Tofu eggs

[4est_4est_Gump]

One day soon, America could wake up to a dozen eggs costing $8 or more. And unless you are involved in some aspect of farming or agriculture, you would never know that egg prices are about to skyrocket or the reason why. With food prices already increasing due to high grain and fuel costs, extraneous so-called animal welfare regulations are being imposed on U.S. food producers, large and small, by the animal rights powerhouse known as the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS).

With HSUS' vegan animal rights platform as the motivations behind crafting a controversial egg bill, S. 3239 was introduced in the U.S. Senate on Friday, May 25, 2012, inching U.S. egg producers closer to a mandate which would require them to phase out conventional cages for egg-laying hens and transition to a system called "enriched colony cages" by 2029, at a cost to U.S. egg producers ranging between $4 billion to $10 billion.

And while most Americans shrug their shoulders and live their lives, they are completely unaware of how this regulation will affect the cost of food and its availability in the future. The current egg shortage in the U.K. should be a jolting wake-up call for Americans, illustrating that the onerous animal welfare regulations which have phased out conventional cages there have caused egg prices to quadruple, while diminishing egg supply to a "crisis" level. This is a glimpse of what's coming to America if HSUS' egg bill becomes law.

Instead of improving productivity for the American egg industry and supporting our farmers and ranchers, these imposed regulations will incrementally squeeze egg producers out of business. Fewer egg farmers means fewer eggs. Fewer eggs mean higher prices for the consumer, and importing more of our food from other countries where neither animal welfare nor food safety is top priority.

While these regulations may seem reasonable on the surface, the agenda behind them lies within the organization pushing these cleverly crafted laws, cloaked in a disguise of emotional propaganda used to advance these proposed regulations into law. HSUS is an organization that makes no bones about its mission to push anti-animal agriculture regulations, or any stiff regulatory reform on American farmers and ranchers. Just consider the goal of HSUS' lead policy director and vegan activist, J.P. Goodwin, who has gone on record by saying, "My goal is the abolition of all animal agriculture."

HSUS' goal is to provide relief to chickens, not provide food for humans. Will enriched cage systems truly satisfy the vegan animal rights organization which has repeatedly wielded its bully tactics to gain a hold on animal agriculture? My prediction is no. After all, the ultimate goal of HSUS is about empty cages, not bigger cages.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012...ld_make_eggs_a_luxury_food.html#ixzz1wXcnIdpz


Thank gawd government regulation do not hurt business...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Chickens might become a good black market economy investment.



We have six now. Maybe I need another dozen...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Another mindless cut-n-paste, courtesy of my little pussy bitch, who is too scared to visit the "Julia" thread because everyone was laughing at his "logic".


AJ: When you want to "talk the talk" but not "walk the walk".

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Where's the "excessive benefits" quote?


I already have a strategy, once again, just like in the doom and gloom thread, in place for dealing with what my government under Democrat leadership plans to do to me...

You are a liar. But then again, that's what Democrats are.

Angry, bitter, liars.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Years ago, as an observation of foreign oppression, Henry Kissenger once said, "If you control the food supply, you control the people."

Mayor Bloomberg would agree!


:nods:

 

[Peregrinator]

The Hunger Argument
Number of people worldwide who will die as a result of malnutrition this year: 20 million
Number of people who could be adequately fed using land freed if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10%: 100 million
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80
Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95
Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90
How frequently a child dies as a result of malnutrition: every 2.3 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 40,000
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 250
Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16

The Environmental Argument
Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels
Fossil fuels needed to produce meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 3 times more
Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75
Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85
Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million
Amount of meat imported to U.S. annually from Central and South America: 300,000,000 pounds
Percentage of Central American children under the age of five who are undernourished: 75
Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every quarter-pound of rainforest beef: 55 square feet
Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1,000 per year

The Cancer Argument
Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to less than once a week: 3.8 times
For women who eat eggs daily compared to once a week: 2.8 times
For women who eat butter and cheese 2-4 times a week: 3.25 times
Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who consume meat, cheese, eggs and milk daily vs. sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times.

