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here you go NIGGER POOP



Emails: White House worked with health industry to send business to Axelrod’s firm


Published: 11:28 PM 06/27/2012





By Alex Pappas



David Axelrod, a strategist for President Obama, addresses a crowd in front of the Statehouse, in Boston Thursday, May 31, 2012. (AP Photo/Steven Senne)



The charge that the Obama administration coordinated with the health-care industry in 2009 during the Obamacare fight to send a good chunk of business to the consulting firm founded by presidential adviser David Axelrod has resurfaced in the news media.

At issue is whether the White House worked with officials inside the industry to form the outside group, “Healthy Economy Now,” which ran pro-Obamacare ads with the help of Axelrod’s former political consulting firm, AKPD Message and Media.

In 2009, the firm not only still employed Axelrod’s son, but it still owed the presidential adviser money as part of his buy-out deal with the firm ahead of leaving to work in the White House.

New details have emerged with the House Energy and Commerce Committee recently releasing a barrage of emails showing communications between the administration and the industry sent ahead of the push for Obama’s health care overhaul.

The emails — which have been reviewed by The Daily Caller — include the revelation that the AKPD consultants were being described as “[White House] WH-designated folks.”

“They have been put in charge of the campaign to pass health reform,” Pharmaceutical Research and Manufactures of America (PhRMA) consultant Steve McMahon wrote of a group of consultants, including those from AKPD.

The emails also show how the health-care industry was concerned in 2009 about the revelation in the media that they were partnering with AKPD.



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“I want to alert everyone to a potential problem,” wrote Ken Johnson, the senior vice president of PhRMA, in an email to colleagues on June 30, 2009.

“Bloomberg is getting ready to report that ‘political consultants’ close to the White House — more specifically close to [now-former White House Chief of Staff] Rahm Emanuel — will be running our 100 million plus dollar campaign to try to pass comprehensive health care reform,” he wrote.

PhRMA lobbyist Bryant Hall responded, writing, “This is a big problem.”

Democratic consultant Nick Baldick chimed in: “Your person can just say, AKPD is not working for PhRMA.”

Hall responded: “Yes — we can spin whatever, but just depends on who is talking to Bloomberg and what they are saying.”

“I also get the impression from talking to the reporter that we will get a heavy dose of criticism for selecting these particular consultants,” Johnson wrote.

The consultants apparently being referenced were John Del Cecato, Larry Grisolano and Andy Grossman. In a June 3, 2009 email, McMahon, the PhRMA consultant, described them as the “WH-designated folks” and wrote that they “are very close to Axelrod (Griz and DelCecato are partners in Ax’s firm).”

The emails suggest that the Obama administration had a role in the creation of the Healthy Economy Now group, which came about after a April 15, 2009 meeting attended by White House official Jim Messina.

In an April 13 email, Jon Selib, chief of staff to Democratic Sen. Max Baucus, wrote to officials inside the health-care industry: “Messina and I are organizing a meeting on health reform at the [Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee] DSCC on Wednesday afternoon at 3:30 P.M


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If you can't afford your mortgage payments and face forclosure, and you can't afford groceries, nor clothing, the government, especially the IRS is NOT going to worry one fig about that, and will garnish and confiscate people out of the basic needs of life to support ObamaCare. They already do confiscations without regard to life needs, now it will be IRS confiscations on steroids.

Haven't looked up the exemptions in the statute, have you Mensa boy?

Family of four, less than 37K per year: exempt.

Nice try, though.
 
then they are freeloaders, right NIGGER POOP?

Nooooo!! they are poor poor people who couldn't make it so they decided to breed instead. We need to help them!!! The system needs to be fair so they can continue to degrade the entire species via their fail genes.
 
This thread is delicious. It's like a QQfest with extra whine.
 
What can they do outside the House? It's going to take a few more elections to get it right.

During Reconstruction the GOP locked the Democrats outta the House, and went to work. Nancy would shit if she marched out and couldnt get back in. We did it to Kruschev, too.
 
He also managed to get 5 members of the Court on the record as saying that there are significant limits on the Commerce Clause, which is no small matter. Of course, they can always change their minds again when they want to reach a particular result, like Scalia has.






Human beings as property = health insurance for those currently uninsured.

The analogy is airtight, I'd say.

yeah, he fired a shot over the bow of the good ship expansion of the commerce clause. and he did it without appearing to consider partisan arguments.
 
I thought it was an accurate statement. What would you call it when the Chief Justice decides to amend the government's case and uphold it on a point of contention they and the President swore up and down didn't exist?

