Obama Care, How Will Be Judged On Thursday?

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[killallhippies]

are you sure you don't drink?

 

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[Sean Renaud]

We know that government mandates date back to George Washington and other framers of the Constitution. So if it's unconstitutional to make a mandate the men writing the Constitution were unaware. That said the judges are political animals and may do the popular thing and knock down the mandate. It'll be interesting one way or another to see how Republicans spin people getting kicked off their newly found health care and try to make it Obama's fault.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

You may not realize this, but this is the first time in history the Federal Government has ever tried to foist an economic mandate on American citizens.

No it's not. George Washington and the first Congress set a mandate. Sure you're about to argue that it was only on ship owners and thus is like car insurance which while, just like your car insurance argument is a bit vapid but fine, and thus you won't care that six years later they set another mandate, this time on the sailors themselves because you view that as special. Even though I just proved the federal government has foisted an economic mandate on US citizens in the past you need something grander. The second Congress mandated gun purchases for all able bodied males 18 through 45. The Founding Fathers were still present for this.

Since you are obviously wiser than the FF I invite you to argue why they were going against the document they wrote.

 

[TexasWife25]

No it's not. George Washington and the first Congress set a mandate. Sure you're about to argue that it was only on ship owners and thus is like car insurance which while, just like your car insurance argument is a bit vapid but fine, and thus you won't care that six years later they set another mandate, this time on the sailors themselves because you view that as special. Even though I just proved the federal government has foisted an economic mandate on US citizens in the past you need something grander. The second Congress mandated gun purchases for all able bodied males 18 through 45. The Founding Fathers were still present for this.

Since you are obviously wiser than the FF I invite you to argue why they were going against the document they wrote.

Very interesting read.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

~How Will "It" Be Judged On Thursday~


Charles de Montesquieu, was the philosopher studied and mentioned more often than any other by the Founders in the crafting of the Constitution; his "The Spirit Of The Laws" open before them as they contemplated and forged the words of the greatest political document the world has ever seen, the simple genius of his words pondered by all:

"The government should not force a way upon the people against their will, for to do so is tyranny by legislation. “There are two sorts of tyranny: a real one, which consists in the violence of the government, and one of opinion, which is felt when those who govern establish things that run counter to a nation’s way of thinking”

One wonders, how many of our esteeemed gaurdians of the Constituion will be willing to throw up the barrier that blocks Obama's relentless march to tyranny?

Part of me fears that Roberts and Kennedy wanna be loved by Obama, or maybe their wives ride their asses for missing all the celebrity parties libs attend.

My crystal ball predicts an Obama win. Roberts isnt smart enough to appreciate what he's about to unleash.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yawn.

Neither of your arguments involved the whole of the citizenry, so they are moot.

Car insurance requirements arguments are also moot as they are mandated by the state, not the Federal government.

In this instance we are not talking about passports requirements, firearms licenses, etc. We are talking about an economic mandate on the all Americans, nothing of the sort has ever been required by the Federal Government because it is unconstitutional.

Not that I expected more from you but still. White males between 18 and 45 was functionally everybody at the time that law was written and you know it. Women, no vote, blacks, still slaves, other minorities to rare to be considered for anything and life expectancy was still rather low.

I haven't read Obamacare from cover to cover though. If there is a clause saying that US citizens of voting age, or some other bullshit that absolves minors in there are you going to shut up or shift? I just wanna know before I waste an afternoon cus honestly I've made you look sufficently stupid already that I can simply go bug miles, or wait for Neverendingme. I wouldn't want to get back on your iggy list for embarassing you.

 

[TexasWife25]

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1113618

This pretty much addresses all of Vetts arguments

 

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[TexasWife25]

Address the OP instead.

"relentless march to tyranny"



He sounds non-partisan and level headed to me.



As of right now, I think the vote could go either way. However, I don't sit on the Supreme Court, and don't pretend to have their knowledge and expertise, so I wont be making 100 threads about how wrong they are if the decision they come to isnt the one I would have picked.

 

[Sean]

forged the words of the greatest political document the world has ever seen,

Magna Carta?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yawn.

Neither of your arguments involved the whole of the citizenry, so they are moot.

Car insurance requirements arguments are also moot as they are mandated by the state, not the Federal government.

In this instance we are not talking about passports requirements, firearms licenses, etc. We are talking about an economic mandate on the all Americans, nothing of the sort has ever been required by the Federal Government because it is unconstitutional.

Are American citizens under 26 forced to buy insurance?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Are American citizens under 26 forced to buy insurance?

Uh. ..thanks for making me feel stupid.

 

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[Sean]

Please no parochial bullshit from a defeated enemy of our freedom.

Magna Carta was about freedom five hundred years before your grubby little money changing state existed, bigot.

 

[Wok]

I would be surprised if the entire law remains.

Lots of spin to ensue Thursday and beyond.

 

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[Sean]

Yes, and it governs what today? How did it guarantee freedom for Americans, wino?

Learn some history, bigot.