Obama Care, How Will Be Judged On Thursday?

[Saint Peter]

:Kleenex:

 

[Byron In Exile]

I just looked at the IRS enforcement powers for the mandate-tax, and it seems clear that IRS cant do much. Theres an 18 month grace period before IRS can even assess your obligation, per event. IRS cant jail you, cant garnish your pay, cant confiscate your assets. All thats left is phone harassment, and maybe a lien, but it doesnt specify what gets liened or if it will lien you.

Prolly just nasty bill-collectors calling all the time.

If that were true, the government would never see a dime from it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

No, actually, most Americans do feel like I do.

And that's how this ruling could turn around and bite your hero Obama in the ass.

Most Americans love the individual components, they just don't like the individual mandate that makes the other components affordable.

The law is simply making you take personal responsibility for your own health care, and that seems to be what you have a problem with.

 

[Saint Peter]

And not those cheap, government health care Kleenex.

I am talking about the soft, thick, takes tons of trees to make good Kleenex!

The last think we need around here is for you boys to get chaffed noses. And cocks.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Roberts entire opinion seems pretty clear and particular. He took pains to discredit all of Ginzburgs senile rants. He made a point of admonishing her for using obscure and rare definitions that didnt exist at the time the Constitution was framed.

Looks like Roberts handed the assclowns turtle shell but no turtle meat.

Ginsburg seems perpetually confused.

 

[RobDownSouth]

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/...minent-republicans-selling-out-conservatives/

That's right, AJ, shake your pudgy fist in rage.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Of course they can, it is the same as any other tax. You either pay it or they can begin the standard collection regimen, up to and including forfeiture of property, wages or freedom. They need only pass a single amendment granting enforcement of the tax to IRS (and probably do not even need pass it as IRS already has enforcement power for all federal taxation and USSC just turned this penalty into a tax).

I expect that the IRS will have to make a new 1040 form: health insurance premiums paid will be listed on Line 43 and the tax amount (as set by the law) will be listed on Line 44. If Line 43 is greater than 0, then tax owed is 0, if line 43 is 0, then tax owed is line 44. Very simple (and eventually, they can add in some simple math and if Line 43 is smaller than Line 44, you will have to pay the difference (so that nobody pays less for health insurance than the tax would require if they had no insurance).

The enforcement won't happen immediately, but it will happen.

Gods dammit.

I could swear I know you from somewhere...

 

[Byron In Exile]

:Kleenex:

You have sads about the ruling?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Are you daft, or are you just clowning around?

There's just one number at the bottom line on your 1040 form, and that's what you owe the IRS.

Try not paying it sometime, and then get back to me, if they let you make calls from prison.

If you really think that the IRS is gonna imprison you for not paying the $95 (2014) non-compliance penalty, you are even stupider than I thought, and that's quite an accomplishment.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Most Americans love the individual components, they just don't like the individual mandate that makes the other components affordable.

The law is simply making you take personal responsibility for your own health care, and that seems to be what you have a problem with.

I have no problem with that, Rob: I've done it already.

I've taken responsibility for my own health care.

And now, I'm going to be fined for doing just that.

 

[Saint Peter]

You have sads about the ruling?

I do not.

Companies cut more and more benefits from their employees everyday. We need a safety net to keep the vulnerable members of our society safe and healthy.

If Big Money is for something, I am against it. Big Money and Pete have very little in common.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I have no problem with that, Rob: I've done it already.

I've taken responsibility for my own health care.

And now, I'm going to be fined for doing just that.

But you're not getting the salient point of the ranting.

The Joy in the thing is Throb and his Democrat buds forcing their morality upon you.




It's their religious duty.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I have no problem with that, Rob: I've done it already.

I've taken responsibility for my own health care.

And now, I'm going to be fined for doing just that.

How very sad that you choose not to follow the law of the United States.

Have you ever considered relocating to the libertarian paradise of Somalia, perhaps? I'm sure they could find great use for your many talents!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I do not.

Companies cut more and more benefits from their employees everyday. We need a safety net to keep the vulnerable members of our society safe and healthy.

