Obama Care, How Will Be Judged On Thursday?

[HB1965]

I researched the Heritage author and came up with the following video link to his explanation:

http://www.heritage.org/multimedia/video/2012/03/butler-fnc-3-28-12

I will grant you he entertained the idea, within parameters at the time that defined the mandate in different ways than they do now and consisting of conditions totally different than what Obama Care now requires.

He also explains he hasn't supported the idea for over a decade. The interview however didn't explain to my satisfaction why he thought it might or might not be constitutional.

So, I will grant to you the premise that Republicans, as represented by at least Butler, entertained the idea of an individual mandate; but the idea it originated with them is an unproved lie, as for a hundred years the idea of universal health care has been a Communist and Democrat Party goal.

So back to reality, Obamacare got no present Republican support, the Democrats own it and they own the political consequences that are sure to follow.

Obama care does not equal unversal healthcare and it's not meant to. You're overlooking a great deal by focusing on Butler. He was only one person involved. If you look at the article above the Heritage Foundation continued to support the idea as late as 2006. They were instrumental in bringing MassHealth to Massachusetts. We've been living Obamacare here since 2007 thanks to old Mitt who proposed MassHealth as a compromise to prevent the Dems from bringing in single payer healthcare.

 

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[HB1965]

I didn't have the time dear. I regularly read the Heritage Foundation and never found such a sympathy for an individual mandate, so naturally I picked him out and looked it up.

We can't afford what we have now, let alone the Utopian program you support. 70% of the population are against this law because they know it will break the nation.

Obviously you haven't been paying that close attention to anything I've posted tonight. You've only focused on the things that appear to go against what you believe in. I never said I support Obamacare and a few posts back I actually said that I absolutely did not support Individual Mandate. What I'm trying to point out to you is that it's bit hypocritical of your Rep idols to say they are against IM when it was one of their think tanks that came up with it. In fact the model for Obamacare was a Rep plan.

Oh and you might want to read this online article by yours and BB's favorite news channel:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...re-insurance-mandate-has-long-checkered-past/

 

[BotanyBoy]

We can't afford what we have now, let alone the Utopian program you support. 70% of the population are against this law because they know it will break the nation.

So what? we are already broken....fucking mexico wont even accept our money anymore. Let them spend it all, rip the bandaid off and let their delusional dream of magic money they can just spend like a 16 y/o girl on rodeo with her daddies credit card collapse on them. People like you and I will survive just fine...the welfare nation that can't make it without government assistance however will be super fucked. Let them do it....get it over with.

 

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[phrodeau]

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Obama's imperial dismantling of American culture won't stop with medical care if he's re-elected.

I sure hope not. There's quite a bit of "American culture" that needs dismantling.

 

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[busybody..]

And busybody will shit in this post in 5...4...3...2...

Clearly you are not understanding


When the WHITE guy does something its OK

When the BLACK does the EXACT SAME THING, we have to shit all over him


Is that hard to understand?















































































you know

sorta like Gonzalez and Holder

DUMMY

You think ALL AAPLES are the same? NO,

BIG DUMMY

 

[Liar]

Obama's imperial dismantling of American culture won't stop with medical care if he's re-elected. Romney was weak today. This was his chance to shine, to electrify the base, were you electrified? We need a pit bull terrier to counter the army of pit bull terriers on the other side. maybe the base has to kick Romney in the fucking ass and get him going. I wrote him today and told him to get off his ass and fire up the troops, he's too damn timid.

I'm sort of surprised by Romney's approach to a lot in this campaign. Combatitive when no onr cares and milquetoast when he coulda scored big points. Whether ppl agree with him or not, many say that he's a polished politician and slick campaigner. I've yet to see any evidence of that.

 

[mercury14]

Obviously you haven't been paying that close attention to anything I've posted tonight. You've only focused on the things that appear to go against what you believe in. I never said I support Obamacare and a few posts back I actually said that I absolutely did not support Individual Mandate. What I'm trying to point out to you is that it's bit hypocritical of your Rep idols to say they are against IM when it was one of their think tanks that came up with it. In fact the model for Obamacare was a Rep plan.

Oh and you might want to read this online article by yours and BB's favorite news channel:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...re-insurance-mandate-has-long-checkered-past/

It's also shockingly hypocritical for Repubs to say we can't afford it when it costs about the same as their very own Medicare Part-D.

 

[mercury14]

Obama's imperial dismantling of American culture won't stop with medical care if he's re-elected. Romney was weak today. This was his chance to shine, to electrify the base, were you electrified? We need a pit bull terrier to counter the army of pit bull terriers on the other side. maybe the base has to kick Romney in the fucking ass and get him going. I wrote him today and told him to get off his ass and fire up the troops, he's too damn timid.

It gets back to our point that there's far too much money in politics. Mitt won the nomination because he outspent his competition by like 7 to 1. Negative ads work. He's a weak conservative and a weak candidate in general but presidential nominations and probably the Oval Office can be bought.

 

[mercury14]

Kewl, we haven't seen the "16,000 new IRS agent" Republican talking point around here in months!

Armed agents bro.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Obviously you haven't been paying that close attention to anything I've posted tonight. You've only focused on the things that appear to go against what you believe in.

How is this different from any other day in the life of the Vettebigot?

