Obamacare: 83% of docs considered quitting

[koalabear]

All these lit docs are really cool.

 

[about_average]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RZxlYx1u9Jc/S2Dw7umwwZI/AAAAAAAABEQ/JKUqtDBa1v8/s400/Closed+Door+Meeting.jpg

Lest we forget the manner in which this 'law' was achieved, and now we have a President who picks and chooses which laws to enforce....

Doesn't take a lot of understanding to know organized crime in action.....

That has exactly nothing to do with the topic at hand or what you quoted. But go ahead, change the subject.

Average, that isn't even the major reason the survey is bogus. Read the survey - it doesn't poll or even mention the ACA or Obamacare at all.

I did. I just was giving them the benefit of the doubt. And there was one question that I took to be specifically about the ACA, the requirement to buy insurance.
But even if every single question had been about specific parts of the ACA, any conclusions based on the survey would still be completely bogus.

 

[bra_man69]

All these lit docs are really cool.

Want use one

 

[sethp]

The truth of the matter is that no doc is going to quit.

 

[about_average]

The truth of the matter is that no doc is going to quit.

I wouldn't be surprised if a handful quit. Out of the 950,000 in the US a few wanting to make a statement wouldn't be surprising at all. Significant? Not in the least.

 

[koalabear]

I wouldn't be surprised if a handful quit. Out of the 950,000 in the US a few wanting to make a statement wouldn't be surprising at all. Significant? Not in the least.

You may want to note that there is already a shortage of Doctors.

 

[kbate]

Average, that isn't even the major reason the survey is bogus. Read the survey - it doesn't poll or even mention the ACA or Obamacare at all.

Saying otherwise is a flat lie.

It mentions several of the changes implemented by the ACA. Get real, it was about the ACA whether the wording meets your demands or not.

Saying otherwise is an intentional lie.

 

[about_average]

You may want to note that there is already a shortage of Doctors.

I'm not aware of anyone disputing that.

 

[sigh]

I apologise for the Stygian depths of my intellect detracting from the blinding brightness of yours. It is truly a pleasure to learn (such as one of my capacity can) from one so gifted in insight, depth of knowledge and thought.

classic k

 

[sigh]

Yes because without Obamacare the medical system wouldn't be changing.

The medical system has been changing for decades... Decades prior to Obamacare. There are books written about it. You'll just have to believe me on this one. But you wont.

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http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Man...42136622&sr=8-2&keywords=rise+of+managed+care
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A friend of mine just left a prestigious position at a major Children's hospital in Ohio because they gave him 12-minute time slots to see kids dealing with mental illnesses. And it has nothing to do with Obamacare at all.

It's true that corporate healthcare is squeezing the life out of its workers (believe me, I know) but the reason I didn't support the current law is that it really doesn't address any of the myriad problems that currently exist and (as you say) have been getting worse for years. It does increase opportunity for access to the system (a very good thing indeed) but increasing access to a broken system doesn't hold much promise for success in my mind.

Still, working in a hospital, surrounded by dozens of healthcare workers and docs day after day, I can say that I think the 83% figure in this "study" is total bullshit. I've heard people saying they wish they'd never gotten into healthcare for years now, but I've heard nobody ever say they were considering quitting just because of the ACA. Hell, if corporate healthcare hasn't driven us out yet, we're certainly not going to turn tail and run just on rumors of what the ACA might do. We'll at least hang around and see how it plays out. Hard to imagine it'll make our lives that much worse. I'll still be working for the same big corporation (at least until it merges again with another huge corporation and gets even bigger) doing pretty much the same things I'm doing now. And so will the docs.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It's true that corporate healthcare is squeezing the life out of its workers (believe me, I know) but the reason I didn't support the current law is that it really doesn't address any of the myriad problems that currently exist and (as you say) have been getting worse for years. It does increase opportunity for access to the system (a very good thing indeed) but increasing access to a broken system doesn't hold much promise for success in my mind.

Michael Moore was right when he said that in any discussion of health-care reform, "The health-insurance companies are the enemy and should not have a place at the table." Which they unmistakably did have, this time around. Ah, well, this will do for now; maybe we'll get the real thing in the next non-GOP administration.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I wouldn't be surprised if a handful quit. Out of the 950,000 in the US a few wanting to make a statement wouldn't be surprising at all. Significant? Not in the least.

And America and the medical profession will be better off without that handful.

 

[Miss_Ali]

Re: Careful

I am a Physician's Assistant and every PA-C, MD and DO that I personally know do not feel this way. The thing with survey's - they can be manipulated very easily to show false accuracies. I personally am thrilled about this step forward.

 

[sigh]

You may want to note that there is already a shortage of Doctors.

Why do you suppose that is?

Assuming my son was capable of going to college, I would never encourage him to go into healthcare. In addition to doctors, there's a shortage of pharmacists, and last I heard, nurses and physical therapists as well, and none of that has anything to do with Obamacare. It's been an ongoing problem for at least a decade now. Part of it is demographics, but part of it is that healthcare professionals aren't seeing (or encouraging) their offspring to enter their fields as they did in years past.

Speaking of shortages, have you heard about the shortage of drugs? It's astounding, it really is. We are quite literally rationing medication, reserving it for those most critically in need. Talk about death panels, these are for real. Blame corporate healthcare for that one too.

