Obamacare: 83% of docs considered quitting

[CHNOPS]

GOOP was counting on a win in the Supremes. Losing means the argument that Obama has wasted years and dollars on something that wasn't going to happen, suddenly gets turned back on them. Since that forfeits the much of the financial argument, GOOP is trying to find the populist one.

The most direct populist argument is about access to health care itself. The GOOP can hardly try that one, since it's the argument in favor of HCR. So they're trying the next best approach: Obama is killing small business with his government take-over of good, hard-working Americans' private endeavors.

Polls have shifted out of favor of GOOP continuing to fight Obamacare; GOOP just hasn't caught up yet with a counter-strategy that will capture more than the base.

It's an ad hoc election-year approach that will only help the Dems in the long-run, and will likely fade away quickly as a result.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Those poor, poor doctors. How are they ever going to survive? Will their kids be forced to attend public schools??? The HORROR! It's... it's... By Gawd it's just damn unamerican!

http://shortwhitecoats.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/medscape-physician-salary-2012.jpg

 

[koalabear]

Those poor, poor doctors. How are they ever going to survive? Will their kids be forced to attend public schools??? The HORROR! It's... it's... By Gawd it's just damn unamerican!

http://shortwhitecoats.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/medscape-physician-salary-2012.jpg

Doctors will survive, you won't.

 

[CHNOPS]

Those poor, poor doctors. How are they ever going to survive? Will their kids be forced to attend public schools??? The HORROR! It's... it's... By Gawd it's just damn unamerican!

http://shortwhitecoats.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/medscape-physician-salary-2012.jpg

Exzactlee. (sp?)

 

[Wings]

Why is Gwenyth Paltrow affecting Obamacare?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Oh. A bill mill group conducted the survey.

Specifically, something called the Doctor Patient Medical Association.

The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform[1] and call themselves a "a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine."[2] The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation[3] and the "American Grassroots Coalition."[4]

Ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council

The DPMA is a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). DPMA Chair and Co-Founder, Kathryn Serkes, is on ALEC's Health and Human Services Task Force.[5]

Its founder, Kathryn Serkes, is also a veteran of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a small group of "conservative" quacks, cranks and fundamentalist zealots which likes to rail against such timeless evils as abortion, vaccination and the idea of universal health care coverage.[1]

Its website offers this ridiculous claim:

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a non-partisan professional association of physicians in all types of practices and specialties across the country. Since 1943, AAPS has been dedicated to the highest ethical standards of the Oath of Hippocrates and to preserving the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship and the practice of private medicine. Our motto, "omnia pro aegroto" means "all for the patient."[2]

It is listed as a quack organization by Quackwatch[3] and is sufficiently batshit insane to have retained Andrew Schlafly as its general counsel.

Office

Its physical address, 1601 N Tucson Blvd #9, Tucson AZ 85716, a suite in a medical center, is shared with the equally weird Doctors for Disaster Preparedness, the American Health Legal Foundation[4], the AAPS Educational Foundation (contact: Dr Jane Orient), Physicians for Civil Defense (contact: Dr Jane Orient)[5], the Southwestern Institute of Science (contact: Dr Jane Orient)[6] and the Southern Arizona Association for Play Therapy[7] (o_0). Must be one crowded office.

Activities

Many of these activities appear to violate their "Patient's Bill of Rights", which, among other things, states:

(the right) to refuse third-party interference in their medical care, and to be confident that their actions in seeking or declining medical care will not result in third-party-imposed penalties for patients or physicians

