What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Doin' right's got no end!
Cap'n Redlegs Terrill

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
CS Lewis

 

[mercury14]

It spoke of the devastation that your boy obama is doing he's a lot like you has ben is and always well be a failure.
Three and half years untold amount of money for what merc
higher taxes
Higher debt
Higher unemployment
Higher food prices
Take your hope and fucking change blow it out your ass.
We are in a hole so fucking deep what Japan ben going thru going to look like cakewalk.
Now add fucking obama care to ya buddy fuck it let's all party this ship called America fucked anyway

DEFLECT quick! Whatever you do, don't take responsibility for your failed predictions - EVER! Don't even acknowledge they exist!

http://www.umanitoba.ca/outreach/cm/vol12/no2/deflection.jpg

 

[mercury14]

Does that also not apply to the two or three guys who keep insisting that the economy is doing fine?

The guys for who every uptick, however slight, are over-joyed by the miracle of Obamanomics, an offshoot of Keynesian spending, a branch of the Fascist philosophy and a plundering so bold as to make the Pirates of Somalia blush in amateurish shame?

Name one person on Lit that keeps insisting that the economy is doing fine. Or are you just lying again?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

DEFLECT quick! Whatever you do, don't take responsibility for your failed predictions - EVER! Don't even acknowledge they exist!

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/wp-content/blogs.dir/24/files/2012/07/obama_unexpectedly_thumbnail_6-30-11-3.jpg

Speaking of failed predictions...

Where's the summer of recovery?

5.6% unemployment?

The good times?

 

[mercury14]

Speaking of failed predictions...

Where's the summer of recovery?

5.6% unemployment?

The good times?

Oh fuck a nut. Did you just reply to that post about deflecting by deflecting?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Name one person on Lit that keeps insisting that the economy is doing fine. Or are you just lying again?

That would be the opening post, several since then by various uninformed posters who parrot the party line, and your president.

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/wp-content/blogs.dir/24/files/2012/07/obama_unexpectedly_thumbnail_6-30-11-3.jpg

Deflect much?

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/files/2011/04/obama-wide-grin80.jpg
”’Shovel-ready’ was not as shovel-ready as we expected.” (Laughter)

 

[mercury14]

That would be the opening post, several since then by various uninformed posters who parrot the party line, and your president.

Oh so you can't name a single person.

By the way, Obama isn't on Lit as far as I know. You seem to think he is though. Can you link a few of his posts for us?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh fuck a nut. Did you just reply to that post about deflecting by deflecting?

Yes, it is an answer to your deflections.

You deflect every day now in the face of failure with angry hissing and serious charges.

You won't even try to make a case for a substantial recovery so your only alternative is to lash out in bitterness and impugn with religious ferocity...

It, the current economic state of affairs is just so, so..., so...,

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/wp-content/blogs.dir/24/files/2012/07/obama_unexpectedly_thumbnail_6-30-11-3.jpg

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh so you can't name a single person.

By the way, Obama isn't on Lit as far as I know. You seem to think he is though. Can you link a few of his posts for us?

*chuckle*

[voice=mercury14] Even though I'm pretty sure I've never used the word fine and I keep getting hung up on words like "disaster," I have on several occasions touted the fact that the economy is growing, even if slowly, and that the stimulus "saved" us from a depression...

... I'm hypocritical like that...



[/voice]

 

[mercury14]

Yes, it is an answer to your deflections.

Just because you said I deflected doesn't mean I did. You keep deflecting though and I quote you on it.

You deflect every day now in the face of failure with angry hissing and serious charges.

No dumbfuck, you constantly straw man me and I don't feel the need to defend a position I never took (and disagree with). That's not deflection, that's just you getting butthurt after you're exposed for being an irrational idiot.

You won't even try to make a case for a substantial recovery so your only alternative is to lash out in bitterness and impugn with religious ferocity...

I've clearly laid out how the recovery has been compared to where we are now. I've linked GDP, job changes, layoffs, unemployment numbers now versus then. You don't like the fact that I undeniably proved that there's been a recovery (even if it's currently a tepid one). Your only response has been irrational hyperbole, straw men, and ad hominem.

 

[mercury14]

*chuckle*

[voice=mercury14] Even though I'm pretty sure I've never used the word fine and I keep getting hung up on words like "disaster," I have on several occasions touted the fact that the economy is growing, even if slowly, and that the stimulus "saved" us from a depression...

... I'm hypocritical like that...



[/voice]

And here you are putting words into people's mouths. Because you know if you argue in rational terms you lose. Although I'm not 100% sure of that because you've never tried the whole rationality thing.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And here you are putting words into people's mouths. Because you know if you argue in rational terms you lose. Although I'm not 100% sure of that because you've never tried rationality.

wah wah wah wah

The doktor is in, get yer wooden nickels out, now he's going to claim he's never been a cheerleader for the economy...

