How many women risked their lives to protect their boyfriends in Aurora, Colorado?

[LJ_Reloaded]

a man walks into a theatre an opens fire killing many people, some men die protecting their girlfriends


thsuly.. women are to blame for all the deaths in the theatre


way to show empathy for the victims .............................again

NOT ONE WOMAN risked her life to protect her boyfriend in that shooting spree. FACT. You cannot deny this.

Peregrinator even admits this.

We all know you would abandon your boyfriend if someone broke out and started shooting. Or you'd grab him and use him as a shield.

 

[bg23]

I think the instinct to protect generally comes from trying to protect that which you consider vulnerable.

So you protect your kitty, you protect a baby, you protect the random child you see in the street.

Mothers protect their babies because they can't protect themselves.

Men protect women because they regard women as the weaker, more vulnerable sex.

Children don't jump in front of their parents because they don't regard parents as weaker than themselves.

I think there's a certain logic in not throwing your 6 ft 2 bf off you when he's trying to shield you and jumping in front of him instead. That could be a very impractical wrestling match.

But mostly I do think it comes down to the fact that in the heat of the moment like that, you protect what you think is vulnerable, and most women don't see their men as vulnerable (even though obviously we know you are, you're strong but you're not bulletproof), so that instinctive urge isn't there.

Additionally, I think if some guy threatened my boyfriend and I jumped in to defend him, he'd get pretty pissed at me for emasculating him. As women we're somewhat trained to let men be the protectors, the heroes, because it's such an important part of the masculine identity. I don't think that means we're incapable of self sacrifice, but it does mean that when our men demonstrate the desire to protect us, we let them, rather than quibble over it.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I think the instinct to protect generally comes from trying to protect that which you consider vulnerable.

So you protect your kitty, you protect a baby, you protect the random child you see in the street.

Mothers protect their babies because they can't protect themselves.

Men protect women because they regard women as the weaker, more vulnerable sex.

Children don't jump in front of their parents because they don't regard parents as weaker than themselves.

I think there's a certain logic in not throwing your 6 ft 2 bf off you when he's trying to shield you and jumping in front of him instead. That could be a very impractical wrestling match.

But mostly I do think it comes down to the fact that in the heat of the moment like that, you protect what you think is vulnerable, and most women don't see their men as vulnerable (even though obviously we know you are, you're strong but you're not bulletproof), so that instinctive urge isn't there.

Additionally, I think if some guy threatened my boyfriend and I jumped in to defend him, he'd get pretty pissed at me for emasculating him. As women we're somewhat trained to let men be the protectors, the heroes, because it's such an important part of the masculine identity. I don't think that means we're incapable of self sacrifice, but it does mean that when our men demonstrate the desire to protect us, we let them, rather than quibble over it.

So who protects the men? Or are we pretty much cannon fodder?

Like I said, I would never WISH for a son. We wound up adopting one to save him from an abortion, and I fear for his future.

 

[bg23]

So who protects the men? Or are we pretty much cannon fodder?

Like I said, I would never WISH for a son. We wound up adopting one to save him from an abortion, and I fear for his future.

I don't think it means you're cannon fodder, I think it means you're at the top of the food chain so generally there is this assumption that mean don't need protecting. Of course you do, but often it's from - well, other men, right? So in a battle against another man, would you fight it, or would you rather your woman fight it?

I think if one of the boyfriends had been on crutches or a wheelchair or something it's entirely possible his gf would have thrown him down and jumped on top of him because in that case, he'd have been weaker and more vulnerable.

But I think the situation there is difficult -- there were bullets going everywhere, it wasn't like a 1 to 1 combat situation, most people were trying to hide, and I think that's the instinct, is to hide, get under a seat, stay down. If I'd been there with my bf I'd have grabbed him and tried to get him to crawl under a seat with me. I wouldn't have put him where he was and lay myself on top of him like a shield. If he'd pushed me on the ground and lay on me to shield me, that would have been incredibly sweet, but also kinda stupid.

I think in combat that's what it comes down to, is the sort of instinctive, assumptive reactions - men historically have always been physically superior, regarded as protectors and such. If the guy had been standing there with, oh, I don't know, a longsword, and asked people to challenge him to 1 to 1 combat would you have been surprised if the only people to volunteer were other men carrying longswords? In physical confrontations men tend to just take on that role and women let them, because that's how we're trained. That's not always the case, I'm generalising.

