Conservatives, Explain Ron Paul's Loss to Me

[MechaBlade]

They think he can win. They'll compromise every principle they've ever espouse for this simple truth. That's it. Who has the best chance to put an "R" after the "POTUS."

That's all it's ever about.

Vote RINO 2012, because he may suck ass, but he sucks OUR ass.

Gary Johnson espouse actual "conservative" values and implemented them in his time as governor. He matches what the so-called conservatives espouse, but they can't vote for him, because the winning liar then wouldn't have an R after his name.

Must.


Vote.


Republican.


Nothing else matters.

It may not seem like it, but Ron Paul could've won if he were nominated. The Pub machine would get behind him. Romney... I'd be willing to bet money that he will lose.

Mecha, explain your lack of doing the dishes since we're roommates and all.

Thanks.

IndieSnob?

 

[IndieSnob]

IndieSnob?

In the flesh. Good to see you around these parts.

 

[MechaBlade]

SNL likes Ron Paul

Too poor quality to watch.

"End The Fed!" is pretty fuckin' cranky.

Is it? Conservatives want the govt out of the economy and that's definitely one way to do it. And I think Conservatives believe that the Fed has mishandled the housing crisis and recession. They might even be right.

Ron Paul is a bit far to the right and as already stated a bt nutty.

Romney is more moderate so he will be more palatable to Indepndents, Liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats. Also more people know his name, than know Ron Paul, and name recognitin means a lot in politics. A lot of great canidates (on both sides) lost because no one ever heard their name.

It seems to be the consensus that Paul is a little extreme. I have to agree that Romney is a bit more palatable to me because he's more liberal, but I do think that Paul is the only Republican who would actually shrink government and work at balancing the budget.

I gotta imagine Ron Paul (whose run for president before) has more name recognition than Romney.

 

[MechaBlade]

In the flesh. Good to see you around these parts.

I can't stay away for too long. This place feels like home.

Good to see you, too.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Is it? Conservatives want the govt out of the economy . . .

No, they don't. Only radical Libertarians do. I think conservatives can appreciate that government has been to varying degrees and in many ways involved in the American economy, and especially in the currency, since day one, as the Framers intended.

 

[ImSinister]

It may not seem like it, but Ron Paul could've won if he were nominated. The Pub machine would get behind him. Romney... I'd be willing to bet money that he will lose.

While I liked many of RP's more libertarian ideas his problem is his tendency to come off as a little wacky and some of his ideas are a little much for my tastes. Sort of like your brilliant but ultimately crazy Uncle. The media did him no favors by instantly marginalizing him as a no chance to win "radical idea" candidate.

 

[MechaBlade]

No, they don't. Only radical Libertarians do. I think conservatives can appreciate that government has been to varying degrees and in many ways involved in the American economy, and especially in the currency, since day one, as the Framers intended.

Maybe I've been talking to too many libertarians.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It may not seem like it, but Ron Paul could've won if he were nominated.

Bullshit. Ron Paul will be POTUS some time after Ralph Nader's second term. Jimmy Carter come out of retirement could kick his ass six ways from Sunday.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

I gotta imagine Ron Paul (whose run for president before) has more name recognition than Romney.

AGAIN

Do a google search for news items
Mitt Romney 44.4 Million items
Ron Paul 108 thousand.

Some others who ran for President in the last election

Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, Bill Richardson, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Fred Thompson, Tommy Thompson (Primaries)


Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, Chuck Baldwin, Alan Keyes, Gloria La Riva, Brian Moore, Róger Calero, Charles Jay, Thomas Stevens (On Ballot)

So just running for Prez doesn't give you name recognition.

We all know Naders name but how many remembered he was on the Ballot in Nov.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I believe that KO honestly believes the conventional wisdom. I also believe that the conventional wisdom is a complete crock of shit. Then again, I'm an anarchist, so I don't exactly conform to convention in general.

But I understand and even respect KO's take on it....because that is the conventional wisdom. It just happens to be wrong. I see this as a sea change election. It was the golden opportunity to transform America and prevent the fall of the Union. And the Establishment destroyed that chance. Ron Paul was a rare and decent candidate. But I was right to be a pessimist and a cynic. The Establishment will never allow anyone who doesn't agree with the Buckleys of the Party. National Review is the voice of the Party. They basically told the Paulistas and Birchers to go fuck themselves.

And the latter will return the favor in November. Sit back and get used to six more months of Barry, before the bottom drops out and the Deceiver in Chief (btw that title applied as much to Bush as it now does to Obama) is hanged in more than just effigy. It's gonna make the French Revolution look like a Sunday School class or an actual tea party. The American people are going to find every member of the Establishment with rope in hand.

So Obama will win in November....and then he'll wish he'd lost.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

WHATS IN YOUR WALLET?

This is the question voters are concerned about.

Voters know that Obama's answer is: America is the ATM for government workers, teachers, unions, Niggaz, and illegals.

Voters know that Romneys answer is: Wall Street, banks, WAL-MART, and insurance companies.

Neither gives a fat rats ass about Main Street or the suburbs.

 

[JoeRockStar]

Paul's isolationist foreign policy, which I like in THEORY, is the primary cause if I had to guess.

 

[TexasWife25]

google Ron Pauls crazy quotes or Ron Pauls crazy positions and you'll know why he never stood a chance.

 

[1HF]

I have nothing to contribute...

Just wanted to say, Hey Mecha! Glad to see you're still around.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

They think he can win. They'll compromise every principle they've ever espouse for this simple truth. That's it. Who has the best chance to put an "R" after the "POTUS."