I guess he's trying a night job with a two-drink minimum now.

Tip Ilene!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The last time the economy went this long at 8% unemplyment was the Depression and the Democrats were in charge then to and their answer was spend baby spend, just like today.

Stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting different results...

 

[mercury14]

wah wah wah wah

The doktor is in, get yer wooden nickels out, now he's going to claim he's never been a cheerleader for the economy...

I guess he's trying a night job with a two-drink minimum now.

Tip Ilene!

I call you on arguing via illogical fallacy and you channel busybody. Because that makes you sound good.

 

[mercury14]

The last time the economy went this long at 8% unemplyment was the Depression and the Democrats were in charge then to and their answer was spend baby spend, just like today.

Stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting different results...

Yeah because the result was that never came out of the Great Depression.

But whatever you need to do to change the subject. Spew baby spew! Time for a C&P.

 

[mercury14]

That would be the opening post, several since then by various uninformed posters who parrot the party line, and your president.

Still waiting for you to link posts with these people posting on Lit that the economy is doing fine. Show names and links please. There are "several" according to you, so I'm sure you'll have no problem linking them for us.

BTW, Obama is "your" president too. Your nationality is American, not "Republican", right? Right, bro?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No real recovery?

WTF?

Do you know where we've been?

In the summer of 2010 we were recovering in terms of GDP, the Dow was up 4000 points, and we were adding about 100k jobs per month instead of losing 600k. What part of this doesn't sound like a recovery to you?

This is how this thread reads:


LW: Hey, they economy is adding +130k to +200k jobs per month. That's better than -600k jobs per month. Things seem to be looking up.

RW: No it's not! That's just partisan spin! Oh and the market is collapsing today because of left wing policies.

LW: The Dow is down .08 and the NASDAQ is actually up.

RW: *silence as the next day dawns* Okay today is the day the market will crash.

LW: The Dow is -43% and NASDAQ is -23%.

RW: *silence* Well the price of oil dropped.

LW: That's a bad thing? I thought you were attacking Obama for it's high price just a minute ago.

RW: *silence* The percentage of people wanting to work dropped. It's Obama's fault. People are too discouraged to work because of him!

LW: Here's some market analysis linking that to the retirement of the baby boomers. And also here's some data on discouraged workers. As you can see their numbers are holding steady and decreasing as a percentage of the overall population when you account for the population increase.

RW: *no response*

LW: No response?

RW: You're partisan since you're referencing market research instead of right wing political pundits.

LW:

Just a sample of you touting the economy...

When do we get to 7% unemployment?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

For more than three years, Barack Obama has whined about having inherited a bad economy whenever data shows the consistent stagnation wrought by his economic policies. Regardless of how bad the recession is, Obamanomics has produced the worst recovery in the post-World War II period, as the data from the Minneapolis Federal Reserve shows (see update below):

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/07/07/stop-with-the-i-inherited-a-bad-economy-excuse-says/

Everyone understands just how bad the recession was. That was four years ago. The recovery began more than three years ago, and it hasn’t dented the real jobless numbers — the millions who no longer bother looking for work, the millions who have fled into disability just to keep some food on the table, and the millions of young Americans who will be joining the workforce and finding no gainful employment.

The time for whining and excuses passed a long time ago; an adept politician would have realized that after the 2010 midterm elections. If Obama plans to campaign on the “I inherited a bad economy” throughout this election, he’s not just going to lose the middle, he’s going to end up losing people like Reich, too. And that will mean someone else will inherit the Obama economy in 2013, and will do a much better job with it … and we’ll be able to stop the whining.

 

[BotanyBoy]

MERC! HEY YOU!!...

Just a question, do you ever actually argue any point's or are you just one of those trolls that will ONLY dissect and criticize semantics, logic and dance around the actual message others are trying to communicate without ever really saying anything of any value?

I mean if you are trying to be a troll then kudos....people who study communications, logic and philosophy are truly the elite trolls of the world, but they are still trolls.

So what is it?

A) Are you a partisan hack claiming the economy is booming due to the savior Obama and his magical economic prowess?

B) Are you like most people who have their heads out of their ass and that think we only stopped the tail spin, and despite a SLIGHT improvement the economy is pretty stagnant and not really going anywhere at the moment?

C) are you a righty hack who thinks the sky is falling and the only way to fix it is to put anything with an R in front of it's name in office?

D) are you just formally educated in the ways of the troll and use lit to keep the skills sharp?

Just pick a letter that best applies to you....and feel free to convey or explain any of your stances on the current economic situation.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

MERC! HEY YOU!!...

Just a question, do you ever actually argue any point's or are you just one of those trolls that will ONLY dissect and criticize semantics, logic and dance around the actual message others are trying to communicate without ever really saying anything of any value?