But I like to think that if somebody calmly held a gun to my head and bf's head and asked me to pick who would die, me or him, I would tell him to shoot me because I wouldn't want to live in a world where the man I loved was dead.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

In the history of the United States, the President of the United States has bestowed 3,471 Congressional Medals of Honor to the nation's soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, and coast guardsmen since the decoration's creation in 1861. One of those was awarded to a woman, in 1865, to Dr Mary Walker.

Many of the Civil War Era medals were participation tokens awarded to VIPs, and walked back once the medal earned real prestige.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I had lotsa interactions with female cops, professionally, and they have problems asserting themselves when men are present in a confrontation with a bad boy. Or they over-react and escalate problems to crises. Passive or hysterical are their choices

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't think it means you're cannon fodder, I think it means you're at the top of the food chain so generally there is this assumption that mean don't need protecting. Of course you do, but often it's from - well, other men, right? So in a battle against another man, would you fight it, or would you rather your woman fight it?

Well, as Badbabysitter said, a bunch of men left the room when Marc Lepine went on his shooting rampage. This mentality shackled the women in that room to reverting to a feeble, take-no-action mindset that gave Lepine free reign. It was a mindset that got a lot of women killed. Sure, women would have died regardless, but they died without even fighting back.

It's plainly obvious, from how you feel you would react if you and your boyfriend was threatened...

But I like to think that if somebody calmly held a gun to my head and bf's head and asked me to pick who would die, me or him, I would tell him to shoot me because I wouldn't want to live in a world where the man I loved was dead.

... that you wouldn't have sat there while Marc Lepine opened fire (if your boyfriend was, say, out of town at the time). Clearly you understand the folly of just... sitting there, cowering in fear.

When do women start throwing off the shackles? Some men should have rushed James Holmes, but also, so could some women.

On a side note, that guy who abandoned his girlfriend and baby was an absolute douchewaffle.

 

[HAL_9000]

LOL, can you not read?

I said how many women risked their lives to protect their BOYFRIENDS.

Do you know the difference between one's boyfriend and one's kid?

Women will protect their kids. They won't protect their boyfriends.

What's the difference? Heroic is heroic. Risking oneself for another. I fail to see the humor.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

What's the difference? Heroic is heroic. Risking oneself for another. I fail to see the humor.

Because women in general don't put much value on the lives of their men. Their actions say it all.

 

[badbabysitter]

Because women in general don't put much value on the lives of their men. Their actions say it all.

this is another example of you not blaming women for James Holmes killing 12 people


great empathy for the victims

 

[HAL_9000]

Because women in general don't put much value on the lives of their men. Their actions say it all.

Genetically, yes.

Blame "Mother" Nature.

Men are a Dime a Dozen.

Women literally create new life.

This is why it's more logical to sterilize women than men when trying to achieve population reduction control.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

this is another example of you not blaming women for James Holmes killing 12 people


great empathy for the victims

And how many women risked their lives to protect their boyfriends in the Aurora Co shooting?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

And how many women risked their lives to protect their boyfriends in the Aurora Co shooting?

And once again Badbabysitter fled in terror from this question.

 

[XXplorher]

That comment/Subject is most definitely besides the point. But what isn't is:

"I heard him reloading so I did this"


Are there really that many people, in one place, unwilling to jump the guy? Am I to believe he never had his back turned to any individual ever? He's reloading, And if I have his ankle right next to my ear... I don't try to hurt him?

I'm a possum instead?


This, SPECIFIC, tragedy has me especially upset. We go to that place to momentarily believe in a better world, a hero, somone we'd like to love, be loved by, be brave enough about... it's the Believe Machine. And when that gets desecrated in the manner that it did? I find it especially hard to cope.

But the very simple answer to any and ALL options are: No Fear.

-I'm, gonna go to the theater and get my escape.
-I'm gonna believe in the Dream Machine.

And if anyone walks in guns blazing, to fuck with MY place? They're gonna fall.

No one fucks with that place ever again.

Understand?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

That comment/Subject is most definitely besides the point. But what isn't is:

"I heard him reloading so I did this"


Are there really that many people, in one place, unwilling to jump the guy? Am I to believe he never had his back turned to any individual ever? He's reloading, And if I have his ankle right next to my ear... I don't try to hurt him?

I'm a possum instead?