It's true I never attended law school. I know in your mind this precludes my right to an opinion, but I'm going to post it anyway, your hate for it notwithstanding. So go ahead and disparage it all you want, don't expect me to give a shit though.

Just a note to the esteemed barrister in our midst:

Of the 112 Supreme Court members, only 47 have held degrees from accredited law schools; 18 attended law school, but never attained a degree; and 47 were self-taught and/or went through an apprenticeship.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_qual...come_a_US_Supreme_Court_justice#ixzz1z86rhM9U

one of the better briefs i've ever read was written by a guy on death row who had a high school education.

there are several people on this board who are not attorneys who analyze the law very well. i pay attention to them; sometimes i agree, sometimes i disagree.

you analyze the law like you analyze style. members only.
 
Really the man has no priorities at all.

My friend JUST informed me that Moyer is pitching down in Tacoma for the Orioles affiliate tonight.

I could have caught a Sounder train down there. What an ass.
 
He did advise them in a way to accept the consequences of their actions. That doesn't change the fact that he made a mistake in my opinion. He should have embraced the rightness of the minority, instead of figuring out a way to correct the government's case with an assertion they even refused to embrace. End of problem.

I think Roberts sent Obama a message. Obama's the Constitutional scholar and perfesser, and Roberts called him a clueless punk. He also sent a message to the GOP to aim at the tax.

I'd prefer that Roberts join Scalia et al, but I think he screwed Obama today.
 
I think Roberts sent Obama a message. Obama's the Constitutional scholar and perfesser, and Roberts called him a clueless punk. He also sent a message to the GOP to aim at the tax.

I'd prefer that Roberts join Scalia et al, but I think he screwed Obama today.

That sounds like a shitload of wishful thinking. If he wanted to send a message, he could have said "NO". He is the Chief Justice, ya know?
 
You know how you can tell the Righties are all curled up in a corner with a bottle of rum whimpering? Holder was indicted for contempt of Congress, 108 Democrats walked out of Congress and in the eyes of many look like bitches and there isn't a RWCJ for it.
 
You have a legal education, maybe you can help me understand.

Does the Constitution enumerate the taxing authority of the Congress?

What kind of taxes does it enumerate that Congress can lay?

Which enumerated tax does the ACA contain, how would you define it?

Which kind of enumerated tax levied by the ACA does Roberts envision?

Since we have mountains of case law on the enumerated taxing authority of Congress it ought to be easy, no? Please enlighten me.

Hey Vettebigot, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR "ENUMERATION" THEORIES AND FUCK YOUR PATHETIC ATTEMPT TO MOVE THE GOALPOSTS.

The Congress has the power to tax, period. It doesn't have to be "fair" or "enumerated" or any other after-the-fact bullshit you are serving up.

They don't have to justify it, if you don't like it, vote the bastards out in the next election. That's how America rolls, skippy.
 
I'd prefer that Roberts join Scalia et al, but I think he screwed Obama today.

Not at all. He was following a conservative agenda. The individual mandate is a Republican idea. Ask Romney. ObamaCare is actually RomneyCare. MassHealth was his signature act as governor and it's basically the smaller version of ObamaCare and it's orgins are in the good old GOP. Romney's advisors got it from something produced by the Heritage Foundation, a bastion of conservative politics. Apparently there weren't any GOP who thought it unconstitutional in 1993. I wonder if anyone's asked Orrin Hatch about his flip flop on individual mandate since he endorsed those original bills in 1993.





And busybody will shit in this post in 5...4...3...2...
 
Not at all. He was following a conservative agenda. The individual mandate is a Republican idea. Ask Romney. ObamaCare is actually RomneyCare. MassHealth was his signature act as governor and it's basically the smaller version of ObamaCare and it's orgins are in the good old GOP. Romney's advisors got it from something produced by the Heritage Foundation, a bastion of conservative politics. Apparently there weren't any GOP who thought it unconstitutional in 1993. I wonder if anyone's asked Orrin Hatch about his flip flop on individual mandate since he endorsed those original bills in 1993.





And busybody will shit in this post in 5...4...3...2...

And the Newt was the biggest supporter of the mandate you could find.
 
I think Roberts sent Obama a message. Obama's the Constitutional scholar and perfesser, and Roberts called him a clueless punk. He also sent a message to the GOP to aim at the tax.

I'd prefer that Roberts join Scalia et al, but I think he screwed Obama today.

He's certainly left trying to defend a trillion dollar tax increase in the middle of what Biden terms a depression, and jobs are going to be hurt bigtime!
 
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