Confusion between Romney and Obama

[ChinaBandit]

OK. I see the countless posts about "more government versus less government."

However, I find it VERY disorientating when Romney Care preceeds Obama Care, Romeny actually banned assault weapons while Obama may be floating the idea. Are there more issues that they are exactly alike on than they are different? Further, rambling about "private sector versus public sector" fails to show what either will really do. Some say Obama's a failure. Others say Romney made millions on Bain while sacrificing jobs. There is so much smoke, bullshit and mis-direction who can be blamed for finding it all a turn-off?

It would really be nice if a third party candidate had more than a snowball chance in hell.

 

[Bert Notorius]

As if two fucked up parties aren't enough.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

OK. I see the countless posts about "more government versus less government."

However, I find it VERY disorientating when Romney Care preceeds Obama Care, Romeny actually banned assault weapons while Obama may be floating the idea. Are there more issues that they are exactly alike on than they are different? Further, rambling about "private sector versus public sector" fails to show what either will really do. Some say Obama's a failure. Others say Romney made millions on Bain while sacrificing jobs. There is so much smoke, bullshit and mis-direction who can be blamed for finding it all a turn-off?

It would really be nice if a third party candidate had a snowball chance in hell.

The candidates are pretty much alike on the issues that matter. Neither likes free markets: Obama wants the government to control economic activity, Romney wants WAL-MART to do it. Both want the middle class to go away, that is, Obama wants doctors and dentists and pharmacists working for the government, Romney wants them working at Wal-Mart. Both want to pick America's winners and losers.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Let us clear up some confusion:

Romney Abroad
Charles Krauthammer, NRO
July 26, 2012

A generation ago, it was the three I’s. A presidential challenger’s obligatory foreign trip meant Ireland, Italy, and Israel. Mitt Romney’s itinerary is slightly different: Britain, Poland, and Israel.

Not quite the naked ethnic appeal of yore. Each destination suggests a somewhat more subtle affinity: Britain, playing to our cultural connectedness with the Downton Abbey folks who’ve been at our side in practically every fight for the last hundred years; Poland, representing the “new Europe,” the Central Europeans so unashamedly pro-American; Israel, appealing to most American Jews but also to an infinitely greater number of passionately sympathetic Evangelical Christians.

Unlike Barack Obama, Romney abroad will not be admonishing his country, criticizing his president, or declaring himself a citizen of the world. Indeed, Romney should say nothing of substance, just offer effusive expressions of affection for his hosts — and avoid needless contretemps, like his inexplicably dumb and gratuitous critique of Britain’s handling of the Olympic Games. The whole point is to show appreciation for close allies, something the current president has conspicuously failed to do.

On the contrary. Obama started his presidency by returning to the British Embassy the bust of Winston Churchill that had graced the Oval Office. Then came the State Department official who denied the very existence of a U.S.-British special relationship, saying: “There’s nothing special about Britain. You’re just the same as the other 190 countries in the world.”

To be topped off by the slap they received over the Falkland Islands, an issue the Brits had considered closed since they repelled the Argentine invasion there 30 years ago. They were not amused by the Obama administration’s studied neutrality between Britain and Argentina, with both a State Department spokesman and the president ostentatiously employing “Malvinas,” the politically charged Argentine name, interchangeably with “Falklands.” (Although the president flubbed it, calling them the “Maldives,” an Indian Ocean island chain 8,000 miles away.)

As for Poland, it was stunned by Obama’s unilateral cancellation of a missile-defense agreement signed with the Bush 43 administration. Having defied vociferous Russian threats, the Poles expected better treatment than to wake up one morning — the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland, no less — to find themselves the victim of Obama’s “reset” policy of accommodation with Russia. So much for protection from Russian bullying, something they thought they had finally gained with the end of the Cold War.

And then there is Israel, the most egregious example of Obama’s disregard for traditional allies. Obama came into office explicitly intent on creating “daylight” between himself and Israel, believing that by tilting toward the Arabs, they would be more accommodating.

The opposite happened. (Surprise!) When Obama insisted on a building freeze in Jerusalem that no U.S. government had ever demanded and no Israeli government would ever accept, the Palestinian Authority saw clear to become utterly recalcitrant. Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas openly told the Washington Post that he would just sit on his hands and wait for America to deliver Israel.

Result? Abbas refused to negotiate. Worse, he tried to undermine the fundamental principle of U.S. Middle East diplomacy — a negotiated two-state solution — by seeking unilateral U.N. recognition of Palestinian statehood, without talks or bilateral agreements.