This, SPECIFIC, tragedy has me especially upset. We go to that place to momentarily believe in a better world, a hero, somone we'd like to love, be loved by, be brave enough about... it's the Believe Machine. And when that gets desecrated in the manner that it did? I find it especially hard to cope.

But the very simple answer to any and ALL options are: No Fear.

-I'm, gonna go to the theater and get my escape.
-I'm gonna believe in the Dream Machine.

And if anyone walks in guns blazing, to fuck with MY place? They're gonna fall.

No one fucks with that place ever again.

Understand?

That's my motto in life, too.

Unlike badbabysitter, my WIFE also subscribes to that motto. Unlike badbabysitter, my WIFE would be drawing her gun alongside me.

Fight crime. Shoot back.

Hey badbabysitter, I noticed you didn't have SHIT to say to Wyldfire except to whine about me. LOL.

 

[badbabysitter]

That's my motto in life, too.

Unlike badbabysitter, my WIFE also subscribes to that motto. Unlike badbabysitter, my WIFE would be drawing her gun alongside me.

Fight crime. Shoot back.

Hey badbabysitter, I noticed you didn't have SHIT to say to Wyldfire except to whine about me. LOL.

you kept spamming the same answer to all my questions..if I want that level of dumbassery , I'll talk to renard


and you're right... unlike you and you wife I wouldnt bring a gun into a movie theatre... you see, I'm not a fucking psycho who feels they need a gun to enjoy a night out


you and Zimmerman must be so proud


and you still have yet to show any empathy for any of the victims

 

[badbabysitter]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/the-amazing-story-of-allie-and-stephanie/260172/

After visiting with families of survivors of the shooting in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater and also those recovering from their injuries, President Obama on Sunday spoke about the tragedy and told a story of remarkable courage by some of the first victims in the theater:

There's one particular story I want to tell because this was the last visit that I had and I think it's representative of everything that I saw and heard today. I had a chance, just now, about five minutes ago, to visit with Allie Young -- Allie is 19 years old -- and I also had a chance to visit with Allie's best friend, Stephanie Davies, who's 21. Stephanie was actually downstairs with Allie as well as Allie's parents when I walked into the room.

And I don't think this story has been heard -- at least I hadn't read it yet -- but I wanted to share it with you. When the gunman initially came in and threw the canisters, he threw them only a few feet away from Allie and Stephanie, who were sitting there watching the film. Allie stood up, seeing that she might need to do something or at least warn the other people who were there. And she was immediately shot. And she was shot in the neck, and it punctured a vein, and immediately she started spurting blood.

And apparently, as she dropped down on the floor, Stephanie -- 21 years old -- had the presence of mind to drop down on the ground with her, pull her out of the aisle, place her fingers over where she -- where Allie had been wounded, and applied pressure the entire time while the gunman was still shooting. Allie told Stephanie she needed to run. Stephanie refused to go -- instead, actually, with her other hand, called 911 on her cell phone.

Once the SWAT team came in, they were still trying to clear the theater. Stephanie then, with the help of several others, carries Allie across two parking lots to where the ambulance is waiting. And because of Stephanie's timely actions, I just had a conversation with Allie downstairs, and she is going to be fine.

I don't know how many people at any age would have the presence of mind that Stephanie did, or the courage that Allie showed. And so, as tragic as the circumstances of what we've seen today are, as heartbreaking as it is for the families, it's worth us spending most of our time reflecting on young Americans like Allie and Stephanie, because they represent what's best in us, and they assure us that out of this darkness a brighter day is going to come.

 

[badbabysitter]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...suffers-miscarriage-as-suspect-faces-charges/

DENVER — The mother of the Colorado movie theatre shooting spree’s youngest victim has suffered a miscarriage, yet another tragic twist following the rampage that killed 12 people and wounded 58.

Ashley Moser, whose six-year-old daughter Veronica Moser-Sullivan was killed in the attack during the Aurora premiere of “The Dark Knight Rises,” miscarried due to trauma after being critically wounded herself, her family said Saturday.

News of the latest loss comes as Colorado prosecutors prepare to file formal charges today against James Holmes, the former neuroscience student accused of committing the rampage. Legal analysts expect the case to be dominated by arguments over his sanity, though at least one expert believes Holmes could face 12 charges of first-degree murder as well as an additional 12 charges of extreme indifference homicide for the act of firing indiscriminately into a crowded movie theatre. Scott Robinson, a legal analyst speaking to Colorado’s 9NEWS, said that even if Holmes were only charged with 58 attempted murders and various levels of assault, convictions for those crimes alone could land the accused killer a prison sentence of more than 4,600 years.

