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[Boxlicker101]

Although I'm not surprised and I don't know how much it will mean:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-to-same-sex-couples-is-unconstitutional?lite

States can still outlaw same sex marriages, and many of them have and will. Hopefully, federal benefits, such as joint filing of income tax returns will apply to all married couples.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The 9th Circuit beat them to it a while back. So the Supremes will decide.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Although I;m not syurprised and I don't know how much it will mean:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-to-same-sex-couples-is-unconstitutional?lite

States can still outlaw same sex marriages, and many of them have and will. Hopefully, federal benefits, such as joint filing of income tax returns will apply to all married couples.

Hopefully.

I just wished that they taught this in schools, or at the very least made it clear.

So many people just don't understand the state of marriage now. They make arguments like "You can get a civil union, and that's the same thing!" Or, "Why do you even want to get married, you don't have to prove that you love each other?" Or my least favorite, "It's legal to get married in this State, why do you care?"

I just wish people really knew what was happening. Maybe then we'd have more people on our side.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Although I applaude the decision, couple of points:

•. The number of federal benefits that gays & lesbians are not allowed to take part in, LIKE E ERY FREAKIN BODY ELSE *ahem*, is actually in excess of 1,400 vs. 1,000.

•. MY civil and human RIGHTS are NOT something that should be decided on a state by state basis any more that states should get to determine their own immigration policies or the right to implement slavery if they so wish.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

True, Amy, but however slow it moves, we're winning, bit by bit--at least so far!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Although I applaude the decision, couple of points:

•. The number of federal benefits that gays & lesbians are not allowed to take part in, LIKE E ERY FREAKIN BODY ELSE *ahem*, is actually in excess of 1,400 vs. 1,000.

•. MY civil and human RIGHTS are NOT something that should be decided on a state by state basis any more that states should get to determine their own immigration policies or the right to implement slavery if they so wish.

You only get one vote, unless you be Democrat.

Only yestiddy Obama let a paralyzed kid graduate from the Naval Academy. Its unheard of. It feels yummy till you realize the military throws cripples out ebbry day. So now we got a precedent to keep/accept ebbry lardass and mental case and dwarf dey iz. Plus no count Niggaz.

Plus diss, dey cote done say duh 10th Amendment be supreme when it come to mareige. I aint no lawyar but I iz a legal skolar, an inny judge dat sez States Rights trumps deh Congriss be playin wiff sumpthin dangeriss.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

True, Amy, but however slow it moves, we're winning, bit by bit--at least so far!

You aint won shit yet that counts.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Cute, JB

Now go back under your bridge, protect your self from 'dem niggaz' and leave us alone.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Cute, JB

Now go back under your bridge, protect your self from 'dem niggaz' and leave us alone.

Maybe youre on the wrong board or we need to change the name to FAGGOT LITE.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Maybe youre on the wrong board or we need to change the name to FAGGOT LITE.

If it's your board, we'll have to change it to

"KKK, Today!"

 

[estragon]

C2BK, don't waste your time. Write your Nude Day entry instead. JBJ isn't worth your time.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

If it's your board, we'll have to change it to

"KKK, Today!"

My style is more like, ARYAN INTELLECTS.

The KKK is the trailer trash of racists.

 

[Handley_Page]

Hopefully.

I just wished that they taught this in schools, or at the very least made it clear.

So many people just don't understand the state of marriage now. They make arguments like "You can get a civil union, and that's the same thing!" Or, "Why do you even want to get married, you don't have to prove that you love each other?" Or my least favorite, "It's legal to get married in this State, why do you care?"

I just wish people really knew what was happening. Maybe then we'd have more people on our side.

Please forgive my ignorance in asking the question.

In the UK, same-sex 'marriage' is a "civil union". There's a legally-binding uniting of two people of the same sex in exactly the same way as the union ("marriage") of a man and a woman. The thing here is that in both cases, the laws of inheritance and so on are identically imposed. Separation and divorce are the same in name.

So would some kind soul please tell me what the fuss is about in defining "marriage" either way.

Note. I do not want to get involved in a long details thing about the attitudes of the various States to the concept of same-sex union (regardless of its name).

A nice simple explanation would help in no small measure.

Thank you.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Please forgive my ignorance in asking the question.

In the UK, same-sex 'marriage' is a "civil union". There's a legally-binding uniting of two people of the same sex in exactly the same way as the union ("marriage") of a man and a woman. The thing here is that in both cases, the laws of inheritance and so on are identically imposed. Separation and divorce are the same in name.

So would some kind soul please tell me what the fuss is about in defining "marriage" either way.

Note. I do not want to get involved in a long details thing about the attitudes of the various States to the concept of same-sex union (regardless of its name).

A nice simple explanation would help in no small measure.

Thank you.

