A New Literotica category???

[ILienBagby]

I've just finished reading Strapper66's funny, clever, excellent story, "Aftermath" and it came to me---we need one more category for writers to submit to. That category would be ----Stories About Anonymous. SAA would include any story which includes a character who submits comments or e-mails to a Literptica story or author and signs the comment as being from "Anonymous." So many Literotica authors are and have been bedeviled by irrational, vile, sick and unpleasantly biased comments from that Anonymous, frustrating the authors who have worked hard on their stories. An SAA category for Literotica submissions would at last give the authors a way to vent. Any story submitted in this category would need to quote (anywhere in the story) from one of those obscene Anonymous submissions.The stories might cause some of those sick anonymous contributors to think twice about sending their vomit-inducing comments to Literotica.
Just saying.
Anyone else think this is a good idea?

 

[ILienBagby]

two links

Sorry...I should have posted this along with the original comment: 2 links to stories that would do brilliantly in this new category first, the aforementioned Aftermath byStrapper66©. and second the great Hater's Beware (3.73 by EZ4BLKcock.

I am sure there are many more such stories around.

 

[PennLady]

I think this is way too narrow a category. Also, while the authors may enjoy venting, I doubt that any particular Anonymous will either read the stories, or seem themselves in it. I'd say if you want to vent about Anon, there are plenty of categories already in which to do so.

 

[ILienBagby]

ahhhh

but with this NEW category the writer or reader would not need to search for an appropriate story. Best thing, I think, is the fear that mr. (mrs.(?) anon would feel, wondering if he/she was going to be made fun of.

 

[sr71plt]

You delight anonymous-negative (as opposed to anonymous-positive, who, no doubt you love) just by showing you are bothered by him/her/it, as you do here.

Also, proposing category reworks on the forum has always been just so much spitting in the wind. Those who read the forum have no power over this and those who do have the power don't read the forum.

 

[scouries]

no I don't!!!!!

STOP your whining!!! Are you related to that nakedsub guy? You sound just like him.

FYI A recent study conducted by MANU showed that 87% of "Anonymous" comments were positive. And yet no one complains about those "anonymous" comments.​

 

[PennLady]

but with this NEW category the writer or reader would not need to search for an appropriate story. Best thing, I think, is the fear that mr. (mrs.(?) anon would feel, wondering if he/she was going to be made fun of.

SR's got a point -- I have plenty of positive anonymous feedback, yet no one proposes a category in which to 'reward' them with stories.

And if they are anonymous, why would they care if they're being made fun of? No one knows who they are. And seriously, I doubt that any particular anonymous is even going to see themselves in a story. They probably don't even remember the comments they make. There's no fear involved. This proposed category might be fun for venting but would hardly deter anonymous comments.

 

[BTTap]

Aftermath is excellent; original and funny. Not sure about a separate catagory, but it's a thought...

 

[ILienBagby]

more!!!!

SR's got a point -- I have plenty of positive anonymous feedback, yet no one proposes a category in which to 'reward' them with stories.

And if they are anonymous, why would they care if they're being made fun of? No one knows who they are. And seriously, I doubt that any particular anonymous is even going to see themselves in a story. They probably don't even remember the comments they make. There's no fear involved. This proposed category might be fun for venting but would hardly deter anonymous comments.

I guess I should have made myself clearer. Posting a story by definition means that the character in the story is defined, described and (if the story has any quality at all) made real, made alive. Yes, anonymous "good" reviews don't require animus. "Bad" anonymous comments are different in that whether they accomplish their purpose or not, they are INTENDED to harm the author. Tell me, Penn Lady (or sir71plt, or scouries) when you are at a family gathering (or any social or business meeting), and you hear someone spout racist or anti-gay or sexual bias or unfeeling comments about a handicapped person what do you do? Ignore it? Turn the other cheek? Those spouters of hate assume that their messages are affecting people....of course they a.s.s.u.m.e., they are fools, aren't they. Any story in which an anon appears as a character will surely make that anon to be the fool he or she is. Yes, stupid, crazy, biased comments get under my skin, but what gets under my skin more than the comment is the fact that Literotica allows biased, hate-spewing, meth addicted ass holes to throw up their idiocies while hiding their faces and identities. Would you, Penn Lady; would you, scouries; would yousir71plyt, were you to meet up not say anything to that racist at your family gathering?

