, otherwise it is just a normal part of growing up.

Any kind of sex involving an underage person is banned, and that includes masturbation. It also includes a boy under 18 going out window peeping or a girl under 18 taking a shower and being spied on by someone. Even married people cannot have sex together if one of them is under 18.

The tags are also quite rigid. If I write a story about a man having sex with the babysitter, who is over 18, I can't include "babysitter" as a tag.

 

[mikey2much]

I understand that Box

Any kind of sex involving an underage person is banned, and that includes masturbation. It also includes a boy under 18 going out window peeping or a girl under 18 taking a shower and being spied on by someone. Even married people cannot have sex together if one of them is under 18.

The tags are also quite rigid. If I write a story about a man having sex with the babysitter, who is over 18, I can't include "babysitter" as a tag.

But how do you feel about it? Are you happy to try and weave your stories around a bunch of rules that reduces your work down to stroke only?

 

[mikey2much]

My mistake Box

I just read your sig.

 

[Stella_Omega]

But how do you feel about it? Are you happy to try and weave your stories around a bunch of rules that reduces your work down to stroke only?

Dude, if you want to post here, you follow the rules here. If you want to post something that doesn't follow these rules, there are plenty of places for your stories to go.
with different rules.
You act like this is a) the ONLY game in town, which it is not, and
b) as if the owners owe you something, which they do not.

Neither, in fact do you owe them anything in particular.
Write what you want to write. Post it to the internet.

 

[lovecraft68]

As I just said to someone in a PM.

This site acts like it owes the authors nothing. Bullshit, the stories(certainly not the forums) are what bring people here.

In effect the authors as a group here make them money. They pay none of us anything except for the contests which are riged twards their fav authors and categories.

Does the site have to listen to anyone here? No, but is it such a sin for someone to complain about something?

Apparently it is.

And bottom line the real pisser is this hypocritical site does nothing to enforce their own rules because they are too cheap and too lazy to do it.

There are tons of underage stories around as well as rape and everything else they claim they don't want.

Want people to follow a rule? Consistently enforce it, not just when you feel like it. Its BS when a person gets hit with a rejection when a 100+ stories with that same material can easily be found.

Budding breasts. an author here has that expression in everyone one of his underage fucking stories. But he doesn't use and age so the hypocrites here are fine with it. You can't say 15, but say budding breasts and imply the girl is 12, no problem there

How about hiring someone to read the stories? Because I can;t wait until the feds pull that authors stories from his pc and see what site they're on.

Don't complain though, the herd gets upset with you.

 

[mikey2much]

Stella

I knew when I started this thread that I might get flamed. The sad part of that is that the flamers are flaming me because they like this site. The reason I started the thread is because I like this site.

I just think that this should keep being put forward by people until the people who run this site, that we all love, will wake up and see that they are over-reacting. I am sure that they have people looking over their shoulders and they have to be aware of that just as I am aware that the cops are everywhere and that they make their own budgets by taking my cars and trucks away from me if they catch me with anything on me.

We all take risk to do what we want. This site is such a treasure to us because we can all remember when something like this would have been so totally unacceptable. When the founders of this site put it up, I would be willing to bet that they had 'good people ' all telling them that they shouldn't do it.

I play by their rules, I don't try to pass anything off here. If they don't want to have any underage sex or any underage wondering about sex, I won't try to post it here. There is always SOL.

I agree with some of you, it is their site and they can do with it as they please. I will always be dropping in now and again and will post what they will take, because the readership here is the very best that I have found by far.

This thread was started over the word 'torture' not being allowed in the tag words. There is a national discussion taking place about torture. Is water boarding torture? Is it OK to torture a man if the information saves others from a bomb? It's OK to torture, as long as it's in some other country. Cuba, Eastern European nations as well as many of the fallen heads of state in the middle east.

The electrodes to the nipples can serve American intrest and be used to answer American questions but not in America. But not in America, in America you can't even use the word when you are looking for a fuck story. It just ain't allowed.

In my small way I support the site with my stories just as you all do with yours. That support is our 'buy in' in the game. While I won't try to slip something by their censors, I think I should be able to let them know what I think.

I think that Torture should be a usable word when describing a story. I think that each story should be carefully judged for underage sexual content and if there is no violations of current law, it should be allowed on the site. Any thing else is just being polically correct to a fault.

 

[PennLady]

And bottom line the real pisser is this hypocritical site does nothing to enforce their own rules because they are too cheap and too lazy to do it.

So if you don't like it don't post here. Simple, isn't it? Yet you continue to post -- and bitch.

And it doesn't matter what real life is vs. the rules. This is their site, their rules, deal with it. You know what? There are plenty of other sites with more stringent rules. EroticStories allows no underage, no incest and no violence. LushStories allows incest, but no underage and are really strict about violence. They rejected my story "Facing the Past" because of a physical confrontation between a woman and her brother. Not sexual, just the brother was abusive. Other sites took bit but not Lush.

You want fewer rules, go to StoriesOnline.net. Or perhaps ASSTR, but I've never been there and have no desire to, given what I've heard about it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I would guess-- just only guess, mind you-- that the reason "torture" is not allowed as a tag word is because this is an erotica site, and anyone searching for "torture" on an erotica site will most probably NOT be looking for for instance, a reasoned argument for or against, it, but looking for torture they can fap to.
If you use torture to tag your stories here, the inference is that the torture is meant to be erotic, and, in Laurel's mind (and again it's her site), torture is not erotic.

Not one single person has "flamed" you. A lot of people have discussed your opinion, and offered their own. Mostly, not quite agreeing with your assumptions that you've based your argument on in the first place.

It's frustrating, I know-- I have a long historical fantasy series that features a very young man who jumps into prostitution, gets used and abused, and then regains his autonomy and grows to a wiser (and still highly sexual) adult. It doesn't belong here, but that's the way it goes.

 

[sr71plt]

I knew when I started this thread that I might get flamed. The sad part of that is that the flamers are flaming me because they like this site. The reason I started the thread is because I like this site.

Flaming? I haven't seen anyone flaming you on this thread. I haven't seen anyone criticizing you at all for what you want to write. What I've seen is folks trying to explained (for the thousanth time) that this is a privately owned site with the full right to choose what is posted here and trying to help you see where the edges are--and suggestions on why those edges are here.

Or is it Lovecraft68 flaming you (rather than me, or in addition to me)? I have him on ignore so maybe he's flaming you and that's why you say there has been flaming(?)

 

[mikey2much]

Sounds a lot like 'love it or leave it'

So if you don't like it don't post here. Simple, isn't it? Yet you continue to post -- and bitch.

And it doesn't matter what real life is vs. the rules. This is their site, their rules, deal with it. You know what? There are plenty of other sites with more stringent rules. EroticStories allows no underage, no incest and no violence. LushStories allows incest, but no underage and are really strict about violence. They rejected my story "Facing the Past" because of a physical confrontation between a woman and her brother. Not sexual, just the brother was abusive. Other sites took bit but not Lush.

You want fewer rules, go to StoriesOnline.net. Or perhaps ASSTR, but I've never been there and have no desire to, given what I've heard about it.

You remember that old redneck bumper sticker. 'Love it or leave it' Take it like it is, or leave it along. That is a poor attitude, when I think something needs fixing I let people know.

The last time you heard that battle cry of 'love it, or leave it' was back in the sixties and the battle was about civil rights.

Penn Lady, you remember who flew the flag you're flying now don't you? Bet you never thought you would be on that side .