If Big Money is for something, I am against it. Big Money and Pete have very little in common.

Evil business!


Bad business...


Government is your ☺

 

[RobDownSouth]

But you're not getting the salient point of the ranting.

The Joy in the thing is Throb and his Democrat buds forcing their morality upon you.

It's their religious duty.

Oooh, AJ, who wants to force his anti-abortion morality on women, lecturin' others on imposing morality. The irony is palpable!

DERP!

 

[Byron In Exile]

If you really think that the IRS is gonna imprison you for not paying the $95 (2014) non-compliance penalty, you are even stupider than I thought, and that's quite an accomplishment.

$95??? Are you fucking joking, here?

That's nothing. Where on earth did you get that ridiculously small number?

But... it doesn't matter. Even in your warped universe, yes. If you refuse to pay $95 that you owe the IRS, you will begin a process which, within a few years, will end with you in prison.

The IRS will not dance with you. They do not fuck around.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The fine will grow because it won't bring in enough to cover all the dropping of benefits by big, evil business and then there's the cost of covering the children, the indigent, the unemployed, the illegal, the union worker, the government worker, the preexisting conditions, the self-medicated, the dying, because there's no death panels and no rationing of care, unlike evil insurance, gawd why won't they just go out of business and save us the trouble so we can get to single payer and save some real money...

 

[mercury14]

But you're not getting the salient point of the ranting.

The Joy in the thing is Throb and his Democrat buds forcing their morality upon you.




It's their religious duty.

Yeap, we believe that a humane, ethical society gives its people access to health care regardless as to their socioeconomic status. Or the status of their health. We don't believe that families should be cast into financial ruin when their kid gets sick. Our way is best and we won.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I do not.

Companies cut more and more benefits from their employees everyday. We need a safety net to keep the vulnerable members of our society safe and healthy.

If Big Money is for something, I am against it. Big Money and Pete have very little in common.

Well, Big Money is all over Obamacare like a giant slime beast.

Even as a Libertarian, I know that the safety net you mean is important. Maybe we just need an honest-to-gods revolution, and see if some intelligent people can rise up after the carnage and set things right.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Ginsburg seems perpetually confused.

Ginzburg is the Courts cripple quota.

 

[Byron In Exile]

The fine will grow because

You can stop right there, and make it perfect.

The fine will grow: just because.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yeap, we believe that a humane, ethical society gives its people access to health care regardless as to their socioeconomic status. Or the status of their health. We don't believe that families should be cast into financial ruin when their kid gets sick. Our way is best and we won.

No, you still have to raise the taxes to pay for it.

That niggardly fine isn't going to do the trick.

When you've soaked the rich to pay for it, then you will have WON!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You can stop right there, and make it perfect.

The fine will grow: just because.

Exactly!

It will have to, just because.

It makes a great campaign slogan!

THEY aren't paying enough to keep you in benefit!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yeap, we believe that a humane, ethical society gives its people access to health care regardless as to their socioeconomic status. Or the status of their health. We don't believe that families should be cast into financial ruin when their kid gets sick. Our way is best and we won.

We did win, but there were some casualties along the way.

Poor Byron is going to have to take personal resposibility for himself now.

Poor AJ is going to find that importing a Chinese "daughter" has insurance costs he never dreamed of having to pay.

 

[mercury14]

The fine will grow because it won't bring in enough to cover all the dropping of benefits by big, evil business and then there's the cost of covering the children, the indigent, the unemployed, the illegal, the union worker, the government worker, the preexisting conditions, the self-medicated, the dying, because there's no death panels and no rationing of care, unlike evil insurance, gawd why won't they just go out of business and save us the trouble so we can get to single payer and save some real money...

HEALTHCARE STOCKS TANKED YESTERDAY ON NEWS OF OBABACARE BEING UNEXPECTEDLY UPHELD, JUST AS CONSERVATIVES PREDICTED!!!









Oh wait, my mistake, no they didn't. And they're all way up in pre-trading right now. Let's hear your explanation for this AJ. SPIN IT BABY, SPIN IT!!!