The Cholesterol Argument
Number of U.S. medical schools: 125
Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30
Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four years in medical school: 2.5 hours
Most common cause of death in the U.S.: heart attack
How frequently a heart attack kills in the U.S.: every 45 seconds
Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 percent
Risk of average U.S. man who eats no meat: 15 percent
Risk of average U.S. man who eats no meat, dairy or eggs: 4 percent
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption of meat, dairy and eggs by 10 percent: 9 percent
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption by 50 percent: 45 percent
Amount you reduce risk if you eliminate meat, dairy and eggs from your diet: 90 percent
Average cholesterol level of people eating meat-centered-diet: 210 mg/dl
Chance of dying from heart disease if you are male and your blood cholesterol level is 210 mg/dl: greater than 50 percent

The Natural Resources Argument
User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: livestock production
Amount of water used in production of the average cow: sufficient to float a destroyer
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of California beef: 5,000
Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13
Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260
Calories of fossil fuel expended to get 1 calorie of protein from beef: 78
To get 1 calorie of protein from soybeans: 2
Percentage of all raw materials (base products of farming, forestry and mining, including fossil fuels) consumed by U.S. that is devoted to the production of livestock: 33
Percentage of all raw materials consumed by the U.S. needed to produce a complete vegetarian diet: 2

The Antibiotic Argument
Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55
Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13
Percentage resistant in 1988: 91
Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban
Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support

The Pesticide Argument
Common belief: U.S. Department of Agriculture protects our health through meat inspection
Reality: fewer than 1 out of every 250,000 slaughtered animals is tested for toxic chemical residues
Percentage of U.S. mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 99
Percentage of U.S. vegetarian mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 8
Contamination of breast milk, due to chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides in animal products, found in meat-eating mothers vs. non-meat eating mothers: 35 times higher
Amount of Dieldrin ingested by the average breast-fed American infant: 9 times the permissible level

The Ethical Argument
Number of animals killed for meat per hour in the U.S.: 660,000
Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker
Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job-injury in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

The Survival Argument
Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner)
Food choice of Dave Scott: Vegetarian
Largest meat eater that ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex (Where is he today?)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

When my chickens stop laying, I'm going to eat them.

 

[Peregrinator]

When my chickens stop laying, I'm going to eat them.

That's actually the best solution, that sort of micro-farming, for people who don't want to stop eating meat. Locally sourced and responsibly grown would be next. Factory farming is absolutely heinous in so many ways it's difficult to find a comprehensive list.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

1. Eggs are great for the eyes. According to one study, an egg a day may prevent macular degeneraton due to the carotenoid content, specifically lutein and zeaxanthin. Both nutrients are more readily available to our bodies from eggs than from other sources.

2. In another study, researchers found that people who eat eggs every day lower their risk of developing cataracts, also because of the lutein and zeaxanthin in eggs.

3. One egg contains 6 grams of high-quality protein and all 9 essential amino acids.

4. According to a study by the Harvard School of Public Health, there is no significant link between egg consumption and heart disease. In fact, according to one study, regular consumption of eggs may help prevent blood clots, stroke, and heart attacks.

5. They are a good source of choline. One egg yolk has about 300 micrograms of choline. Choline is an important nutrient that helps regulate the brain, nervous system, and cardiovascular system.

6. They contain the right kind of fat. One egg contains just 5 grams of fat and only 1.5 grams of that is saturated fat.

7. New research shows that, contrary to previous belief, moderate consumption of eggs does not have a negative impact on cholesterol. In fact, recent studies have shown that regular consumption of two eggs per day does not affect a person's lipid profile and may, in fact, improve it. Research suggests that it is saturated fat that raises cholesterol rather than dietary cholesterol.

8. Eggs are one of the only foods that contain naturally occurring vitamin D.

9. Eggs may prevent breast cancer. In one study, women who consumed at least 6 eggs per week lowered their risk of breast cancer by 44%.

10. Eggs promote healthy hair and nails because of their high sulphur content and wide array of vitamins and minerals. Many people find their hair growing faster after adding eggs to their diet, especially if they were previously deficient in foods containing sulphur or B12.

http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/10-health-benefits-of-eggs.html

I have those little plastic eggs. You crack your egg, put it in and then boil the plastic egg and voilà! no messy peeling of your hard, or soft, boiled egg!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That's actually the best solution, that sort of micro-farming, for people who don't want to stop eating meat. Locally sourced and responsibly grown would be next. Factory farming is absolutely heinous in so many ways it's difficult to find a comprehensive list.

Big Farm all bad from pesticides to coops. We get that. Got to save the planet.

:nods:

Yeah, I see that point.

Soylent Green?

I can feed me with the preferred farming methods of the Socialists, but I don't think I'll be able to feed the actual Socialists living in their perfect world...

 

[Peregrinator]

http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/10-health-benefits-of-eggs.html

I have those little plastic eggs. You crack your egg, put it in and then boil the plastic egg and voilà! no messy peeling of your hard, or soft, boiled egg!

Gotta get petrochemicals involved somehow, I guess.

Big Farm all bad from pesticides to coops. We get that. Got to save the planet.

:nods:

Yeah, I see that point.

Soylent Green?

I can feed me with the preferred farming methods of the Socialists, but I don't think I'll be able to feed the actual Socialists living in their perfect world...

Wait, small individual enterprise is the preferred method of those who believe in centralized control of the means of production and distribution of goods and large centralized businesses that buy politicians and have immense powerful lobbies are the preferred method of Libertarians?