A civil union does not bestow the same rights as a marriage (as safe_bet said, over 1400 of them) in the United states. And there are only six states that even allow a civil union as is.

I have some friends who are activists who believe that we should fight for same-sex unions, but stop calling them marriages. That way, we can focus on the withheld rights and not the religious muck-up. Maybe if we focus harder on the rights and call it something else, the christians can stop getting their panties in a bunch.

I agree with them to a point, but I also think that changing the name in itself is pretty demeaning, and a continuation of the flawed 'separate but equal' argument that condoned segregation in schools.

 

[estragon]

A civil union does not bestow the same rights as a marriage (as safe_bet said, over 1400 of them) in the United states. And there are only six states that even allow a civil union as is.

I have some friends who are activists who believe that we should fight for same-sex unions, but stop calling them marriages. That way, we can focus on the withheld rights and not the religious muck-up. Maybe if we focus harder on the rights and call it something else, the christians can stop getting their panties in a bunch.

I agree with them to a point, but I also think that changing the name in itself is pretty demeaning, and a continuation of the flawed 'separate but equal' argument that condoned segregation in schools.

Simply, "separate but equal is not equal."

 

[Handley_Page]

A civil union does not bestow the same rights as a marriage (as safe_bet said, over 1400 of them) in the United states. And there are only six states that even allow a civil union as is.

I

I get it; thanks.
Over here the same rights apply, taxation and all the rest.

 

[Tyro999]

Note. I do not want to get involved in a long details thing about the attitudes of the various States to the concept of same-sex union (regardless of its name).

A nice simple explanation would help in no small measure.

Thank you.

Erm. Your note on attitudes of the various states, precludes the nice simple explanation you ask for. We have fifty of them, plus various 'non-states', such as the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, Samoa, etc, who weigh in with unbelievable diversity on any topic.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Please forgive my ignorance in asking the question.

In the UK, same-sex 'marriage' is a "civil union". There's a legally-binding uniting of two people of the same sex in exactly the same way as the union ("marriage") of a man and a woman. The thing here is that in both cases, the laws of inheritance and so on are identically imposed. Separation and divorce are the same in name.

So would some kind soul please tell me what the fuss is about in defining "marriage" either way.

Note. I do not want to get involved in a long details thing about the attitudes of the various States to the concept of same-sex union (regardless of its name).

A nice simple explanation would help in no small measure.

Thank you.

The real issue is the self esteem of homosexuals. Until 1980 homosexuality was a mental disorder in the US. Homosexuals want complete redemption and removal of all vestiges of carnival freak status. Yet they refuse to repudiate the flaming carnival freaks in their ranks. And most Americans are not about to hand a civil rights blank-check over to homosexuals until they do. Besides, every queer is a Democrat, and whats in it for the GOP to help them out? Nothing.

 

[Handley_Page]

Erm. Your note on attitudes of the various states, precludes the nice simple explanation you ask for. We have fifty of them, plus various 'non-states', such as the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, Samoa, etc, who weigh in with unbelievable diversity on any topic.

Thank you.
I meant that the various attitudes of individual states were not the question.
But I get the picture well enough, thanks

 

[Bramblethorn]

I have some friends who are activists who believe that we should fight for same-sex unions, but stop calling them marriages. That way, we can focus on the withheld rights and not the religious muck-up. Maybe if we focus harder on the rights and call it something else, the christians can stop getting their panties in a bunch.

My first preference would be to go in the reverse direction: if the churches are so bent on having the power to define "marriage", give them what they're asking and get government out of the "marriage" business altogether, so the ONLY legally-recognised status is a civil union. Any couple/triad/whatever can call themselves "married" if they choose, every church can decide what "marriages" they will and won't acknowledge, and every individual can decide whether they give a toss what the churches think.

But it doesn't seem to be a popular approach, so I'll support same-sex marriage as the next best thing.

 

[YDB95]

Wow, how can such an openminded website attract such an unapologetic bigot? I just don't understand...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Wow, how can such an openminded website attract such an unapologetic bigot? I just don't understand...

You dont live nextdoor to Psycho Squirrel the Queer from Rainbow World.

 

[TxRad]

Wow, how can such an openminded website attract such an unapologetic bigot? I just don't understand...

He has already been tossed off two forums by their moderators. Just our luck to be an un-moderated forum. So, until he pisses the owners off, we're stuck with him.

He's come close a couple of times and was a good boy for a while but it never lasts.

The only other option is to put him on ignore.

 

[estragon]

Perhaps, as one of England's greatest poets wrote, "He only does it to annoy/Because he knows it teases."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

He has already been tossed off two forums by their moderators. Just our luck to be an un-moderated forum. So, until he pisses the owners off, we're stuck with him.

He's come close a couple of times and was a good boy for a while but it never lasts.

The only other option is to put him on ignore.

Nonsense. Proof?