 

[sr71plt]

Well, no, "bad" anonymous comments aren't just what you describe. Some of them are spot on concerning the quality of the story. And I won't be surprised to learn that there are more "bad" favorable anonymous comments than "bad" unfavorable anonymous comments.

The system permits you to not accept anonymous feedback and/or to delete any comment at all that you want to. When you choose to rant instead about unfavorable comments as your suggestion puts forward, you are just playing into the hands of the trolls among the unfavorable commenters.

And I go back to spitting in the wind. If you have a suggestion for a category change, PM Laurel directly (private message system, top right of this page). No one on this forum can do a thing for you on this issue. Or just don't submit stories here.

 

[ILienBagby]

Dear sr71...

Well, no, "bad" anonymous comments aren't just what you describe. Some of them are spot on concerning the quality of the story. And I won't be surprised to learn that there are more "bad" favorable anonymous comments than "bad" unfavorable anonymous comments.

The system permits you to not accept anonymous feedback and/or to delete any comment at all that you want to. When you choose to rant instead about unfavorable comments as your suggestion puts forward, you are just playing into the hands of the trolls among the unfavorable commenters.

And I go back to spitting in the wind. If you have a suggestion for a category change, PM Laurel directly (private message system, top right of this page). No one on this forum can do a thing for you on this issue. Or just don't submit stories here.

At the risk of appearing to be out of control and angry, I will say just two things before I leave my computer as I must right now. (1) I notice that insted of responding to my response to you, you merely repeated your earlier post, and, (2) you surely might have noticed that my comments about a new category (reread my original post) was not intended as a serious proposal, but as a comment about mr. anon.

 

[sr71plt]

At the risk of appearing to be out of control and angry, I will say just two things before I leave my computer as I must right now. (1) I notice that insted of responding to my response to you, you merely repeated your earlier post, and, (2) you surely might have noticed that my comments about a new category (reread my original post) was not intended as a serious proposal, but as a comment about mr. anon.

Well, yes, your anger is your problem. And you're not having much luck projecting it on either anonymous or the website. The website gives you tools--certainly enough if what you really want isn't just praise. If you can't take the heat that is a natural part of playing on the Internet, just don't play on the Internet. Isn't your problem that you want the positive anonymous comments and not the negative ones? If that's not your problem, the answer is obvious--just turn anonymous comments off. The website is giving you that power.

I repeated what I had first posted, because you ignored it. And, sorry, that's the answer to your problem. Reacting to "anonymous-negative" in this manner and most other manners is just feeding "anonymous-negative's" satisfaction, and the forum is not a place to get satisfaction for your problem.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I guess I should have made myself clearer. Posting a story by definition means that the character in the story is defined, described and (if the story has any quality at all) made real, made alive. Yes, anonymous "good" reviews don't require animus. "Bad" anonymous comments are different in that whether they accomplish their purpose or not, they are INTENDED to harm the author. Tell me, Penn Lady (or sir71plt, or scouries) when you are at a family gathering (or any social or business meeting), and you hear someone spout racist or anti-gay or sexual bias or unfeeling comments about a handicapped person what do you do? Ignore it? Turn the other cheek? Those spouters of hate assume that their messages are affecting people....of course they a.s.s.u.m.e., they are fools, aren't they. Any story in which an anon appears as a character will surely make that anon to be the fool he or she is. Yes, stupid, crazy, biased comments get under my skin, but what gets under my skin more than the comment is the fact that Literotica allows biased, hate-spewing, meth addicted ass holes to throw up their idiocies while hiding their faces and identities. Would you, Penn Lady; would you, scouries; would yousir71plyt, were you to meet up not say anything to that racist at your family gathering?

You are being illogical, as Penn Lady succinctly said. Personifying anonymous characters seems to defeat the object and is not the point you make here. Yes, many of us remain silent at gatherings as eclectic as weddings, business dinners and conferences when disliking objectionable comments from non-anonymous mouths. We often say nothing, not to protect the speaker but to preserve peace and tranquillity. Are we cowards? Yes, but preserving family/business harmony (even job preservation) often outweighs the cheap thrill of making a scene.

As sr says, there won't be a new category. You have the power as author to delete any public or private comment that offends your sense of amour propre. I think this should be used exceedingly rarely as it runs against free speech and reveals a writer's thin skin. As Rudyard Kipling wrote;

"If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat the two the same, you'll be a man, my son."

PS. Think this is the same as sr's,"If you can't stand the heat stay out of the Internet kitchen."

 

[TxRad]

STOP your whining!!! Are you related to that nakedsub guy? You sound just like him.

