The Last Thing You Thought...

[Light Ice]

Thats actually not what I meant, Thyri...
By 'the easy way out', they edit the harmless stuff because someone, somewhere, might get an icky feeling in their tummy and point a finger.
But, in the name of free speech, they allow the pure shit and hate that often lives on the GB. Racism, misogyny, trans-hate, gay/lesbian bashing, all of it.
I'm pretty sure I've seen outright threats there (but I can't remember for certain...still, it wouldn't surprise me).

Free speech.

You clearly don't understand the purpose of editing the images.

It has nothing to do with "offensive" material. That term is one that the moderators are incorrectly focusing on. Posting images that are pornographic in the United States requires certain permits and legal protections. My guess, being that Literotica does not register itself as a "pornographic" website, it doesn't have these legalities in place.

There's also copyright and publication restrictions to consider when dealing with pornography.

And people -should- be allowed to spew hateful shit on message boards. We could argue the validity of free speech entitlements all day but that issue is a secondary one to the one you're dealing with when it comes to images being posted here.

 

[RainingHeat]

You clearly don't understand the purpose of editing the images.

It has nothing to do with "offensive" material. That term is one that the moderators are incorrectly focusing on. Posting images that are pornographic in the United States requires certain permits and legal protections. My guess, being that Literotica does not register itself as a "pornographic" website, it doesn't have these legalities in place.

There's also copyright and publication restrictions to consider when dealing with pornography.

And people -should- be allowed to spew hateful shit on message boards. We could argue the validity of free speech entitlements all day but that issue is a secondary one to the one you're dealing with when it comes to images being posted here.

I am going to guess that alot of, or at least some of, the issue here is the fact that LIT can be accessed by people under the legal age.

Porn sites are "supposed" to have safeguards in place to prevent that, not that those safeguards work, but that is a whole other issue.

Those images can then be accessed by said.. kids... and I am thinking that is part of the whole issue. Lit could be shut down because of that and none of us want that.

 

[Light Ice]

I am going to guess that alot of, or at least some of, the issue here is the fact that LIT can be accessed by people under the legal age.

Porn sites are "supposed" to have safeguards in place to prevent that, not that those safeguards work, but that is a whole other issue.

Those images can then be accessed by said.. kids... and I am thinking that is part of the whole issue. Lit could be shut down because of that and none of us want that.

It's further than that, though.

The legal protections you're talking about go beyond age restricted portal access and involve the registering and validation of models and/or performers. That exists so any inspection that comes along Lit would have the ability to prove, beyond doubt, that any and all images were made with consenting adults involved.

But, when you have random users throwing pictures up from a million different locations, there's no way to assert or track down any of the required information.

That's why they have the ban in place.

And why would they go through each thread one by one? Cait, who I adore, posts probably a couple dozen in an hour period sometimes when she's on a roll. And, while she's within the rules with her posts, that's just one user. They have thousands to keep track of and most don't read, let alone respect, the rules that have been posted.

Their rules and the way they are enforcing them now make perfect sense.

But I am sorry to see some of them go.

 

[RainingHeat]

Question tho...

The legal protections you're talking about go beyond age restricted portal access and involve the registering and validation of models and/or performers. That exists so any inspection that comes along Lit would have the ability to prove, beyond doubt, that any and all images were made with consenting adults involved.

But, when you have random users throwing pictures up from a million different locations, there's no way to assert or track down any of the required information.

Would LIT have to prove said validation when it is not Lit that "created" the gif, movie, media that has been posted? It coming from another source? I am just curious is all, because these kinds of things are, well as we know, everywhere ...

Or perhaps (and I think I get it now.. haha), it is Lit that would have to point back to where the media came from, and that is where the problem lies, not being able to to THAT...

I was just curious is all...

 

[Britwitch]

...and all of these excellent points are why I'll let someone else take time to set up another such thread...

 

[Light Ice]

Question tho...

The legal protections you're talking about go beyond age restricted portal access and involve the registering and validation of models and/or performers. That exists so any inspection that comes along Lit would have the ability to prove, beyond doubt, that any and all images were made with consenting adults involved.

But, when you have random users throwing pictures up from a million different locations, there's no way to assert or track down any of the required information.

Would LIT have to prove said validation when it is not Lit that "created" the gif, movie, media that has been posted? It coming from another source? I am just curious is all, because these kinds of things are, well as we know, everywhere ...

I was just curious is all...

Yes, because Lit would be functioning as a provider. It doesn't matter that they had nothing to do with the creation of the content. They're putting it out there where it can be seen.

For example. Bob has child pornography on a website. Bob has never engaged or witnessed any sexual acts with a child in person, ever, but he puts images he's found on the web on his site.

Bob is still liable for hosting the images.

 

[RainingHeat]

Yes, because Lit would be functioning as a provider. It doesn't matter that they had nothing to do with the creation of the content. They're putting it out there where it can be seen.

For example. Bob has child pornography on a website. Bob has never engaged or witnessed any sexual acts with a child in person, ever, but he puts images he's found on the web on his site.

Bob is still liable for hosting the images.

Ok, that makes sense... Thanks for explaining so well.. Ice....

 

[Deleted member 1126402]

LT: I wonder what uninterrupted sleep is like.

