Safe_Bet
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Underage sex/sex with minors
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You're not talking about this lol, you haven't made a single cogent point. Why are you in this thread even? A thread topic you don't want to talk about :drunk:
BTW there's no connection between all being doomed and where I publish my stories. There would only be one if some sites were doomed but not others
Stella_Omega
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the real reason is because the owners want it this way, they have always wanted it this way, and plenty of folk have tried all kinds of arguments to get them to change their minds and they won't.Hmm, yeah I see. But NC and incest were as much a part of the target as paedophilia apparently. And did the WFI define paedophilia as <18 or <16 or something else?
And what about xnxx, sexstorypost, asstr, Lush and all the others? They should be doomed along with Literotica.
So it doesn't seem like much of a reason for 18 to me, tbh.
I just looked it up-- literotica.com was registered in 1998!
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TxRad
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You're not talking about this lol, you haven't made a single cogent point. Why are you in this thread even? A thread topic you don't want to talk about :drunk:
BTW there's no connection between all being doomed and where I publish my stories. There would only be one if some sites were doomed but not others
A good number of years ago a thread much like this one was started. It's focus was on what stories were underage stories and why they were allowed and others were not. Later on a group of people used this information to try and take down parts of this site. The same thread surfaced a few years ago and once again they tried to damage the site and get parts of it shut down.
I'm not sure how Laurel and manu handled it but the 18 rule was part of the saving grace.
So when discussions like this come up people get nervous. The rule is there for a reason. It might just be laurel's and manu's reason but then again it's their football.
You want to write about under 18, go somewhere else or try and change Laurel's mind. Good luck with the latter.
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This is what laurel wrote on the last thread like this. Maybe it will clarify things somewhat.
Hi writers!
For clarification and future reference: we do allow characters under the age of 18 in stories. What we don't allow are stories in which characters under the age of 18 are involved in sexual situations. This includes as voyeurs, as the object of a voyeur, masturbation, having sexual thoughts, and so on.
We do allow references to past activity in stories so long as it is not explicit. For example, an adult character referencing his or her history - "I lost my virginity when I was 15" - is fine. Explicit and/or salacious details are not.
These are not new rules nor have our content rules changed in many years.
As far as things slipping through: one thing to realize is that the stories are not approved by a robot or script. They are approved by human eyes, which tire easily as I age.
Mistakes happen. The site has been on a huge growth streak in the past year, with readership & unique visitors up nearly 20%. This means a corresponding growth in submissions. We want to post stories to the site as quickly as possible for you authors. We also want to make sure that the updates are as top-quality as they can be - with a minimum of formatting errors and no forbidden content inadvertently posted. Thorough checking of stories and timely posting is a balance we will continue to work to get right.
I'd like to be able to read every story through, but I can't. Reading 100+ stories/novels a night - much less formatting, tagging, etc. - is just not possible. So, if while skimming I see something that sends up a red flag and further reading doesn't clarify things, I often send it back to the author. If I stopped and read through each novel we receive to check on whether an underage character is sexually active at any point, I would be even further behind than I already am.
When a story is sent back to you for any reason, this is not a final rejection and it is not meant to be taken personally. This just means we have issues or questions. You are free to resubmit either with corrections - or, if you think we're wrong, an explanation of why we're wrong in the NOTES field.
If you believe your story was rejected in error, please open the submission, respond to the rejection in the NOTES field of the submission, and hit SUBMIT. Please do not add the word EDITED to the title, as that denotes someone editing an already approved story. Since we process all edits after the new stories are posted, adding the word EDITED to a title will cause a delay in the posting of your new story. If you are submitting an edit of a rejected story, simply open the rejected form, make the changes in that form, and hit SUBMIT. Do not start a new submission.
If you have any questions, feel free to PM me anytime. PMs are faster than emails.