Holmes was not expected to enter pleas during his second court appearance. He was silent and appeared dazed in the courtroom a week ago.

Attorneys also were arguing over a defence motion to find out who leaked information to the media about a package the 24-year-old allegedly sent to his psychiatrist at the University of Colorado Denver.

 

[badbabysitter]

uh -oh

looks like the only person that did stand up to James Holmes........... was a woman


http://www.wgrz.com/news/national/article/175978/2/Mother-says-daughter-stood-up-to-Holmes


AURORA - At least one of the victims in Friday's deadly theater shooting faced her killer head on before he pulled the trigger.

According to the mother of Rebbeca Wingo, Rebecca stood up to James Holmes moments before her death.

"I just recently, in the last day or two, found out Rebecca was facing her shooter," Shirley Wygal, Rebecca's mother, said. "That's Rebecca. That's Rebecca. If you're going to shoot me, you're going to look at me and do it. And I'm so proud of her. For the life she lived and the dignity she died with."

Wygal said her daughter was a smart girl who was very creative and had a huge heart. As a single mother of two, Rebecca spent most of her time focusing on her daughters, who she loved unconditionally.

"She lived the most blessed life of anyone I ever knew," Wygal said. "She was a fun mom! Oh my gosh, you just can't even talk about the love between those three people".

Wygal told her granddaughters what happened to their mother. She said the family is finding comfort knowing Rebecca lived life to the fullest.

"She lived life really well," Wygal said.

The family has set up a fundraising website for the victims involved. You can visit it by following this link: www.auroraheroes.com

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

you kept spamming the same answer to all my questions..if I want that level of dumbassery , I'll talk to renard

You keep refusing to answer my opening question, because you're too fucking scared to.

and you're right... unlike you and you wife I wouldnt bring a gun into a movie theatre... you see, I'm not a fucking psycho who feels they need a gun to enjoy a night out

And when the shooting starts you'll use your BOYFRIEND as a human shield to avoid getting hurt.

 

[badbabysitter]

You keep refusing to answer my opening question, because you're too fucking scared to.


And when the shooting starts you'll use your BOYFRIEND as a human shield to avoid getting hurt.

alright dumbass.. I'll try explaining it to you again really slow so that it might penetrate that thick skull of yours


1... a woman did stand up to James Holmes... read the above post about Rebecca Wingo... she's the only person that did... hence invalidating your entire arguement that women wouldnt


I dont expect you to acknowledge it , or even understand the words being the dumbass you are... but it's there


2.... You keep wondering why I bring up the assacare of 14 women by Marc Lepine and how the men ran for cover... you then blame the women for not standing up to him

you see.. you blame the women in this thread for their boyfriends protecting them, because you believe women won't find for themselves and its a mans job... when I point out that men ran for cover.. instead of acknowledging that your superheor fantasy about men is just that.... you blame women again for getting killed

3. One girl stayed in the theatre during all the shooting protecting her friend from harm, administering first aid, calling the police ( all at the same time too) and then wouldnt leave her side.........


you consider that cowardice



4. You still have yet to display a single more of empathy for any of the victims.. not even the men... they're just tools for your poorly thought gender-politics attack



5. As for your " when the shooting starts"... why do you constantly fantasize about violence?

You dont know me, or what I'm capable of.... based on your history of making up shit about your life... you'd probably piss yourself and have a heart attack if anything like that happened

 

[hummermania]

The answer to the OP's question is that once again the OP has proven himself an idiot.

Congratulations LT, you win the Stupid of the Year medal.
Now, let Darwin's theory be merciless with you, and please, please do not procreate.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

alright dumbass.. I'll try explaining it to you again really slow so that it might penetrate that thick skull of yours


1... a woman did stand up to James Holmes... read the above post about Rebecca Wingo... she's the only person that did... hence invalidating your entire arguement that women wouldnt

She never risked her life to protect any boyfriend. Once again you show just how stupid you are that you can't read a basic sentence.

NO WOMAN RISKED HER LIFE TO PROTECT A MAN.

YOU, Badbabysitter, would use your boyfriend as a human shield, and you know it.