FYI A recent study conducted by MANU showed that 87% of "Anonymous" comments were positive. And yet no one complains about those "anonymous" comments.​

Bullshit. Show where Manu made this statement.

 

[ILienBagby]

Well, yes, your anger is your problem. And you're not having much luck projecting it on either anonymous or the website. The website gives you tools--certainly enough if what you really want isn't just praise. If you can't take the heat that is a natural part of playing on the Internet, just don't play on the Internet. Isn't your problem that you want the positive anonymous comments and not the negative ones? If that's not your problem, the answer is obvious--just turn anonymous comments off. The website is giving you that power.

I repeated what I had first posted, because you ignored it. And, sorry, that's the answer to your problem. Reacting to "anonymous-negative" in this manner and most other manners is just feeding "anonymous-negative's" satisfaction, and the forum is not a place to get satisfaction for your problem.

Dear siretc.

Oh, you are saying that I am not permitted to vent my anger. It makes me feel good to say mean things about anonymous. You seem to know a lot about psychology: mine and even the anon person's mode of thinking, your advice about anger hints at psychological insight. Surely, you might have come across the concept of "venting for relief," (I'm sure that Oprah had a program about that.) And by the way, I started this line by reacting in praise to a story I read on Lit. Yes, I don't like those anons. I don't know if you are aware of whom I speak when I say anon. I am not talking about those you cite; those person's deserve their anonymity, they mean no ill. The anons I refer to are haters, spewers of racist and sexist filth. I don't deny their right to spew (I leave those comments up when they are sent), why would you speak to me on this thread about my equal right to say it.

 

[PennLady]

Yes, stupid, crazy, biased comments get under my skin, but what gets under my skin more than the comment is the fact that Literotica allows biased, hate-spewing, meth addicted ass holes to throw up their idiocies while hiding their faces and identities. Would you, Penn Lady; would you, scouries; would yousir71plyt, were you to meet up not say anything to that racist at your family gathering?

Literotica also allows thoughtful comments and constructive criticism from people who would prefer their identities not be known. As SR says, you have the ability to block anonymous comments, or to delete any comment you want, for whatever reason. I've done it myself once or twice.

And your comparison is no good. Were I at a gathering with people I know, I'd like to think I'd say something. Fortunately, it hasn't come up (mostly b/c I don't go to many gatherings, plus I know nice people).

But these are anonymous people. I don't know who they are and I don't care. There is no point in calling them on their comments -- they won't care, and I'm pretty sure wouldn't come back to see what you've said about them anyway. I still say that what you're proposing is fine in terms of venting for authors, but would serve no other purpose.

They have the freedom and ability to leave vile comments, YOU have the freedom and ability to delete or block them. Get proactive.

 

[ILienBagby]

Let me get the last word in here...please.

You are being illogical, as Penn Lady succinctly said. Personifying anonymous characters seems to defeat the object and is not the point you make here. Yes, many of us remain silent at gatherings as eclectic as weddings, business dinners and conferences when disliking objectionable comments from non-anonymous mouths. We often say nothing, not to protect the speaker but to preserve peace and tranquillity. Are we cowards? Yes, but preserving family/business harmony (even job preservation) often outweighs the cheap thrill of making a scene.

As sr says, there won't be a new category. You have the power as author to delete any public or private comment that offends your sense of amour propre. I think this should be used exceedingly rarely as it runs against free speech and reveals a writer's thin skin. As Rudyard Kipling wrote;

"If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat the two the same, you'll be a man, my son."

PS. Think this is the same as sr's,"If you can't stand the heat stay out of the Internet kitchen."

First, I wrote the first intro to this thread as much to praise a story I had just enjoyed as to criticize those anons. I must say, that I don't subscribe to the theory of ignoring ugliness to preserve the illusion of peace and harmony. I guess, we will have to differ on that subject.

 

[PennLady]

First, I wrote the first intro to this thread as much to praise a story I had just enjoyed as to criticize those anons. I must say, that I don't subscribe to the theory of ignoring ugliness to preserve the illusion of peace and harmony. I guess, we will have to differ on that subject.

It's great that you wanted to praise a story, and I'm figuring you left feedback there as well so the author could see it. It is frustrating to see the anonymous comments you're talking about. It makes you wonder why they read a story in the first place, or how lacking their lives must be in other ways if they have all this time to leave such comments.

