Women, how do you protect yourselves?

[BotanyBoy]

Ummmm.... every other post you tell us you were shot in the head. Were you unarmed at the time? Why are you such a pussy that you couldn't pull out your .22 from your ankle holster and defend yourself

No I was armed at the time....that is why I'm alive today.

Didn't have time for the .22 ankle....I was too busying frying an M240B, also destroyed 2 M4's and a M203 over the 3 days that whole incident occurred. And while I got my ass kicked I survived one of the bloodiest day's in my companies history, third only to the Siege of Bastogne and Hamburger Hill so I'll count that as a win. But I digress and you're deflecting from the issue in the thread.

Even the person with nothing more than basic safety and operation training has a better chance of reaching in their purse and squeezing a few into mr. rapist than they do at getting a 911 call off. Even if they get 911 dialed they will most certainly be forced to endure the rest of the attack up to and including death without ANY choice of recourse for at least 5 min, and that's a best case scenario.

Luckily for the girl who was lucky enough to get her hand in her purse and squeeze her G30 bad juju is dead with a half dozen rounds of .45 acp in his chest and he didn't even get his pecker out.

Armed and trained with decent chance of not being fucked > unarmed and 100% guarantee of being fucked.....I mean you can keep trying to argue for unarmed and fucked but you will just continue to look like a moron.

There is nothing wrong with going un armed, it's not for everyone. Even the overwhelming majority of Americans who do will never need or ever even draw their weapons, and even fewer will use it. But for those that do arm themselves...train train train, carry EVERY DAY and train some more, gun fighting is a "use it or lose it" skill you have to keep on top of. Take class's, shot scenario's not just still paper target's.....the more proficient of a gun fighter you are the bigger your advantage over EVERYONE. I strongly advocate joining IDPA/USPSA it's great training and a shit load of fun for all shooters in all class's k? Even local clubs...w/e just go shoot!!

 

[SalviaDivinorum]

Many of them are sources for a paper I wrote. I forgot that you have to be registered to read them- my school gives you the registration when you register for the class.

The ones for domestic violence are reports on how gender affects domestic violence, and how men are significantly less likely to report domestic violence then women, even though the actual rate is roughly the same. And also that the VAST majority of rape occurs within the paremators of a relationship.

Stranger rape is seriously, according to hundreds of studies less then .05% likely to happen. It's statistically insignificant. And focusing the beam of our 'rape avoidance' on that leads to the false assumption that that's how you're going to be raped. When it isn't. Rape victiums fall to their boyfriends, their husbands, their parents, their guardians. Many of them are children. Many of the girls get pregnant from it- most teenage pregnancies are the products of rape.

And I'm sorry that those things happen to you- but they happen to me as well. That's not limited to- or more likely to happen to- women. Women are more likely to report it.

But this culture of telling the victim that they should be preventing their own rape is a bad idea. It takes the focus away from real circumstances that lead to rapes, and it makes people think that they have the right to pass complete or partial blame on to the victim. We saw this on this very board in the teen pregnancy threads. Most teen mothers have adult baby daddies, but there were people on this very board who were saying that it was the kid's fault.

Hell, there are people in the mainstream media that say shit like that. http://mediamatters.org/research/2007/01/17/oreilly-abducted-child-liked-his-circumstances/137753

And the culture of fear leads to shit like that. And I just flat out don't find that acceptable. People are raped because of rapists. Most rapes are domestic or child abuse. This scenario that you folk are training for- it's less likely then winning the lottery or getting hit by lightning. And I think that focusing so much on it takes away from energy and resources that we could be using on actual rape victims.

It is pretty well documented that women are reluctant to report sexual violence too. I didn't report any of the ones I mentioned either because they felt so common that I just assumed that I would be seen as wasting police time. In retrospect, I should have reported the guy on the bus because of the aggression that he displayed.
As a point of interest, I have since learnt that the police (at least in the UK) want flashers to be reported because according to their statistics, a large number of rapist are, or started out as, flashers.

Domestic violence is a very important but different issue and it does not cancel out the concern about stranger violence.

 

[TheLM]

No, we are not all bickering about guns. Please read the whole thread before shooting off a retort.

I did read the whole thread. Arguing takedowns and concealment of firearms is completely turning a blind eye to the problem.

Girls get drunk and are then taken advantage of by a new or old bf, family member, mutual friend etc.

That is the picture of rape in developed countries, NOT dark alley assault.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I did read the whole thread. Arguing takedowns and concealment of firearms is completely turning a blind eye to the problem.

Girls get drunk and are then taken advantage of by a new or old bf, family member, mutual friend etc.

That is the picture of rape in developed countries, NOT dark alley assault.

Then start a thread about women being raped by those they know. The OP is about a woman raped and killed in just the kind of attack you are minimizing.