* AAPS files lawsuit against FDA to overturn approval of "Plan B" morning after pill for over the counter use by women over 18.[8]
* Fight against "Sham Peer Review": The AAPS recognizes "sham peer review" as an abusive use of such entities as hospital by-laws and disciplinary committees to exclude physicians for other-than legitimate or the explicitly-stated reasons.[9]
* Defense of a physician convicted of improper narcotic prescribing while operating a clinic to treat patients with chronic pain.[10]
* Fighting mandatory vaccination.[11]
* Fighting against mandated mental health parity,[12] which is advocated by the National Alliance on Mental Illness, American Medical Association,[13] the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.[14]
* Promoting contracting between physicians and patients without government or insurance company involvement.
* Fighting socialized and single-payer healthcare.[15]
* Fighting to debunk "Shaken baby syndrome", and to link it to vaccines rather than abuse.[16]
* Advocating for so-called "freedom of conscience" to allow pharmacists to refuse to fill lawful prescriptions.[17] This would appear to interfere with a patient's right "to refuse third party interference in their health care".
* Fighting abortion, not simply through moral objection, but also by attempting to link abortion to unrelated health problems,[18] including breast cancer.[19]
* Advocating against the sale of organs for transplant.[20]
* Advocating against organ donation in cases where brain death is unclear.[21]
* Advocating against withdrawal of care, as in the Terri Schiavo case,[22] including misrepresenting the results of autopsy in the case.[23]

Publications

The AAPS publishes the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JPANDS), until 2003 called the Medical Sentinel. The journal is not considered a valid, peer-reviewed journal for inclusion in major scientific databases, and has been listed by Quackwatch as "Fundamentally Flawed"[24]. An article in the "journal"[25] was used in 2008 to justify a petition against global warming.[26]

Members

Russell Blaylock, M.D., member of the editorial staff. Publishes the Blaylock Wellness Report. Flagged by Quackwatch,[27] among others.[28]
John Cooksey, M.D., former Republican congressman from Louisiana. Ran for the Senate in 2002 but lost in the GOP primary after controversy resulting from him comparing Middle Eastern turbans to "diapers fastened by fan belts."[29]
David McKalip, M.D., circulated a Photoshopped picture of Barack Obama as a witch-doctor with a bone through his nose, on a Tea Party mailing list.
Joseph Mercola, D.O., Runs Mercola.com. Flagged by Quackwatch.[30]
Ron Paul, erstwhile Republican Presidential candidate.
Rand Paul
Jane Orient, executive director, science fiction writer[31], signatory to A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism, and contact for many organisations operating out of the same office.

Conflicts

According to their literature:

AAPS members believe this patient-physician relationship must be protected from all forms of third-party intervention.

* The organization, a third party to the Schiavo case, interfered in the relationship between the patient's advocate and physicians, even helping to bring the power of the federal government to bear on a single medical case.
* AAPS advocates for so-called "freedom of conscience" where patients are denied legal drugs, treatments, and information based on the morals of the provider rather than the patient.
* AAPS views patient advance directives designed for dignity at the end-of-life as a financial plot to kill patients in order to save money.[32]

Quackery

The society's "journal" JPANDS has published an article on the supposed link between breast cancer and abortion.[33] It has been roundly debunked.[34][35][36] Near the end of the 2008 Presidential Election the "journal" published a claim that Barack Obama uses neuro-linguistic programming to exercise mind control over people at his rallies.[37]

On their website, former AAPS president Dr. Lawrence Huntoon describes peer review boards which review complaints against doctors as "an insidious and spreading evil which threatens to destroy not only the integrity of the medical profession but quality care for all patients."[38]

 

[miles]

Anyone who thinks doctors aren't discouraged to the point of quitting is a fucking moron.

Some of you people are detached from reality.

 

[TexasWife25]

Anyone who thinks doctors aren't discouraged to the point of quitting is a fucking moron.

Some of you people are detached from reality.

Thank you, I needed the laugh

 

[unregistered]

 

[JohnnySavage]

Johnny's liposuction and muscle implants must be getting more and more expensive.

You and VettePet believe that your betters deserve to be paid more than everyone else. Whereas I don't have any betters. Now run along wimpy.

 

[bronzeage]

Thank you, I needed the laugh

It has to be true. That news story was thoroughly Vetted.

 

[Wrong Element]

Anyone who thinks doctors aren't discouraged to the point of quitting is a fucking moron.

Some of you people are detached from reality.

The first half of your post proves that the second half of your post is all too true.

 

[koalabear]

You and VettePet believe that your betters deserve to be paid more than everyone else. Whereas I don't have any betters. Now run along wimpy.