That's all it's ever about.

Vote RINO 2012, because he may suck ass, but he sucks OUR ass.

Gary Johnson espouse actual "conservative" values and implemented them in his time as governor. He matches what the so-called conservatives espouse, but they can't vote for him, because the winning liar then wouldn't have an R after his name.

Must.


Vote.


Republican.


Nothing else matters.

Yup.

I also think it has to do with looks. Paul is a funny looking guy....people don't like that. Also neither the republicans nor the dems want to hear about worthless/broken programs getting the axe, they both want that government dole.

"Not going to just blow money and give whoever ask as much as they want? Fuck that...he's crazy!"

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

google Ron Pauls crazy quotes or Ron Pauls crazy positions and you'll know why he never stood a chance.

I don't get whats so crazy about them? Dept of edu is broken as fuck....shit can it. Don't need a plethora of military bases to protect us from soviet mig's....shit can them. No reason at all to still be in Afghanistan..GTFO. War on Drugs? bull shit...get rid of it. Healthcare? super broken...and just as corrupt as edu...ditch it.

I don't understand what is so crazy about what he is saying.

 

[TexasWife25]

Yup.

I also think it has to do with looks. Paul is a funny looking guy....people don't like that. Also neither the republicans nor the dems want to hear about worthless/broken programs getting the axe, they both want that government dole.

"Not going to just blow money and give whoever ask as much as they want? Fuck that...he's crazy!"

I agree, while people love to whine for change, few people actually want to deviate from the status quo.

 

[Mrtenant]

think its cuz Paul got lumped in with the whackos and racists, his ultra conservative views were too much, he shoulda played their game then got radical in office, ....he deserved to lose

 

[pete]

I don't get whats so crazy about them? Dept of edu is broken as fuck....shit can it. Don't need a plethora of military bases to protect us from soviet mig's....shit can them. No reason at all to still be in Afghanistan..GTFO. War on Drugs? bull shit...get rid of it. Healthcare? super broken...and just as corrupt as edu...ditch it.

I don't understand what is so crazy about what he is saying.

i can't tell if you're sarcastic, but bad at showing it... or just crazy.

whoops, sorry. didn't mean "crazy". i meant "batshit crazy"
fixed it.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

i can't tell if you're sarcastic, but bad at showing it... or just crazy.

whoops, sorry. didn't mean "crazy". i meant "batshit crazy"
fixed it.

I'm apparently crazy because I don't see the point in throwing good money after bad. I'll explain my view to you in a slightly more comprehensive format so that you might better understand where I'm coming from.

Have you EVER asked yourself "Is the country and it's taxpayers getting a return on their dollar for this?"

Our education system? No...

Healthcare? Fuck no....

War on drugs? LMFAO

Cold war relic military bases? not even close....

All of these things are costing us 5 star prime rib prices....and the people are getting Alpo dog food for it. I think much like Dr.Paul...if we are to have any hope of saving the US it needs to stop.


Tell me what is so batshit crazy about what I said......please tell me so I can understand your justification for throwing astronomical amounts of good money that we don't have, after bad for the sake of keeping broken/corrupt/useless programs and systems around?

I'm not being sarcastic, I would genuinely like to know why you think what I have said is nuts.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well, I'm already on the record as an anarchist, so you know what I think.

Ron Paul is not quite there yet, but he's moving in the right direction. Gary Johnson, even more so.

 

[KingOrfeo]

i can't tell if you're sarcastic, but bad at showing it... or just crazy.

whoops, sorry. didn't mean "crazy". i meant "batshit crazy"
fixed it.

Crazy and/or retarded -- you didn't know? It's a 9/11 Truther.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Well, I'm already on the record as an anarchist, so you know what I think.

Ron Paul is not quite there yet, but he's moving in the right direction. Gary Johnson, even more so.

You can perhaps make a case for all of that, but you can't make a case for the American voters agreeing.

 

[pete]

I'm apparently crazy because I don't see the point in throwing good money after bad. I'll explain my view to you in a slightly more comprehensive format so that you might better understand where I'm coming from.

Have you EVER asked yourself "Is the country and it's taxpayers getting a return on their dollar for this?"

Our education system? No...

Healthcare? Fuck no....

War on drugs? LMFAO

Cold war relic military bases? not even close....

All of these things are costing us 5 star prime rib prices....and the people are getting Alpo dog food for it. I think much like Dr.Paul...if we are to have any hope of saving the US it needs to stop.


Tell me what is so batshit crazy about what I said......please tell me so I can understand your justification for throwing astronomical amounts of good money that we don't have, after bad for the sake of keeping broken/corrupt/useless programs and systems around?

I'm not being sarcastic, I would genuinely like to know why you think what I have said is nuts.

first of all, i think you might want to look up "comprehensive".

i think you're wrong but i don't mind engaging on some discussion on stuff. but all you're doing is asserting, you're not explaining anything. it's like you're only giving me the opening sentence, and the rest of the paragraph is missing.

for the sake of simplicity, let's go point by point. for shits n giggles we'll start with the "education system", as you put it. first, how are you defining that system, what does it encompass? next, what's wrong with it, exactly? show me some charts, give me some stats, some history of where it was, where it is, where it seems to be going. simply saying "it's fucked, man!" doesn't really make for a good dialogue, yeah?

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

Crazy and/or retarded -- you didn't know? It's a 9/11 Truther.

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