Did you post that with a straight face?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do it for the kids!

My mom often sent my sisters and me to school with our bellies full of scrambled eggs, telling us we needed our protein to get through the day. Turns out she was on to something. "Eggs are a phenomenal source of protein," says Elizabeth Ward, RD, author of The Complete Idiot's Guide to Feeding Your Baby and Toddler (Alpha).

What's the big deal? Egg protein supplies all the essential amino acids, which are the building blocks for hormones, skin, tissues, and more in the body. They are considered essential because our body cannot make them on its own; we have to get them from food. Because eggs are relatively easy to digest (compared with, say, a hamburger), you absorb the protein well, says Cynthia Sass, RD, of Tampa. In kids, protein is vital for growth, while adults use it to maintain lean tissue, repair muscle after exercise, and keep the immune system in tip-top shape.

In addition, one egg contains just 75 calories and offers a healthy portion of choline, "which plays a role in brain development," says Ward. This nutrient is important for memory storage in kids and adults and for reproductive health.

http://www.parents.com/recipes/ente...l-occasions/the-nutritional-benefits-of-eggs/


OH NO! Those evil Democrats! Denying women their right to reproductive health!

Someone call up the Flucke slut and let her know...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Gotta get petrochemicals involved somehow, I guess.

Wait, small individual enterprise is the preferred method of those who believe in centralized control of the means of production and distribution of goods and large centralized businesses that buy politicians and have immense powerful lobbies are the preferred method of Libertarians?

Did you post that with a straight face?

Have you been posting with Throb?

That's a slander, and you know it; it's a purposeful erroneous portrayal of what you divine me to believe.

I believe in Capital creation, not Capital destruction via inefficiency.

How much do you think a chicken actually suffers?

They are dumber than Throb...

S'riuosly...

 

[Peregrinator]

I believe that for breakfast this morning I'm going to have a bagel from the local bakery with some smoked salmon and a sliced pickled egg.

I got no problem with eggs, particularly. They go back and forth about them in the literature. I like them better without the yolk when hard-boiled. Hard boiled egg yolks are like gagballs of yellow dust.

 

[Peregrinator]

Have you been posting with Throb?

That's a slander, and you know it; it's a purposeful erroneous portrayal of what you divine me to believe.

I believe in Capital creation, not Capital destruction via inefficiency.

How much do you think a chicken actually suffers?

They are dumber than Throb...

S'riuosly...

No more than usual. He's been in attack mode lately, and I find that sort of repetitive and boring.

I think there's an argument to be made about who has more liberty, the ma with his own small farm or the man who can only buy food from large conglomerates.

I know there's an argument to be made that small family farms are way, way healthier for the animals, the locals, and the eventual consumers.

I don't know how much chickens suffer. I know birds, and I can tell when one is in pain. So could you; it's pretty obvious.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Due to food contamination issues in China we've actually found a reliable source of free-range eggs. The difference between these and large scale commercial producers is seen at first glance. The egg is noticeably smaller. The yolks are also smaller and much darker in color. Of course, the taste is different as well. Best of all, they are surprisingly cheap. Our family is really happy with them.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No more than usual. He's been in attack mode lately, and I find that sort of repetitive and boring.

I think there's an argument to be made about who has more liberty, the ma with his own small farm or the man who can only buy food from large conglomerates.

I know there's an argument to be made that small family farms are way, way healthier for the animals, the locals, and the eventual consumers.

I don't know how much chickens suffer. I know birds, and I can tell when one is in pain. So could you; it's pretty obvious.

Yeah, I don't think they are suffering that much in the big operations, I think that's the projection of the do-gooder who puts his/her feelings before the actual economy and if we continue to act on emotion and feelings, our economy will get even worse than it is now under the direction of the Altruistic Crusading element deeded to us by our Christian heritage.

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
CS Lewis

"Who can seriously doubt . . . that the power which a multi-millionaire, who may be my neighbor and perhaps my employer, has over me is very much less than that which the smallest [bureaucrat] possess who wields the coercive power of the state and on whose discretion it depends whether and how I am to be allowed to live or to work?"
FA Hayek

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Due to food contamination issues in China we've actually found a reliable source of free-range eggs. The difference between these and large scale commercial producers is seen at first glance. The egg is noticeably smaller. The yolks are also smaller and much darker in color. Of course, the taste is different as well. Best of all, they are surprisingly cheap. Our family is really happy with them.

We call those farm eggs.



My wife is forever bringing home eggs given to her by her co-workers...

Of course, in another four weeks, we'll all be up to our ears in free tomatoes too.