 

[DarkWarrioress]

LT: I wonder what uninterrupted sleep is like.

*kisses his cheek* Wonderful. I'm sorry you aren't experiencing it, Spec. Not that I often get it either, but when I do... it does a body good. *nod*

 

[Firmhanded_Daddy]

Eh my biggest problem with them axing threads is I asked for clarification, on a few rules as some of them are worded very ambiguously.

Even the mod couldn't explain it to me, but they are still killing threads for it.

 

[Light Ice]

Eh my biggest problem with them axing threads is I asked for clarification, on a few rules as some of them are worded very ambiguously.

Even the mod couldn't explain it to me, but they are still killing threads for it.

They're just volunteers and have nothing to do with administrative decisions. They probably haven't ever spoken with someone who actually contributes to the site's management.

 

[Firmhanded_Daddy]

They're just volunteers and have nothing to do with administrative decisions. They probably haven't ever spoken with someone who actually contributes to the site's management.

Likely true, but that just enforces my point. How is the average user supposed to know the letter of the law so to speak, if those who are enforcing those laws are not quite sure.

It isn't the sort of thing to go lobbying about, more it just irritates me a little.

 

[Mephistophelily]

So... Should we stop WRITING, then? It's pornographic in nature.
Even though we're ON a literary adult site. I don't see how the images and words are different from each other.

But some of the storylines written are worse than images posted.


You cant tell me mods aren't skimming these threads.
Can one of you guys explain?
If we understand, we can stop doing whatever it is that's wrong.

An answer in straight english; understandable, not referencing legal terms that can be misinterpreted, would be GREAT.

 

[fr33ks33k]

Literature is a separate medium from photography. The laws concerning each are different. The picture source is not Lit, but it is by technicality hosting them. Without proper safe guards or permissions that violates law. It's really just that. The fact that they don't catch or stop all of it is an entirely different situation.

 

[Annisthyrienne]

Thats actually not what I meant, Thyri...
By 'the easy way out', they edit the harmless stuff because someone, somewhere, might get an icky feeling in their tummy and point a finger.
But, in the name of free speech, they allow the pure shit and hate that often lives on the GB. Racism, misogyny, trans-hate, gay/lesbian bashing, all of it.
I'm pretty sure I've seen outright threats there (but I can't remember for certain...still, it wouldn't surprise me).

Free speech.

Ah, I see your point now. As a few people know, I don't go beyond the SRP area unless following a link there that is posted here. But I have heard of the things that go on in the GB and other forums, none of it appealing to me. I live a sheltered life I guess.

Really sorry to see you go, Vail.

 

[Annisthyrienne]

I can even see LI's point in this. His explanation is clear enough even I can understand the reasoning behind it. And for once.....(just this once, mind you)...a find myself in ag...agr....agreement with him. (Finally managed to utter those words.)

 

[Deleted member 1126402]

*kisses his cheek* Wonderful. I'm sorry you aren't experiencing it, Spec. Not that I often get it either, but when I do... it does a body good. *nod*

Well someone has to take my sister to dialysis. On the plus side, I got a Mountain Dew flavored Icee . that's my coffee.

 

[SiaKlynn]

Okay, walk time!

 

[Light Ice]

It's really silly to assume just because you would follow the rules others would. In the IT world we work under a principle of least privilege. It asserts preventative action through global policy. In this instance it just makes sense to delete the entire thread and remove the weight of administrative attention rather than attempt to micromanage something as silly as an image dump.


I'm not glad this happened. I do, however, see it as completely sensible given the problem. It's the same solution I would have suggested.

 

[fr33ks33k]

It's really silly to assume just because you would follow the rules others would. In the IT world we work under a principle of least privilege. It asserts preventative action through global policy. In this instance it just makes sense to delete the entire thread and remove the weight of administrative attention rather than attempt to micromanage something as silly as an image dump.


I'm not glad this happened. I do, however, see it as completely sensible given the problem. It's the same solution I would have suggested.

It would also follow that if those threads over in other sections were being reported, they would be removed. I think what's causing the upset is that the erasures aren't consistent. This inconsistency hinges on whether or not those other threads are actually being reported. I've seen the same arguments posed in the AmPix forum. I'm sure there are loads of deleted threads to go with the ones that remain.

 

[Light Ice]

It would also follow that if those threads over in other sections were being reported, they would be removed. I think what's causing the upset is that the erasures aren't consistent. This inconsistency hinges on whether or not those other threads are actually being reported. I've seen the same arguments posed in the AmPix forum. I'm sure there are loads of deleted threads to go with the ones that remain.

I can't speak to that. Inconsistency is a common complaint in most administrative criticisms. It's also the one least liable to be helped. People are, by their nature, inconsistent.

 

[Britwitch]

LT ~ Go Mo!!!!

 

[fr33ks33k]

I can't speak to that. Inconsistency is a common complaint in most administrative criticisms. It's also the one least liable to be helped. People are, by their nature, inconsistent.

Indeed.

 

[ilikeitlikethat18]

I can't speak to that. Inconsistency is a common complaint in most administrative criticisms. It's also the one least liable to be helped. People are, by their nature, inconsistent.

OY.

Apparently I missed a lot this morning.

 

[RainingHeat]

OY.

Apparently I missed a lot this morning.

It was a busy morning... !!!