I mean if you are trying to be a troll then kudos....people who study communications, logic and philosophy are truly the elite trolls of the world, but they are still trolls.

So what is it?

Are you a partisan hack claiming the economy is booming due to the savior Obama and his magical economic prowess?

Are you like most people who have their heads out of their ass and that think we only stopped the tail spin, and despite a SLIGHT improvement the economy is for all intents and purposes sitting at top dead center and not really going anywhere at the moment?

Or are you a righty hack who thinks the sky is falling and the only way to fix it is to put anything with an R in front of it's name in office?

*chuckle*

If you search on his posts then you are right, it's about 100:1...

 

[BotanyBoy]

*chuckle*

If you search on his posts then you are right, it's about 100:1...

Bet the farm he won't reply.....

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Something the media won't be able to spin, though, is that even though ObamaCare is a job killer in the private sector, it's a boon for federal employees who enjoy the kind of health and pension benefits you and I can only dream of -- specifically IRS agents.

How many, exactly? Numbers range from 2,700 to 16,500:

The IRS says it is well on its way to gearing up for the new law but has offered little information about its long-term budget and staffing needs, generating complaints from Republican lawmakers and concern from government watchdogs.

The IRS is expected to spend $881 million on the law from 2010 through 2013, hiring more than 2,700 new workers and upgrading its computer systems. But the IRS has not made public information about its spending plans in the following years, when the bulk of the health care law takes effect.

The lack of information makes it impossible to determine whether the IRS will have adequate workers to enforce the health care law, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration said in a report three weeks ago. The report, however, concluded that "appropriate plans had been developed to implement tax-related provisions" of the law.

In 2010, House Ways and Means Committee Republicans issued a report saying the IRS may need as many as 16,500 additional auditors, agents and other employees "to investigate and collect billions in new taxes from Americans."

That assessment has been widely cited by opponents of the law. The IRS disputes the jobs number but hasn't offered another one.

Well, it's good to know ObamaCare is creating jobs somewhere.

Remember? Passing Obamacare was going to boost the economy...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/07/ObamaCare-Irs-Agents

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Bet the farm he won't reply.....

Oh yes he will!

Spin, deny, deflect, cry about "context..."



But, oh yeah, he's going to have some angry words. It's like when he dared me to prove that Democrats were anti-Capitalist and I started quoting them and pointing out the anti-Bain rhetoric and the embrace of OWS...

It was nothing but a pack of rw lies that didn't prove, for a second, that Democrats were anything but the staunchest supporters of Capitalism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh yes he will!

Spin, deny, deflect, cry about "context..."



But, oh yeah, he's going to have some angry words. It's like when he dared me to prove that Democrats were anti-Capitalist and I started quoting them and pointing out the anti-Bain rhetoric and the embrace of OWS...

It was nothing but a pack of rw lies that didn't prove, for a second, that Democrats were anything but the staunchest supporters of Capitalism.

True, I should have phrased that comment better.

He won't answer the question, which will just prove my point. So he either has to ignore it, dance another jig proving he is just a troll, or take a stance. No matter what he does I win.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Why Obama simply cannot create jobs

(because he has to reward CAPITALISM and his peeps won't have any o' dat!)

On the campaign trail Barack Obama is taking care to hit all the right chords on job creation. But, when its feet were held to the fire this year, the Administration sided with special interests and the environmental lobby instead of providing Americans with surefire jobs.

Last year, the Obama Administration seemingly stood up to the environmental lobby by allowing leases for oil exploration in the Alaskan Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) to move forward. This was welcome news for Shell, which is looking to open exploratory wells in the Chukchi and Beaufort Seas this summer, and for over 50,000 American workers that would see long-term jobs come out of Alaskan oil exploration.

In turn, America would get approximately 700,000 barrels of domestically-produced oil per day for at least 40 years. And this is only a fraction of the oil that could lie under the surface in the Arctic. The U.S. Geological Survey estimated in a 2008 study that the Arctic holds 90 billion barrels of oil and 1,669 trillion cubic feet of natural gas – roughly 22 percent of the world’s undiscovered oil supply.

But, the Administration’s pro-jobs decision angered big donors and friends within the fringe environmental lobby, who weren't about to let it happen again - especially not in an election year. The Keystone Pipeline didn’t stand a chance as political concerns outweighed good domestic and foreign policy.

Now, though, the re-energized environmental lobby is pressuring the Administration to drag its feet on the OCS exploration. At the heart of the environmental lobby’s argument is a false choice between economic development and environmental preservation. In fact, Shell’s efforts to advance scientific understanding of the Arctic’s oceans, wildlife and coastal areas has been praised by the Alaska SeaLife Center, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and Obama’s Department of the Interior.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/07/Administration-Caving-to-Fringe

It's always talk the talk, but then you back walk the walk...