I just don't see how a Stories About Anonymous category is going to instill any fear (as you mentioned above) in an anonymous commenter, or deter any future ones.

 

[loquere]

Great idea

I think there would be copywrite problems blah blah. I mean I would'nt write a twenty pager but for quick idea's why the fuck not.

I love this I have taken down quite a few stories off this sight for personal reasons so anonymouse would be awsome.

 

[lovecraft68]

I suppose it could be a fun plot bunny. My first idea would be a femdom story.

The woman is a lit author who writes BDSM. She has some anymouse troll commenting all the time she couldn't dom anything.

She starts dating this guy and long story short finds out its him. She normally doesn't go "domme" in her relationships, she usually just writes about it, but now makes an exception.

Story ends with her making him read one of her stories out loud.

While he's hand cuffed on his knees and she's pegging him.

 

[Leanmeangoblin]

Anonymous--Fight, Fight, Fight?

So many Literotica authors are and have been bedeviled by irrational, vile, sick and unpleasantly biased comments from that Anonymous, frustrating the authors who have worked hard on their stories.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

Hello, ILienBagby...

I sympathized with your frustration and anger. Yet, what you suggested will not solve the "problem" you perceived as such, but will only stoke and stroke the ego of these bunch of anons waiting in the wings to uproot their "victim" and feast on it.

I had three such unpleasant comments hanging right now at the end of my posted essay, and I allowed it to stay. Why? Simply because I read a lot first in "Writers' Resources" and already understood the rough terrain I am getting into, once I post my first story.

Truth is, this practice of negative criticisms is also in place and in practice in other writers' community--without even hiding themselves in anonymity. It seems it has become a part of human nature to crush the newbies and celebrate and toast the idols they identified with--following blindly the rule of the mob.

Here are some of the titles in the Writer's Resources that helped me to understand and realize what and where my position is in this online community of erotica writers:

Always Anonymous by Transverse

Be A God! by Bad Santa

Dealing With Negative Feedback by Killer Muffin

How To Deal With Negative Feedback by Master_Vassago

Read them, and since you're matured and experienced enough in writing, weigh their suggestions, their opinions, their experiences, and you'll find between the lines their healed old scars.

Also, re-read the answers of the Lit gurus, sirs, and madonnas who have expressed honest and sincere answers to your suggestion...You'll find there's more truth to it than can be found in the simmering hatred in your bruised heart.

I hope you'll find solace into thinking that you're not alone.

 

[nakdsub]

TxRad...

Pay no attention to scouris...
Scouries doesn’t want to see the anonymous black curtain go away because he’s the biggest anonymous wanker out their. He’s like the proverbial little boy who throws rocks then hides behind his mama’s skirt for her protection. It gives his life meaning. I know it’s not much, but when you’re the kind of cockroach he is, anything is better than nothing.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Hello, ILienBagby...

I sympathized with your frustration and anger. Yet, what you suggested will not solve the "problem" you perceived as such, but will only stoke and stroke the ego of these bunch of anons waiting in the wings to uproot their "victim" and feast on it.

I had three such unpleasant comments hanging right now at the end of my posted essay, and I allowed it to stay. Why? Simply because I read a lot first in "Writers' Resources" and already understood the rough terrain I am getting into, once I post my first story.

Truth is, this practice of negative criticisms is also in place and in practice in other writers' community--without even hiding themselves in anonymity. It seems it has become a part of human nature to crush the newbies and celebrate and toast the idols they identified with--following blindly the rule of the mob.

Here are some of the titles in the Writer's Resources that helped me to understand and realize what and where my position is in this online community of erotica writers:

Always Anonymous by Transverse

Be A God! by Bad Santa

Dealing With Negative Feedback by Killer Muffin

How To Deal With Negative Feedback by Master_Vassago

Read them, and since you're matured and experienced enough in writing, weigh their suggestions, their opinions, their experiences, and you'll find between the lines their healed old scars.

Also, re-read the answers of the Lit gurus, sirs, and madonnas who have expressed honest and sincere answers to your suggestion...You'll find there's more truth to it than can be found in the simmering hatred in your bruised heart.

I hope you'll find solace into thinking that you're not alone.

Well said and very good advice. Thick skins are required here.

 

[Leanmeangoblin]

In Any Business, For That Matter!

Well said and very good advice. Thick skins are required here.

LOL! I forgot that one, but true, indeed.

As the old patriarchs/matriarchs of the publishing and literary industry often cautioned new and aspiring authors--"You need to be thick-skinned to survive."