 

[bra_man69]

You may want to note that there is already a shortage of Doctors.

Bullshit Pakistan has a lot more to send over

 

[KingOrfeo]

Why do you suppose that is?

Assuming my son was capable of going to college, I would never encourage him to go into healthcare. In addition to doctors, there's a shortage of pharmacists, and last I heard, nurses and physical therapists as well, and none of that has anything to do with Obamacare. It's been an ongoing problem for at least a decade now. Part of it is demographics, but part of it is that healthcare professionals aren't seeing (or encouraging) their offspring to enter their fields as they did in years past.

Why do you suppose that is?

You tell us, you're the one who would never encourage, etc. -- why not?

 

[sigh]

Michael Moore was right when he said that in any discussion of health-care reform, "The health-insurance companies are the enemy and should not have a place at the table." Which they unmistakably did have, this time around. Ah, well, this will do for now; maybe we'll get the real thing in the next non-GOP administration.

I agree. Health insurance is driving the healthcare bubble. Without it, we'd never see the spiraling increase in prices that are far outpacing those in other industries. And when this bubble bursts, it'll make the housing debacle of the last decade pale in comparison.

 

[sigh]

Why do you suppose that is?

You tell us, you're the one who would never encourage, etc. -- why not?

I'm laughing at myself. I thought I had been telling you. Obviously not, though, huh?

It's a buzz saw of a profession. On one hand it's absolutely vital that you never make a mistake, yet on the other are a series of ever-increasing demands that make it virtually certain that you'll make more mistakes in the next year than in years past. Nobody can be perfect, but with a bit less frenetic pace, it'd be a lot easier to at least get close.

 

[sigh]

Bullshit Pakistan has a lot more to send over

I work with, round with, consult with, and assist in codes with foreign doctors day in and day out, and most of them I'd trust with my life, and (more telling still) the life of my son.

 

[sigh]

I am a Physician's Assistant and every PA-C, MD and DO that I personally know do not feel this way. The thing with survey's - they can be manipulated very easily to show false accuracies. I personally am thrilled about this step forward.

Welcome to the board, Miss Ali. A PA in our derm clinic froze a growth off one of my ears a couple of weeks ago. She did a great job. I have the highest respect for you guys.



Okay, obviously I'm a bit passionate about this. Sorry about that. I'll stop now.

I have to get to bed anyway. Back to the buzz saw tomorrow and straight through the weekend.

 

[koalabear]

Why do you suppose that is?

Assuming my son was capable of going to college, I would never encourage him to go into healthcare. In addition to doctors, there's a shortage of pharmacists, and last I heard, nurses and physical therapists as well, and none of that has anything to do with Obamacare. It's been an ongoing problem for at least a decade now. Part of it is demographics, but part of it is that healthcare professionals aren't seeing (or encouraging) their offspring to enter their fields as they did in years past.

Speaking of shortages, have you heard about the shortage of drugs? It's astounding, it really is. We are quite literally rationing medication, reserving it for those most critically in need. Talk about death panels, these are for real. Blame corporate healthcare for that one too.

Your Son would be better off learning how to fill out government paperwork for physicians. We need the shortages, the herd must be thinned out to control costs.

 

[miles]

I am a Physician's Assistant and every PA-C, MD and DO that I personally know do not feel this way. The thing with survey's - they can be manipulated very easily to show false accuracies. I personally am thrilled about this step forward.

Alt much?

 

[mercury14]

It mentions several of the changes implemented by the ACA. Get real, it was about the ACA whether the wording meets your demands or not.

Saying otherwise is an intentional lie.

Here are the questions. None refer to ACA changes.

http://www.doctorsandpatients.org/resources/82

One question mentioned repealing the ACA and 63% said yes to part/all repeal. Considering that this is a Tea Party survey that polled mostly pissed off doctors and is in no way a representative sample, that's pretty good.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Miles invokes the spirit of his beloved Karen again...

Alt much?

Kraft Rulez #1: Always accuse your political opponents of using or being an alt.

 

[kbate]

Here are the questions. None refer to ACA changes.

http://www.doctorsandpatients.org/resources/82

One question mentioned repealing the ACA and 63% said yes to part/all repeal. Considering that this is a Tea Party survey that polled mostly pissed off doctors and is in no way a representative sample, that's pretty good.

So right off you admit to having lied one time in your previous post and now:


1. How do current changes in the medical system affect your desire to practice medicine? (oh, the ACA does not take effect until 2014 so it is not yet current)
2. How do you assess the overall current path of the medical system in the U.S.? (see above disclaimer)
13. How will you respond to lower Medicare/Medicaid payments?
17. How do electronic health records impact medical privacy & confidentiality?
18. Are you hesitant to voice your opinions about health care politics, policy or legislation because of reaction from your patients, colleagues or administrators?
22. Will requiring individuals to purchase insurance result in improved access to actual medical care?

Repeal part or all of PPACA?
Prohibit government rationing of care?
Reforms to deliver medical care instead of "insuring" people?



These cannot be interpreted as "How does the ACA . . .?"

All of these questions relate to portions of the act and you know it.

Perhaps if you weren't so interested in apologising for the democratic party, you might have realised that I am not supporting this survey's accuracy or validity - just validating that it was indeed about the ACA and everyone who returned it read those questions the same way.