Underage sex/sex with minors

[MagicFlute]

Unless it's distilled in Kentucky, where it can be called Bourbon

Calling Bourbon whisky is a disgrace

 

[TxRad]

Calling Bourbon whisky is a disgrace

Spilling either one is a disgrace.

 

[MagicFlute]

Spilling either one is a disgrace.

Spilling scotch is a crime in some towns just slightly worse than mixing cola with it.penalty can be death.

 

[CarlusMagnus]

Calling Bourbon whisky is a disgrace

Well, of course! Bourbon is whiskey. Only Scotch is whisky.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Well, of course! Bourbon is whiskey. Only Scotch is whisky.

And every damn one is gross

 

[BTTap]

Blasphemy! No accounting for taste, I guess.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I was kinda obsessive about the Tolkein universe for a while and Silmarillion hadn't come out yet-- I have to say that stuff bored the fuck out of me. But before that I read everything I could find...

Yeah, I had some difficulty getting through the duller parts of the Silmarillion, too.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

And every damn one is gross

Respectfully disagree, but with affection. You can take the man out of the mountains, but you can't take the moonshiner out of the mountain man. Or something like that.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well, of course! Bourbon is whiskey. Only Scotch is whisky.

Spelling is everything. Whiskey is for us Americans (don't dare call me a "Yank" or "Yankee"), whereas whisky is for those in the former British Empire. Though I'm more than willing to drink both. (I'm including Canadian whisky out of my fondness for it.)

 

[sr71plt]

Yep, the whiskey vs. whisky imbriligo appears to be an "across the big pond" struggle, with the New York Times Style Manual, on the American style side favoring "whiskey" and the OED on the British style side favoring "whisky."

http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/whiskey-versus-whisky/

(In case it matters, an editor in American-style books woud be rendering it "whiskey," as that's the preferred spelling--by being the first listed--in Webster's Collegiate Dictionary)

 

[BTTap]

Yeah, I had some difficulty getting through the duller parts of the Silmarillion, too.

I dig the Silmarillion. Granted, you really need the glossary and family trees to follow it.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I dig the Silmarillion. Granted, you really need the glossary and family trees to follow it.

That explains a lot. I am impressed with how Tolkien created an entire world, just as I am with George R.R. Martin. It is my ambition to do much the same in a major work of fiction....create my own world with its own rules, traditions, history, religion, etc. It's still a work in progress at this point, but I'm getting there.

 

[TxRad]

That explains a lot. I am impressed with how Tolkien created an entire world, just as I am with George R.R. Martin. It is my ambition to do much the same in a major work of fiction....create my own world with its own rules, traditions, history, religion, etc. It's still a work in progress at this point, but I'm getting there.

Heinlein was still working on his universe right up to the end.

Dream big or stay home as they saying goes.

With today's internet and data bases, planet or world building would be easy. Now, a universe might take a while.

Getting the data base is one thing. Knowing what questions to ask is another.

Plot bunny anyone.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Heinlein was still working on his universe right up to the end.

Dream big or stay home as they saying goes.

With today's internet and data bases, planet or world building would be easy. Now, a universe might take a while.

Getting the data base is one thing. Knowing what questions to ask is another.

Plot bunny anyone.

Food for thought there....

 

[Handley_Page]

Spilling scotch is a crime in some towns just slightly worse than mixing cola with it.penalty can be death.

To a large extent, it depends on the scotch.
To do that to a good Single Malt is a crime outrageous, to a japanese bland may be permitted (under some circumstances)

 

[isobelh]

One thing I don't get about this site....

is its heavy-handed treatment of the sex with minors thing. The stories can have rape, incest (hell, whole categories are dedicated to those things), murder, mayhem and all sorts of illegal, immoral and objectionable behavior, but heaven forbid there is a reference to sex with someone under the age of 18. Guess what? The legal age of consent in most US states is 16. In many, it is 15, or even 13. Even when it is illegal for an adult to have sex with a minor, most states allow it if the older party is two years older or less. Even mainstream movies have often depicted underage sex (see Kids, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and The Lover, for a few examples) which might constitute a criminal statutory rape in the eyes of the law. But, you can depict it legally (and not be in danger of prosecution for child pornography) if it has artistic merit. I guess the powers that be at this site have decided to be very strict about such things and cut off any trouble at the pass, but it is a strange zero-tolerance policy.
Or is it? What is the Literotica editorial policy on depicting sexual activity by/between minors? I searched for it, but didn't find it.

I think this is a well-reasoned point. IMO the 18 rule is the single flaw in this site, so it is worth asking, even for the 100th time. Everything else about Literotica is so perfect.

The alternative to 18 is NOT paedophilia and jail it is simply 16, which is by far the most common age of consent in the US, Europe, and worldwide. That is a very sexy age, and one I've used in a couple of beautiful coming-of-age stories that I would love to post here, but they just don't work at 18.

Edit: titling the thread 'underage sex/with minors' was probably a bit misleading: 16 is not underage or minor, generally.

 

[PennLady]

I think this is a well-reasoned point. IMO the 18 rule is the single flaw in this site, so it is worth asking, even for the 100th time. Everything else about Literotica is so perfect.

The alternative to 18 is NOT paedophilia and jail it is simply 16, which is by far the most common age of consent in the US, Europe, and worldwide. That is a very sexy age, and one I've used in a couple of beautiful coming-of-age stories that I would love to post here, but they just don't work at 18.

Edit: titling the thread 'underage sex/with minors' was probably a bit misleading: 16 is not underage or minor, generally.

I think you'll find that few people here argue with the fact that most people have sex before they are eighteen. Even so, in many places, that constitutes statutory rape, regardless of the issue of consent. Age of consent and legal adulthood are, obviously, not the same thing.