Still, those slick city Socialists are going to have fun finding a source of properly laid eggs, properly grown wheat, sufficiently pampered beef...



... maybe even properly prepared tofu!

 

[Peregrinator]

Yeah, I don't think they are suffering that much in the big operations, I think that's the projection of the do-gooder who puts his/her feelings before the actual economy and if we continue to act on emotion and feelings, our economy will get even worse than it is now under the direction of the Altruistic Crusading element deeded to us by our Christian heritage.

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
CS Lewis

"Who can seriously doubt . . . that the power which a multi-millionaire, who may be my neighbor and perhaps my employer, has over me is very much less than that which the smallest [bureaucrat] possess who wields the coercive power of the state and on whose discretion it depends whether and how I am to be allowed to live or to work?"
FA Hayek

Okay. That's an answer to the suffering of chickens. I get that money > animals for some people. Not me. I'm happy to pay extra for happy chicken eggs. They taste a lot better and the farms are a lot better for everyone, and I like supporting small businesses, even if it costs me a little more. *shrug* I vote with my wallet; some folks vote for their wallets.

Hayek apparently never lived in a place that had oil under it. Or downstream from a feedlot.

 

[Peregrinator]

We call those farm eggs.



My wife is forever bringing home eggs given to her by her co-workers...

Of course, in another four weeks, we'll all be up to our ears in free tomatoes too.



Still, those slick city Socialists are going to have fun finding a source of properly laid eggs, properly grown wheat, sufficiently pampered beef...



... maybe even properly prepared tofu!

Depends on the city. The people you disingenuously call socialists, who are in fact moderate liberals, have no problem at all finding any of those things in Portland, and there's a wonderful restaurant in NYC you might find interesting:

http://www.vp2-nyc.com/

http://www.vp2-nyc.com/index-opening.gif

 

[ChinaBandit]

We call those farm eggs.

... maybe even properly prepared tofu!

I can't acquire a taste for tofu, even Sichuan style. I will never get past the texture.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Okay. That's an answer to the suffering of chickens. I get that money > animals for some people. Not me. I'm happy to pay extra for happy chicken eggs. They taste a lot better and the farms are a lot better for everyone, and I like supporting small businesses, even if it costs me a little more. *shrug* I vote with my wallet; some folks vote for their wallets.

Hayek apparently never lived in a place that had oil under it. Or downstream from a feedlot.

My problem is that like almost everything else, you're perfectly happy to make ME pay a higher price for the vagaries of your imaginings...



As I have said many times, once you go around to each group and match the expectations of what they don't mind paying a little more for, then nobody can afford anything.

There is black and white, and if you refuse to believe that, then you will accept grey and let me tell you gray tends to black for when you say ∃ of anything is a good function of government then ∃ is everything ¬∀ and while you may be able to advocate for ∃ you won't be allowed to define it and in this manner its limit will be ∀ for ∑f(∪∃)i [i=from you to the total population] will never tend to ∅ by definition so it is easy to see that it is, indeed, an ∀ or ∅ when it comes to government. (Now, the ∑f(∩∃)i [i=from you to the total population] will tend to ∅ but that is politically unattainable for the obvious reason that the more ∃ is defined, the smaller the ∩∃ becomes.)
A_J, the Stupid

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I can't acquire a taste for tofu, even Sichuan style. I will never get past the texture.

I know what you mean.

 

[contrifan32]

I think there's an argument to be made about who has more liberty, the ma with his own small farm or the man who can only buy food from large conglomerates.

I know there's an argument to be made that small family farms are way, way healthier for the animals, the locals, and the eventual consumers.


The is little doubt that this is true Perg, but with all the government regulations (especially in states like the PRV) it is becoming next to impossible for small family farms and food processors to get started. They spend too much time and money dealing with state and Fed agency requirements. Yes, I know this from experience.

 

[Peregrinator]

I can't acquire a taste for tofu, even Sichuan style. I will never get past the texture.

You should try that restaurant I linked next time you get to NY. It's incredible how much like the real thing they manage to make it.

My problem is that like almost everything else, you're perfectly happy to make ME pay a higher price for the vagaries of your imaginings...



As I have said many times, once you go around to each group and match the expectations of what they don't mind paying a little more for, then nobody can afford anything.


A_J, the Stupid

"The vagaries of my imaginings?"

You mean like, say, cancer?

The problem with what you propose here is you're afraid to take it all the way to its logical conclusion, which is anarchy. So someone has to decide what gets paid for and what doesn't.

The is little doubt that this is true Perg, but with all the government regulations (especially in states like the PRV) it is becoming next to impossible for small family farms and food processors to get started. They spend too much time and money dealing with state and Fed agency requirements. Yes, I know this from experience.

I realize it can go too far. There's a balance to be struck there, somewhere.