 

[CandiCame]

It is pretty well documented that women are reluctant to report sexual violence too. I didn't report any of the ones I mentioned either because they felt so common that I just assumed that I would be seen as wasting police time. In retrospect, I should have reported the guy on the bus because of the aggression that he displayed.
As a point of interest, I have since learnt that the police (at least in the UK) want flashers to be reported because according to their statistics, a large number of rapist are, or started out as, flashers.

Domestic violence is a very important but different issue and it does not cancel out the concern about stranger violence.

I would punched that guy, but that's just me. And that gets you kicked off the damn bus for a month. And they don't give you your $30 for that month's pass back. And they will tow your car if you park it on campus. And no one believes that that's why you punched the dude, because, "No, I know that guy- he's strait!" Or "I'm sure it was just an accident!" or "Aren't you that guy who gets in fights all the time? Shit man, learn to let shit go."

So you eventually just learn to 'let shit go'. Thanks, society. Except I don't usually learn lessons.

Do you know how fucking much a tow costs in Lex, btw? It wound up being like $300. That whole experience sucked.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I did read the whole thread. Arguing takedowns and concealment of firearms is completely turning a blind eye to the problem.

Girls get drunk and are then taken advantage of by a new or old bf, family member, mutual friend etc.

That is the picture of rape in developed countries, NOT dark alley assault.

^^ overwhelmingly true...and sometimes the girl does get drunk and makes a bad call or even has a "No chance in hell" roofie/date rape drug situation and there is little to be done. But there are plenty of cases where hubby is just a drunk POS and tries some BS....

H append to my grand mother a few years back when her boyfriend got raging asshole drunk, thankfully Mr. 380 was there and granny put the drunken asshole in check and then jail as she held him at gunpoint till the cops showed up.

It went down as a domestic violence case....to bad nothing to the effect of "Clear cut case of armed woman preventing her own rape/assault like a fuckin bawss." report was ever filed

 

[CandiCame]

Then start a thread about women being raped by those they know. The OP is about a woman raped and killed in just the kind of attack you are minimizing.

That doesn't make it an invalid comment. It's kind of what I've been talking about all morning. This is a tragedy, but not a common occurance. And the point of the thread is that one should protect themselves from something so rare, and there are people out there who think that that's a bit of a sensationalized overreaction. It's a tragedy. The OP that is.

 

[CandiCame]

^^ overwhelmingly true...and sometimes the girl does get drunk and makes a bad call or even has a "No chance in hell" roofie/date rape drug situation and there is little to be done. But there are plenty of cases where hubby is just a drunk POS and tries some BS....

H append to my grand mother a few years back when her boyfriend got raging asshole drunk, thankfully Mr. 380 was there and granny put the drunken asshole in check and then jail as she held him at gunpoint till the cops showed up.

It went down as a domestic violence case....to bad nothing to the effect of "Clear cut case of armed woman preventing her own rape/assault like a fuckin bawss." report was ever filed

I want that to be an actual report. I want the judge to have to read those exact words at the trial.

 

[TheLM]

Then start a thread about women being raped by those they know. The OP is about a woman raped and killed in just the kind of attack you are minimizing.

The thread title simply asks what measures are taken by women to protect themselves. The article mentioned in the first post proves my point: if it wasn't wildly uncommon it wouldn't have made the news.
I propose that we take measures to protect our women from real, statistically significant threats before we spend time getting exasperated over what are less common occurrences.

....but that is because I live in a world of strategy and intelligent resource application, not knee-jerk emotional policy.

Hence why I would fail in politics but flourish in business.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

In the wake of Jill Meagher's tragic death, which has made worldwide news, the question is.... when you are out, and need to protect yourself from attack, how do you ensure your personal safety?

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/vict...f-murder-hearing/story-e6frf7kx-1226482868669

She only had to walk about 700m home, and yet she was murdered.

Do you think about this? What steps have you taken to make sure you are safe?
Can anything keep you safe if some homicidal asshole targets you?

Don't wear your whore makup and this would not happen.

 

[Wings]

That doesn't make it an invalid comment. It's kind of what I've been talking about all morning. This is a tragedy, but not a common occurance. And the point of the thread is that one should protect themselves from something so rare, and there are people out there who think that that's a bit of a sensationalized overreaction. It's a tragedy. The OP that is.

But you immediately came in with "We are creating a rape culture!!" And now you're saying there are people who are thinking this is an overreaction? Do you count yourself as one of those people?

 

[TheLM]

^^ overwhelmingly true...and sometimes the girl does get drunk and makes a bad call or even has a "No chance in hell" roofie/date rape drug situation and there is little to be done. But there are plenty of cases where hubby is just a drunk POS and tries some BS....

H append to my grand mother a few years back when her boyfriend got raging asshole drunk, thankfully Mr. 380 was there and granny put the drunken asshole in check and then jail as she held him at gunpoint till the cops showed up.