Thanks everybody, especially those who let me know about this thread - and have a great weekend!
sr71plt
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Anyway I have been a 16-year-old girl, and sex was wonderful I can tell you
Now I am 20, though how that affects your argument I can't imagine!
Probably not much at all, since Cruel2Kind was recently a 16-year-old girl too. (The poster is female.)
And I believe that the answer to the question of why arguing the website's underage rule ad nauseum irritates so many here and elicits screams of frustration every time it's brought up is that (A) there's not a damn thing anyone posting to the forums can do about it (this isn't a democracy), and (B) I wager most of us wouldn't change it even if we were given a vote. It's enough that we have to explain the rule twice a week to folks who won't read the site FAQs and don't seem to understand the nature of a privately owned website. For them then to get hardheaded and argumentative about something that forum members don't control really challenges the patience.
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Stella_Omega
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and it's the umpteenth time it's been said-- even in this thread.Mmm, that IS credible
No not really, it's been people stating the obvious, "the rule is the rule" and so on. Complaining they shouldn't be cruelly forced to discuss it again lol, being territorial and defensive and sometimes impolite.
But some helpful responses too.
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No, they were collateral damage. What seems to have happened is that WFI contacted them specifically about under-age material (I don't know what ages were involved). LJ responded by taking down not only the material that WFI had complained about, but also a whole heap of other material that didn't interest WFI in the slightest. (LJ management have a track record of handling this sort of thing ineptly, and then fanning the flames through poor communication with their users.)
One LJ user contacted WFI to discuss the issue, and their response is quoted here: http://liz-marcs.livejournal.com/266996.html?style=mine Excerpts from the WFI response:
In one of the posts about the LJ problem, I said... "LiveJournal (LJ) has many sexually explicit "journals" or personal sites that it hosts. I have no problem with that. It's intended for adults and is legal, adult oriented material. LJ allows free sites for people to post their personal thoughts and feelings and to let anyone view this and comment on it. I have no problem with that either. LJ also allows admitted child rapists, child molesters, and child abusers unlimited freedom to post about their exploitation and abuse. I have a serious problem with this."
I assumed that this would clarify the types of journals that we were targeting for deletions. Obviously it did not, and I apologize for that. The sites we target and that we turned into LJ were true pedophile sites. There were many sites that listed incest as it related to 'age play'. I did not include these sites in the list because they are obviously not pedophile sites.
Collateral damage is a big part of what I was talking about above. In this particular case it was inflicted by LJ management, but it can happen by other means as well.
And what about xnxx, sexstorypost, asstr, Lush and all the others? They should be doomed along with Literotica
I never said anything about 'doomed'. I say that hosting under-age material is a risk. Sometimes people who take risks get lucky and avoid the harmful consequences; sometimes they don't. It's up to the site owners to decide whether they like the odds.
Teddybarehead
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Why would you even want to write about an underage pair in sexual situations. When i hear age play it's usually either a kid trying to cyber or a pedophile trying to fantasize... Either way... no. Just no.
Oh OK, fair enough, the article I found said rape and incest were part of it.
Anyway this is all irrelevant since 16 is not underage. Even the moralists at Lushstories think 16 is OK, and they chuck out a story that even hints at nonconsent - like a dream about being chased!
Yeah I agree. Maybe I should start a new thread saying 16.
SEVERUSMAX
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Possible, but not recommended.
Lol, why? It would remove 90% of the misunderstanding and this thread could be allowed to die gracefully.
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It won't resolve the root issue, which is in Laurel's hands, not ours. It amounts to a "let's bash the admin" thread, though I doubt you mean it that way.
Look, I respect that you have strong views on this subject, but let me put to you this way. There have been plenty of threads where others have pointed out to me when the Emperor wasn't wearing any clothes. Sometimes only time and a cooling of passions allowed me to see what my rage and tunnel vision prevented me from seeing back then. I'm no dunce, but like everyone, I can get lost on the road to hell and its paving of good intentions. Sometimes, you have to feel the heat and smell the smoke to realize where you're going before it's too late. That despite the screams of those trying to warn you.