Guns: an answer (as posted in the other thread) to the opposition research (lies) on gun policy...

http://aboutmittromney.com/gun_rights.htm

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Recognize the tactic?

How the Left Sabotages the Literary Right
By Jack Cashill, The American Thinker
July 27, 2012

"My biggest complaint," writes "ebmlaw" in his Amazon review of Terry Lakin's new book Officer's Oath, "is about the parts where the author graphically describes being raped by a convicted child molester (or "ch'mo" as he calls them) while in prison."

For those who may not know, Terry Lakin is the medical doctor and former U.S. Army lieutenant colonel, who, according to "Whiskey 35 Alpha," refused to deploy to Afghanistan because "he had concerns about that scary back (sic) man in the White House." Clarification is added by "J. Powell," who elaborates, "[Lakin] treasonously abdicated his duties - AN OBLIGATION HE MADE AN OATH TO FULFILL - to make a political point about our first black president which is based entirely on well-documented lies."

Having helped Lakin with his memoir, I am fully certain that none of these reviewers bothered to read the book. They, or people like them, occupy Amazon and haunt the pages of all conservative authors. On the subject of Barack Obama, "the back man in the White House," they are quick to impute racism even to people like Lakin who have not a racist bone in their bodies.

The role of these unseemly little saboteurs is to pull down the overall review numbers and sow the seeds of doubt in the minds of would-be purchasers. In the case of Officer's Oath, they slightly offset the great majority of five-star reviews with their one-star reviews to bring the composite review number down to four. I do not know if their efforts are coordinated or if devious minds just happen to think alike. Perhaps both.

I was particularly impressed by the creativity of ebmlaw. With seeming prudence, he cautions the readers, "Although I understand his need to describe that experience [prison rape], I think [Lakin] could have done so without so much graphic detail." Yes, Lakin did go to prison. Yes, there were ch'mos at Leavenworth, but no, there is not a hint in this G-rated book that anyone gets molested or raped or in any way abused, let alone Lakin himself.

It's the main tactic of guys like this:

Throb thread:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=745068

 

[RobDownSouth]

Let us clear up some confusion:

Romney Abroad
Charles Krauthammer, NRO
July 26, 2012




Guns: an answer (as posted in the other thread) to the opposition research (lies) on gun policy...

http://aboutmittromney.com/gun_rights.htm

I suspect Krauthammer's column was written before Romney's talking-point disaster in the UK yesterday.

"Worse than Sarah Palin"... "an American Borat"... It will will be interesting to see how your lying ass spins this.

 

[rosco rathbone]

OK. I see the countless posts about "more government versus less government."

However, I find it VERY disorientating when Romney Care preceeds Obama Care, Romeny actually banned assault weapons while Obama may be floating the idea. Are there more issues that they are exactly alike on than they are different? Further, rambling about "private sector versus public sector" fails to show what either will really do. Some say Obama's a failure. Others say Romney made millions on Bain while sacrificing jobs. There is so much smoke, bullshit and mis-direction who can be blamed for finding it all a turn-off?

It would really be nice if a third party candidate had more than a snowball chance in hell.

Are you seriously just figuring out that there's not much substantive difference between the two of them???

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I suspect Krauthammer's column was written before Romney's talking-point disaster in the UK yesterday.

"Worse than Sarah Palin"... "an American Borat"... It will will be interesting to see how your lying ass spins this.

Which ever way the cat jumps in November prepare yourself for 4 tough, clueless years. Obama will swear things are great, and Romney will swear that unemployment is what America needs to clear away the cobwebs.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Beyond attempting to reconstitute the cult of personality, which was the major factor in propelling Barack Obama to the White House in 2008, the Obama campaign must suppress and discourage the turnout among the electorate by casting Romney as a dishonest and unethical politician. Unfortunately he is being aided and abetted by many conservatives and libertarians who are wallowing in their inbred pessimism, which allows them to be used as pawns by Barack Obama and his re-election cabal.

The key to the election rests with the ability of the Obama campaign to discourage those now pre-disposed to vote for Romney because of the economy or disappointment with Obama. Thus the never-ending message over the past two months from the Obama re-election team that Romney is dishonest, unethical, cares only for the rich, outsources jobs, perhaps is a felon, has off shore bank accounts ostensibly to hide money and, as he must have skeletons in his past, he refuses to release his tax returns.