But where does one draw the line? At 16? 14, which is the age of consent in some places? Literotica has chosen to draw the line at eighteen. They are not in this for realism, they are in this to make money and provide reading material, and likely in that order. I actually see no real reason to question this rule, since Lit is a private business; it's not a freedom of speech issue. This topic can make for interesting conversations, but that's about it.

And I'll go on a more personal note here. You may have written great stories about kids under eighteen having sex, but I'll be honest, I don't want to read about kids that young having sex. I avoid and click off stories with high-school age protagonists. And I think it's because I'm less interested in those experiences than I am in people forming lasting loving/romantic relationships, which sometimes happens at those ages, I admit, but probably isn't the majority. Like I said, it's a personal thing. If you want to write it, then go ahead, and I wish you luck with it.

But going back, the site owners have made their position clear (if hard to find).

 

[dicky911]

very true, and in any case people mature at different rates. My first GF was 13, and we had the support of her mom

 

[sr71plt]

Everything else is perfect about a story site that has a whole bunch of story categories that are straight but only one gay and lesbian and no bi category--and that sets up its money-awarded contests to be category based? Hardly. Just a counter observation.

 

[TxRad]

Everything else is perfect about a story site that has a whole bunch of story categories that are straight but only one gay and lesbian and no bi category--and that sets up its money-awarded contests to be category based? Hardly. Just a counter observation.

Just an observation that may or may not apply.

This site was set up in the (Mid?) 90's. That was 17 years ago and times have changed a lot since then in regards to gay stories. Back then they were probably a small part of the story board and no one thought to split them up into even smaller categories. Now, as large as the site is, it would be a programming nightmare to do.

 

[isobelh]

I think you'll find that few people here argue with the fact that most people have sex before they are eighteen. Even so, in many places, that constitutes statutory rape, regardless of the issue of consent. Age of consent and legal adulthood are, obviously, not the same thing.

But where does one draw the line? At 16? 14, which is the age of consent in some places? Literotica has chosen to draw the line at eighteen. They are not in this for realism, they are in this to make money and provide reading material, and likely in that order. I actually see no real reason to question this rule, since Lit is a private business; it's not a freedom of speech issue. This topic can make for interesting conversations, but that's about it.

And I'll go on a more personal note here. You may have written great stories about kids under eighteen having sex, but I'll be honest, I don't want to read about kids that young having sex. I avoid and click off stories with high-school age protagonists. And I think it's because I'm less interested in those experiences than I am in people forming lasting loving/romantic relationships, which sometimes happens at those ages, I admit, but probably isn't the majority. Like I said, it's a personal thing. If you want to write it, then go ahead, and I wish you luck with it.

But going back, the site owners have made their position clear (if hard to find).

I certainly wouldn't question the *right* of the site owners to set the limit wherever they like, nor would I want anyone to read a younger age than they wanted, by accident. But that's easily taken care of.

The reason to raise the question is the prospect of a bigger pool of stories and readers. The same reason the limit is not 21.

And the reasons for 18 are clearly not moral, since abuse stories are allowed, nor legal - unless someone actually knows of a website being prosecuted for stories?

So I wish they'd take a fresh look, is all I'm saying. Not that I'm holding my breath lol, but adding another small voice.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Just an observation that may or may not apply.

This site was set up in the (Mid?) 90's. That was 17 years ago and times have changed a lot since then in regards to gay stories. Back then they were probably a small part of the story board and no one thought to split them up into even smaller categories. Now, as large as the site is, it would be a programming nightmare to do.

No, it wouldn't.

All they have to do is add the category, let people choose to submit to it. Writers can request to transfer, via the resubmit routine.

If readers come across stories they think should be transferred into it, they can report 'em-- and the owners can ignore the reports as usual.

So I wish they'd take a fresh look, is all I'm saying. Not that I'm holding my breath lol, but adding another small voice.

What part of "never going to happen" is so hard to understand?

 

[sr71plt]

Just an observation that may or may not apply.

This site was set up in the (Mid?) 90's. That was 17 years ago and times have changed a lot since then in regards to gay stories. Back then they were probably a small part of the story board and no one thought to split them up into even smaller categories. Now, as large as the site is, it would be a programming nightmare to do.

I understand that point. I'm just pointing out how the site isn't "perfect" for all. (And I'd quibble that it's better off without underage stories than with them.) Of course a bi category could open up without any shuffling around of stories at all. Whatever there is of that that's here is almost impossible to find, so it would be little loss to start that up from scratch.

(I also think the site would be more "perfect" to just drop the money prizes for contests altogether. It might cut down on some of the cheating going on.)

But, again, I don't expect anything to change.

 

[TxRad]

No, it wouldn't.

All they have to do is add the category, let people choose to submit to it. Writers can request to transfer, via the resubmit routine.

If readers come across stories they think should be transferred into it, they can report 'em-- and the owners can ignore the reports as usual.

What part of "never going to happen" is so hard to understand?

Moving a story here and there would not be a problem but moving massive amounts of stories would. As for resubmitting to another category, I wonder what more of a load that would put on Laurel.

I'm all for more categories under GM & Lesbian and I agree they are needed, wholeheartedly.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Moving a story here and there would not be a problem but moving massive amounts of stories would. As for resubmitting to another category, I wonder what more of a load that would put on Laurel.

I'm all for more categories under GM & Lesbian and I agree they are needed, wholeheartedly.

I actually am a bit guilty of liking the 'catch-all' nature of the gay male cat. It makes the category bigger, and there's never that problem of submitting your story and worrying that it will go to a category that gets very few votes or comments.

I'm worried that if gay male gets split, that all of my stories might go to some seldom-read category. Like gay novels and novellas