Good, you can do your own surgery, moron.

 

[mercury14]

As a matter of fact, Congress votes to cut doctor compensation for Medicare quite often, then backs down when doctors say they won't take any more.

You have it backwards. There is a Medicare reimbursement cut scheduled by the Newt Gingrich congress that congress votes to postpone every year or two. But I've never seen the House or Senate just vote on a bill to cut Medicare payments. If you have I'd like to see it.

You have heard of doctors who refuse Medicare patients, and doctors that refuse to deal with insurance period.

Few doctors who serve the Elderly refuse Medicare.

A miniscule amount of doc refuse private insurance because so few patients can afford to pay cash for their services and medications. Stop blowing this out of proportion.

 

[mercury14]

Specifically, something called the Doctor Patient Medical Association.



Its founder, Kathryn Serkes, is also a veteran of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

I had to log off yesterday before looking into these groups. Thanks for the leg work.

Conservatives here will still think the thread title is accurate though. In fact they'll hold onto their mis-beliefs even more now. That's what facts do to them.

GOOP was counting on a win in the Supremes. Losing means the argument that Obama has wasted years and dollars on something that wasn't going to happen, suddenly gets turned back on them. Since that forfeits the much of the financial argument, GOOP is trying to find the populist one.

And when they fail to make a populist one, they lie and say they actually did.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Good, you can do your own surgery, moron.

At least you're man enough to take a shot at me without hiding behind your ignore button.

 

[monique1971]

Taking cash only might work for plastic surgery or bunion removal but I doubt it is going to pay for catastrophic illness or a high-risk pregnancy.

 

[mercury14]

Taking cash only might work for plastic surgery or bunion removal but I doubt it is going to pay for catastrophic illness or a high-risk pregnancy.

Or a low-risk pregnancy.

 

[RobDownSouth]

...Conservatives here will still think the thread title is accurate though. In fact they'll hold onto their mis-beliefs even more now. That's what facts do to them.

Conservatives don't care one whit about factual accuracy, or even the contents of this post. What matters most to them is having the talking point du jour in the title and bumping the thread to the front page as often as possible. Propaganda 101.

 

[about_average]

Taking cash only might work for plastic surgery or bunion removal but I doubt it is going to pay for catastrophic illness or a high-risk pregnancy.

No, and that's not what the majority are used for. Most are used just for routine stuff by people with no insurance, or people who have high deductible policies.
Some give you a choice, cash for one price, insurance for a different price.

In that sense they are no different than many other businesses. I know a number of businesses that are (literally) cash only.

As for the OP, the headline is laughable just on the face of it and anyone with half a brain would know the implication of it is not true, without even reading the article.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Anyone who thinks doctors aren't discouraged to the point of quitting is a fucking moron.

Some of you people are detached from reality.

Posting from Bizarro-World reality again, are you?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Boom Boom...out go the lights!

Specifically, something called the Doctor Patient Medical Association.



Its founder, Kathryn Serkes, is also a veteran of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

This post is one of the most awesome takedowns I have seen in 10+ years here at Lit.

KingOrfeo, on behalf of those firmly rooted in the reality-based world, I salute you.

 

[KingOrfeo]

This post is one of the most awesome takedowns I have seen in 10+ years here at Lit.

KingOrfeo, on behalf of those firmly rooted in the reality-based world, I salute you.

All credit to your friends RationalWiki and SourceWatch. Liticons, please do check your sources on both before posting.

 

[mustang200]

Well, let's see. 5 years ago, it cost a physician's practice $78.00 to see a patient for a regular "doctors visit" billed as a 99213. That was just to open the door, turn on the lights, pay the staff, and heat/cool the place. It did not include paying the physician anything for his/her services.

Medicare paid just $48.00 for that visit.

You do the math.

 

[Wok]

All credit to your friends RationalWiki and SourceWatch. Liticons, please do check your sources on both before posting.

To be fair, they do check their sources. They truly believe those sources contain information not found anywhere else due to the liberal media/Obama squelching.