Obama Care, How Will Be Judged On Thursday?

[tactful]

So the IRS will soon be hiring, Obama has finally created some jobs, that has to be about a thousand CPA's off the unemployment line, and only a few more to go.

 

[RobDownSouth]

So the IRS will soon be hiring, Obama has finally created some jobs, that has to be about a thousand CPA's off the unemployment line, and only a few more to go.

Kewl, we haven't seen the "16,000 new IRS agent" Republican talking point around here in months!

 

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[HB1965]

Funny not a single Pub voted for it.

Great job cutting out the important part! They didn't vote for it because ObamaCare came from the Dems. Had it come from a Repo they would have been all over it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Funny not a single Pub voted for it.

The best example of "Party first, Country second" we'll see this decade.

 

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[HB1965]

No they wouldn't, that's a lie. Most of them argued it's unconstitutionality and economic unsustainability from the get go.

From the get go when? In 1986 or 1993 when they were originally trying to get some version of it with the Individual Mandate?

 

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[IndieSnob]

After the outright lie in the second sentence, there was no need to go any further dear.

Is a lie anything like stating that you automatically got health care for life after only working one month for the city of Stockton?

That's a mighty big foot you have in your mouth.

I know, it's been a hard day for your, pookiekins.

 

[Wrong Element]

No they wouldn't, that's a lie. Most of them argued it's unconstitutionality and economic unsustainability from the get go.

"I believe that there is a bipartisan consensus to have individual mandates." Charles Grassley, 2009.

The word "consensus" implies that it had significant Republican support, possibly even majority support. This was before they decided to take down Obamacare by any means necessary, and figured the most unpopular part of the plan was the easiest part to attack.

So, you know: Wrong.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's unlikely to hurt jobs at all.

Except they aren't real jobs...they do nothing to generate money, in fact their job is to go take money from the very people providing them a paycheck......it's a fucking welfare program.

 

[HB1965]

No law comparable to the ACA would have emerged from any Republican Congress, period.

Repo health care reform act of 1993
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/february/23/gop-1993-health-reform-bill.aspx

Breakdown of similarities to Obamacare including individual mandate:

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/graphics/2010/022310-bill-comparison.aspx

After the outright lie in the second sentence, there was no need to go any further dear.

Sorry not a lie. Individual Mandate is a product of the Heritage Foundation, a Repo think tank.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa565.pdf

The Heritage
Foundation has supported such a mandate
for more than a decade. Senate Majority
Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) has expressed general
support for the idea. Articles favoring an
individual mandate have been featured in the
Weekly Standard. Ron Bailey endorsed the
concept on the libertarian website, Reason.
com. Perhaps the latest such proposal comes
from Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, an
expected Republican candidate for president

The Heritage Foundation first spelled out the
details of its proposal in 1994. Stuart Butler, “The
Heritage Foundation Proposal,” presentation to a
Heritage Foundation conference on “Is Tax Reform
the Key to Health Care Reform?” Heritage Lecture
no. 298, October 23, 1990. However, it has reaffirmed
its support for an individual mandate as
recently as 2003. Stuart Butler, “Laying the
Groundwork for Universal Health Care Coverage,”
Testimony before the Senate Special Committee on
Aging, March 10, 2003. In addition, the Heritage
Foundation hosted a forum for Governor Romney
this year (2006), during which they implied support.

This was from an article written AGAINST individual mandate.

 

[koalabear]

Oblamer's fate is sealed.

 

[HB1965]

Oblamer's fate is sealed.

Gary Johnson 2012

 

[renard_ruse]

From the get go when? In 1986 or 1993 when they were originally trying to get some version of it with the Individual Mandate?

And you support it because it came from Messiah Barack? Isn't that just as partisan?

The fact is, I will never understand how a single person of any political persuation could support a law telling people they have to buy something they don't want just in order to live in the country? Putting all partisan rah-rah-ism aside do you not feel that this is a violation of basic individual liberty?

 

[renard_ruse]

If you think the mandate isn't tyrannical enough, hopefully at least this will get your attention:

...One proposed departmental rule deals with what may become a centralized database containing patient medical records and pharmaceutical claim information...

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...amacare-looks-to-collect-private-medical-info

 

[koalabear]

Gary Johnson 2012

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[HB1965]

And you support it because it came from Messiah Barack? Isn't that just as partisan?

The fact is, I will never understand how a single person of any political persuation could support a law telling people they have to buy something they don't want just in order to live in the country? Putting all partisan rah-rah-ism aside do you not feel that this is a violation of basic individual liberty?

Wow you're making a big assumption. I'm a Libertarian. I absolutely don't support it. My point to vetteman and friends is that you can sit here and moan all day but Individual Mandate exists because their party brought it into play.

 

[renard_ruse]

You know how you can tell the Righties are all curled up in a corner with a bottle of rum whimpering? Holder was indicted for contempt of Congress, 108 Democrats walked out of Congress and in the eyes of many look like bitches and there isn't a RWCJ for it.

What does making people buy something they don't want to buy just to live in a country have to do with ideology or partisanship? Is it not an issue of fundamental liberty?

I believe this can honestly be called a "poll tax." We now have a tax just for being alive. Is that not a concern to you?

 

[renard_ruse]

Wow you're making a big assumption. I'm a Libertarian. I absolutely don't support it. My point to vetteman and friends is that you can sit here and moan all day but Individual Mandate exists because their party brought it into play.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[HB1965]

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Laugh all you want, fuzzball. Johnson's going to get more votes than any Libertarian Presidental candidate in history

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

No Problem

 

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[BotanyBoy]

What does making people buy something they don't want to buy just to live in a country have to do with ideology or partisanship? Is it not an issue of fundamental liberty?

I believe this can honestly be called a "poll tax." We now have a tax just for being alive. Is that not a concern to you?

I get what you are saying...and I hate obama care just as much. But here is the bottom line you ready for this?

Big companies bought off our gov. and they are going to make a fucking shit load of money from cream skimming obama care just like they have been doing to our other programs for years and someone has to pay the inflated bill regardless of what legislation is in place.

Because one day you will need health care, and I doubt you will be able to pay the cost out of pocket, few people can. So you get your own insurance or pay the tax...shit has to get paid for man that's the bottom fucking line. That ambulance isn't free when you have a heart attack and neither is the 100,000 dollar triple bypass you get that saves your life but I bet you still dial 911 insured or not. So be a responsible citizen and get your own insurance or pay the tax for when you need that HC.

 

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