So it is when people are trying to explain to you the futility in this moot topic. It does nothing but stir people to no avail. The policy is out of our hands and given California law, that's not going to change any time soon.
I mean you nothing but a little useful guidance.
It won't resolve the root issue, which is in Laurel's hands, not ours. It amounts to a "let's bash the admin" thread, though I doubt you mean it that way.
Look, I respect that you have strong views on this subject, but let me put to you this way. There have been plenty of threads where others have pointed out to me when the Emperor wasn't wearing any clothes. Sometimes only time and a cooling of passions allowed me to see what my rage and tunnel vision prevented me from seeing back then. I'm no dunce, but like everyone, I can get lost on the road to hell and its paving of good intentions. Sometimes, you have to feel the heat and smell the smoke to realize where you're going before it's too late. That despite the screams of those trying to warn you.
So it is when people are trying to explain to you the futility in this moot topic. It does nothing but stir people to no avail. The policy is out of our hands and given California law, that's not going to change any time soon.
I mean you nothing but a little useful guidance.
Alright thank you, I accept that as a benevolent post
I certainly would not bash Laurel anyway, she seems a lovely person and this is a brilliant site. I wouldn't say I have strong feelings so much as just really wanting to publish here! And this 18 thing is in my way with some of my stories that are about coming-of-age and just don't work at 18.
Alright well maybe I will take a time-out on it, at least. Maybe
SEVERUSMAX
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Alright thank you, I accept that as a benevolent post
I certainly would not bash Laurel anyway, she seems a lovely person and this is a brilliant site. I wouldn't say I have strong feelings so much as just really wanting to publish here! And this 18 thing is in my way with some of my stories that are about coming-of-age and just don't work at 18.
Alright well maybe I will take a time-out on it, at least. Maybe
I appreciate that you're taking it in the spirit in which it was given. I hope to see you post outside of this context and give you, like everyone else here, a fresh start. Peace.
FYI....there are plenty of stories that I have on other sites and don't post here because of that rule, but that's different rules, different stories, and different sites (not to mention that the main alternate site is Canadian, so different laws, too). I'm part of a whole sci-fi that I don't post here because of that, but I respect that Laurel has her reasons and I've learned to separate and compartmentalize the sites in my mind. Just my own personal experience as it is relevant.
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Cruel2BKind
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The thing that bothers me is why you are so adamant about it.
You said you couldn't publish some of your stories. Give me one situation where the story couldn't be changed so the characters were older. If your stories are really all about sixteen year olds, I'm sure you could make the simple transition.
You said you couldn't publish some of your stories. Give me one situation where the story couldn't be changed so the characters were older. If your stories are really all about sixteen year olds, I'm sure you could make the simple transition.
Well for example in one there are two girls, great friends, who have just started having sex together. They catch one of their mothers kissing a strange girl, so they start watching and catch her dad fucking the girl too. They find it's a regular thing so they follow her mum on their bikes, in relays over several days. Turns out her mum and dad are secretly researching genetically engineered hermaphrodites, with a space alien. There are 5 hermaphrodites and the girls fuck them as they are lovely. They visit the aliens and get mind-control fucked but break out, discovering their own power as they do so. They need that extra power as they find the hermaphrodites are about to be put to sleep, so they intervene and save them at the last minute.
So it's an adventure story, in the style of a children's adventure story, about young people developing, discovering. If they were 18 it would all be different, they'd be able to drive and have more authority, a different relationship with the parents and everyone else they encounter. Even 16 is a bit of a compromise tbh, already, but viable.
So it's a sweet girl-power sex story really.
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That's adorable, and you should publish it somewhere.
You might try forbiddenfiction.com
Thanks, I have taken a look at them. Have you used them? It seems like you would publish there to get paid.
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