It went down as a domestic violence case....to bad nothing to the effect of "Clear cut case of armed woman preventing her own rape/assault like a fuckin bawss." report was ever filed

GOod for her! I bet the majority of women would not have had a plan, or would have felt too stigmatized by society to call law enforcement, but she did the right thing and...omg... Nobody got hurt!

 

[BotanyBoy]

GOod for her! I bet the majority of women would not have had a plan, or would have felt too stigmatized by society to call law enforcement, but she did the right thing and...omg... Nobody got hurt!

She also started the first construction company owned by a female in tx, and ran it successfully for 44 years, after which she became a state lobbyist pushing legislation for all sorts of things that help women in business not get screwed by any "good ol boys clubs" that were so prevalent in 80's/90's Texas.

She's a cut throat business woman and a venomous politician...and I couldn't be any prouder of my gangy.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0zh4fQSTT1qasthro1_500.jpg

^^ she prob made this Romney/Bluth meme, blew it up and framed it. I'll have to call and ask her about it later.

 

[CandiCame]

But you immediately came in with "We are creating a rape culture!!" And now you're saying there are people who are thinking this is an overreaction? Do you count yourself as one of those people?

What I've been saying the entire time is that the overreaction creates the rape culture. That was the entire point of all of my posts. People hear about something like this and they're like, "Oh my god, I need to beware of stranger danger!"

When that is so rare as to be insignificant. When it happens, it's tragic, but more often then not there's nothing that the victim could have done. It focuses the rape alert on stranger rape, which is rare and takes focus away on common rapes- domestic violence, date rape, and child abuse. That's what we need to be focused on. Overreacting to situations like these, teaching your children that strangers are the most dangerous people, is dangerous. It creates both false fear and a false sense of security. It creates a culture of victim blaming, for both the individuals that judge and the victim themselves, because it leads them to think that there was something they could have and should have done. There are a large number of problems with the things in this thread, and I just want people to be aware of it. I think that we should focus on real problems. This woman is already dead, and her case is reported because of the unusual situation. The woman in the abusive relationship doesn't make headlines until she snaps and takes a shotgun to the guy who's been systematically raping her for years. The little kid being molested never makes headlines and grows up to be an abuser because he thinks it's normal.

I've got to go to work- so I got to cut this short, but maybe that explains what I mean.

 

[Wings]

It does, thanks for clarfying.

 

[evesdream]

He doesn't know what the term "rape culture" means. It encompasses domestic abuse, gay-bashing, stranger and date rape. The way he's trying to use it is ridiculous and assbackwards.

By the way, here are some program notes re:"#7" and his bizarre response to Kbate
http://permutationofninjas.tumblr.c...-www-rainn-org-get-information-statistics-rep

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

The republican party blames the victims. Stop dressing like whores that tempt men. Isn't that a Romney campaign slogan?

 

[richard_daily]

He doesn't know what the term "rape culture" means. It encompasses domestic abuse, gay-bashing, stranger and date rape. The way he's trying to use it is ridiculous and assbackwards.

By the way, here are some program notes re:"#7" and his bizarre response to Kbate
http://permutationofninjas.tumblr.c...-www-rainn-org-get-information-statistics-rep

For now we can ignore the 54 alleged unreported rapes.

Because if it didn't get reported to the police, it didn't happen...

 

[BotanyBoy]

The republican party blames the victims. Stop dressing like whores that tempt men. Isn't that a Romney campaign slogan?

No...you have Romney confused with someone else, Romney went for the "Bitch, get back in the kitchen!!! Can't get raped in yer own dark ally free kitchen can ya?" approach.

 

[evesdream]

Because if it didn't get reported to the police, it didn't happen...

"The orchestration of "rape culture" "/Once-ler

Ridiculous.

 

[richard_daily]

"The orchestration of "rape culture" "/Once-ler

Ridiculous.

I'm curious as to what end such an "orchestration" would serve.

 

[Wings]

I'm curious as to what end such an "orchestration" would serve.

Fear mongering, I believe.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Fear mongering, I believe.

All women should be in fear....al qaeda could could be in ANY of y'alls panties because the TERRORIST threat alert is at red...mmmhmm.... RED. SO BE SCARED!
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/16655_o.gif

Better watch it k? or a jumbo jet just might 9/11 your ass.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/57957_10151043673501721_554127375_n.jpg

 

[Wings]

All women should be in fear....al qaeda could could be in ANY of y'alls panties because the TERRORIST threat alert is at red...mmmhmm.... RED. SO BE SCARED!
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/16655_o.gif

Better watch it k? or a jumbo jet just might 9/11 your ass.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/57957_10151043673501721_554127375_n.jpg

Well geesh, it's big but not so big that it would be mistaken for a building.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well geesh, it's big but not so big that it would be mistaken for a building.

http://gifs.gifbin.com/052009/1241795697_slo-mo-blowing-raspberries.gif