While the polling results to date have not shown any real movement as a result of this scorched earth campaign, it has succeeded in maintaining the status quo. However, if this were any other time in America's recent past, with similar economic circumstances, Barack Obama would be down by double digits among likely voters in any presidential preference poll.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/pawns_in_the_obama_re-election_campaign.html#ixzz21p5TNY9p

 

[RobDownSouth]

Recognize the tactic?

How the Left Sabotages the Literary Right
By Jack Cashill, The American Thinker
July 27, 2012



It's the main tactic of guys like this:

Throb thread:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=745068

That's right, AJ, You're a victim....A VICTIM, DAMMIT!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/pawns_in_the_obama_re-election_campaign.html#ixzz21p5TNY9p

Good luck tryin' to convince folks that Obama is tryin' to suppress voter turnout.

That's a difficult job, even for a forked-tongue specialist such as yourself.

 

[mercury14]

OK. I see the countless posts about "more government versus less government."

However, I find it VERY disorientating when Romney Care preceeds Obama Care, Romeny actually banned assault weapons while Obama may be floating the idea. Are there more issues that they are exactly alike on than they are different? Further, rambling about "private sector versus public sector" fails to show what either will really do. Some say Obama's a failure. Others say Romney made millions on Bain while sacrificing jobs. There is so much smoke, bullshit and mis-direction who can be blamed for finding it all a turn-off?

It would really be nice if a third party candidate had more than a snowball chance in hell.

Where do you see Obama floating the idea of banning assault weapons? The only thing he's said on the topic is that he's not planning on doing anything at all. What are you hearing that I'm not?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Where do you see Obama floating the idea of banning assault weapons? The only thing he's said on the topic is that he's not planning on doing anything at all. What are you hearing that I'm not?

I think he's referring to this -- which, of course, is by no means any kind of actual legislative or policy proposal; but, to certain minds, if that is not too strong a word, it's enough to raise hackles anyway.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He will have the flexibility to continue to evolve once he has been reelected and is term-limited...



I can remember still when he was swearing up and down that a mandate was not the answer.

 

[Liar]

He will have the flexibility to continue to evolve once he has been reelected and is term-limited...

And you have decided that he will (not to mention can) use this flexibility to curb gun rights based on what, specifically?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And you have decided that he will (not to mention can) use this flexibility to curb gun rights based on what, specifically?

Proclivities, his book, Fast&Furious, his mentors, his staff, his supporters...,


It's "evolutionary" my Dear Watson.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I can remember when raising the debt ceiling was cowardly and unpatriotic.


He always says the opposite of his intention.

 

[Liar]

Proclivities, his book, Fast&Furious, his mentors, his staff, his supporters...,


It's "evolutionary" my Dear Watson.

"Can't you see!? It's all there! Join the dots dammit. Why can't you see?!?"

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"Can't you see!? It's all there! Join the dots dammit. Why can't you see?!?"

Until he was in a close race with Romney, was he not pro-traditional marriage?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Clinton first-termed the weapons ban and it was a contribution to losing Congress.


Of course, having Congress fixate on trying to toss him out kept him from doing too much in his second term.


Romney is like having $.50 in your pocket - Obama is like having a nickle.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Clinton first-termed the weapons ban and it was a contribution to losing Congress.


Of course, having Congress fixate on trying to toss him out kept him from doing too much in his second term.


Romney is like having $.50 in your pocket - Obama is like having a nickle.

Exactly. He needs either a few guns votes (which is not looking like the actual strategy, so hinting at bans enthuses his base) or a slight depression of the gun-voting base so keeping his powder dry while trying to KILL ROMNEY is probably his best vehicle for doing so. He's already stated that if Congress will not act, he will and in a deeply divided country, the Democrat minorities will do everything in their power to save him and allow him to rule by executive decree.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Exactly. He needs either a few guns votes (which is not looking like the actual strategy, so hinting at bans enthuses his base) or a slight depression of the gun-voting base so keeping his powder dry while trying to KILL ROMNEY is probably his best vehicle for doing so. He's already stated that if Congress will not act, he will and in a deeply divided country, the Democrat minorities will do everything in their power to save him and allow him to rule by executive decree.

Which is what Bush I did to the FAL.


Even Springfield Armory didn't accomplish that.


And McNamara got them for it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

FAL?

You lost me there...

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The FN-FAL, the Right Arm of the Free World. Bush I banned their importation in 1990 or so by executive fiat.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

*chuckle*