What people believed years ago and came to understand differently really has no bearing on events today.

But...but...Republicans freed the slaves!

And Republicans passed teh Civil Rights Act (sic)!

You might need an army to keep yourself from being dismantled in the process.

Goin' Galt on us, sissy?
https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/425508_414571775251679_442803805_n.jpg

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That sounds like a shitload of wishful thinking. If he wanted to send a message, he could have said "NO". He is the Chief Justice, ya know?

I got the ACA outcome right when everyone on Earth was certain ObamaCare would fail. I read Roberts opinion, and I read the dissents.

Whatever wishful thinking I entertain is entirely for ObamaCare to go away. But looking at what ObamaCare now is, is cause for optimism and a sense that we dodged a bullet.

The dissents assert that Roberts created a mess changing PENALTY to TAX. He did. Congress must change the wording of ACA and line its ducks up in a row. Its an opportunity for GOP mischief and endless quarreling with Obama. Roberts tossed a dead cat into the White House sanctuary. Obama was already on record forecasting how his 2nd term will be used to fix ObamaCare. Barack knew the dead cat was coming, and now voters know. Voters want the economy fixed, Obama will be busy with ACA.

Virtually no one sees how Roberts closed the door on Commerce Clause tyranny. Congress cant use the Commerce Clause to slither around its enumerated powers or the 10th Amendment. ObamaCare is a bag of taxes, and Roberts called a spade a spade. Taxing & spending is an enumerated power. MANDATE is now the word for MORE TAXES, PLEASE.

Roberts is also correct that Barack and the Democrats can and did enact ACA. They have an enumerated power to do what they did. I dont have to like it, I dont gotta think its kewl, and I dont gotta have a high opinion of the assclowns who elected Obama and Pelosi. A simple NO woulda given the assclowns a bloody flag for the election, what they got was a bag of shit to try and fix.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Section 1501 of the law clearly states the mandate is "essential" to the law functioning in the manner Congress intended.

And, it still does.

As I tried to warn you.


The only pleasant surprise was Justice Kennedy.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm sort of surprised by Romney's approach to a lot in this campaign. Combatitive when no onr cares and milquetoast when he coulda scored big points. Whether ppl agree with him or not, many say that he's a polished politician and slick campaigner. I've yet to see any evidence of that.

Romneys a dud and a drone and hung like a hamster. He's Mister Whipple.

 

[RobDownSouth]

And, it still does.
As I tried to warn you.
The only pleasant surprise was Justice Kennedy.

Actually, teh "pleasant surprise" was Chief Justice Roberts.
I didn't believe he'd actually put Constitutional principle above party politics.
A very pleasant surprise.

Here's a "non-surprise" quote from Glibertarian Rand Paul
""Just because a couple of people on the Supreme Court declare something to be 'constitutional' does not make it so."

 

[RobDownSouth]

I'm sort of surprised by Romney's approach to a lot in this campaign. Combatitive when no onr cares and milquetoast when he coulda scored big points. Whether ppl agree with him or not, many say that he's a polished politician and slick campaigner. I've yet to see any evidence of that.

ABC summed it up nicely in a headline: A Supreme Court rules, and a candidate hides.

Romney is like AJ, doin' whatever it takes to avoid specifics.

 

[Byron In Exile]

We live in a post-constitutional America because you have to pay a tax penalty for failing to be responsible for your own health care?

Piffle.

I can be responsible for my own health care without buying "health insurance."

Why should I have to pay a penalty for being self-sufficient?

 

[mercury14]

I didn't have the time dear. I regularly read the Heritage Foundation and never found such a sympathy for an individual mandate, so naturally I picked him out and looked it up.

We can't afford what we have now, let alone the Utopian program you support. 70% of the population are against this law because they know it will break the nation.

About a third of Republicans oppose it because it doesn't go far enough.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I can be responsible for my own health care without buying "health insurance."

Why should I have to pay a penalty for being self-sufficient?

Everyone is going to engage in housing and everyone is going to engage in eating and everyone is going to engage in education, so if you don't do ANY of these the way King George wants you to, he can tax you.

If you don't like it don't vote for Democrats.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Two and one-half percent is the 2016 figure. But ObamaCare has problems that must be corrected to conform with the Courts standards:

I read Roberts opinion, he says Congress has an enumerated power to tax, and construes the penalty as a tax, but he also throws out the penalty as illegal because Congress expressly decriminalizes the act of not buying insurance; the IRS cant throw you in jail or penalize you. So Congress must correct the law's language to conform to Roberts standard. And that places the 'tax' exactly where I say it is, cuz so far only Roberts sez its a tax, the penalty in the law being illegal.

Can you clarify this?

Obviously, the IRS will put you in jail if you refuse to pay the penalty for not purchasing health insurance...

 

[RobDownSouth]

I can be responsible for my own health care without buying "health insurance."

Why should I have to pay a penalty for being self-sufficient?

Yeah, yeah, we know you're invincible, cupcake.

Many guys think that when they're young. Most of 'em, thankfully, outgrow that phase.

 

[mercury14]

I can be responsible for my own health care without buying "health insurance."

Why should I have to pay a penalty for being self-sufficient?

So you don't want your taxes to go for things you don't want? Boo-fucking-hoo.

Join the fucking club.