Time to shut down the FBI

[GovernmentIsTheEnemy]

In a show of the police state Obama and the FBI are demanding back doors be placed on web sites SO THAT the FBI can watch. We must end the police state

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57428067-83/fbi-we-need-wiretap-ready-web-sites-now/?tag=nl.e703

All I can say is that Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and Google better stand up to this insanity and stop Obama's police state.

"The FBI is asking Internet companies not to oppose a controversial proposal that would require the firms, including Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and Google, to build in backdoors for government surveillance. "

 

[off2bed]

A few years, and the country will be broke and split up in a fire sale. Don't worry.

 

[Mike_Yates]

In a show of the police state Obama and the FBI are demanding back doors be placed on web sites SO THAT the FBI can watch. We must end the police state

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57428067-83/fbi-we-need-wiretap-ready-web-sites-now/?tag=nl.e703

All I can say is that Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and Google better stand up to this insanity and stop Obama's police state.

"The FBI is asking Internet companies not to oppose a controversial proposal that would require the firms, including Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and Google, to build in backdoors for government surveillance. "

You mean so that fascist corporations can enforce draconian copyright laws to further commercialize/monopolize the internet and push all the little people aside?

 

[eyer]

In a show of the police state Obama and the FBI are demanding back doors be placed on web sites SO THAT the FBI can watch. We must end the police state

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57428067-83/fbi-we-need-wiretap-ready-web-sites-now/?tag=nl.e703

All I can say is that Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and Google better stand up to this insanity and stop Obama's police state.

"The FBI is asking Internet companies not to oppose a controversial proposal that would require the firms, including Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and Google, to build in backdoors for government surveillance. "

Microsoft et al have long given back door access to the USSA government to all of their products they sell to overseas interests...

...that is the only way the USSA government permits Microsoft et al to participate in foreign commerce with what the USSA government would elsewise deem proprietary product vital to USSA national interests.

It was simply a matter of time before the corrupt federal government began domestic surveillance without any due process...

...welcome to the United Socialist State of America.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

If you aren't committing crimes what is the big deal?

Afraid they will find your kiddie porn are you?

 

[Mike_Yates]

The excessive security and surveillance in the United States has very little to do with fighting crime or terrorism, but rather bolstering the profits and market share of security industrial complex corporations.

Private corporations are making billions of dollars off of this privacy-invading nonsense. Former head of the Department of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff made millions of dollars (for himself) from the sale of the TSA porno-scanners to airports.

The American police state is largely the result of unscrupulous greed and corruption, and the cozy relationship between political power and greedy corporations/businesspeople.

In fact, the entire US government and national media is almost 100% controlled by private industry and corporate special interest.

Our deeply corrupt elected representatives have completely abandoned serving their constituents to placate the interests of the greedy criminals whom have bribed, threatened, and blackmailed them.

http://www.fopsobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/corporate_flag.jpg

Now, please stand for the corporate anthem.

 

[GovernmentIsTheEnemy]

This movement by the FBI clearly shows the Marxist Obama has declared war on the American Citizen

 

[eyer]

If you aren't committing crimes what is the big deal?

Afraid they will find your kiddie porn are you?

Good to know that if you ever took the oath to defend the Constitution...

...you flat-out lied.

 

[Comshaw]

If you aren't committing crimes what is the big deal?

Afraid they will find your kiddie porn are you?

That's a perfect question...if you live in China or North Korea. A more appropriate one for this country is: If I'm not doing anything illegal, why should they be allowed to invade my privacy?

The flip side of this whole concept is control. Not control of the people but control of those doing the surveillance. For me that raises many questions. Who's watching the watchers? What are they doing with the information once it's gathered?

Shades of J Edgar and his secret files.

I don't have a problem with catching bad guys, AS LONG as it's done without trampling the rights and freedoms of the people they are trying to protect. We would have very little, if any crime if law enforcement and the government were given every tool available. But we would also be devoid of any semblance of freedom.

It's a balancing act, a choice; retaining as much freedom as possible while allowing those who provide our safety and security tools to enhance their job.

Personally in this instance, I have to come down on the side of freedom.


'nuff said.




Comshaw

 

[mercury14]

It was simply a matter of time before the corrupt federal government began domestic surveillance without any due process...

...welcome to the United Socialist State of America.

Please describe for us what socialist has to do with domestic surveillance without due process. This ought to be good. Because all this crap is favored by the Republican Party

GOP pushing for ISPs to record user data

New Republican majority plans to revive efforts to force Internet service providers to keep track of user activity, a proposal that could sweep in Web firms as well. The House Republicans' first major technology initiative is about to be unveiled: a push to force Internet companies to keep track of what their users are doing.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html

 

[mercury14]

That's a perfect question...if you live in China or North Korea. A more appropriate one for this country is: If I'm not doing anything illegal, why should they be allowed to invade my privacy?

According to what I'm reading nobody's privacy is being invaded except criminals. The FBI is asking for the ability to wiretap VOIP services which use encryption such as Skype. Current law allows the FBI to wiretap phone calls but then along came the age of VOIP, text messaging, and email that have largely replaced telecommunications. So when the terrorists and kiddie porn peddlers chat over Skype instead of the telephone the FBI can't listen in very easily.

As far as who's watching the watchers, the FBI would still have to go through the usual process of getting a judicial warrant. Except in cases where they're tracking terrorists since that goes back to the same NSA/FISA situation.

 

[mercury14]

Good to know that if you ever took the oath to defend the Constitution...

...you flat-out lied.

Eyer thinks his opinion outweighs courts.

 

[eyer]

Eyer thinks his opinion outweighs courts.

Dude, my d!ck "outweighs" your brain...

...gnaw on that.

 

[Saint Peter]

Dude, my d!ck "outweighs" your brain...

...gnaw on that.

I doubt that.

 

[eyer]

I doubt that.

"doubt" all you need to, playgrounder...

...the telltale is that you even thought about it.

 

[Mike_Yates]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho

 

[richard_daily]

According to what I'm reading nobody's privacy is being invaded except criminals. The FBI is asking for the ability to wiretap VOIP services which use encryption such as Skype. Current law allows the FBI to wiretap phone calls but then along came the age of VOIP, text messaging, and email that have largely replaced telecommunications. So when the terrorists and kiddie porn peddlers chat over Skype instead of the telephone the FBI can't listen in very easily.

As far as who's watching the watchers, the FBI would still have to go through the usual process of getting a judicial warrant. Except in cases where they're tracking terrorists since that goes back to the same NSA/FISA situation.

Here's the problem with government surveillance:

They're using the "shotgun" effect.

They're basically filtering everyone's email, and looking for specific keywords and phrases, which will then cause someone to be looked at more closely.

There is no need for warrants and there's no oversight under the current surveillance structure, which is supported by telecoms and plutocrats.


It's unamerican, and it's a violation of the principals that this country was supposedly founded upon.

 

[richard_daily]

Dude, my d!ck "outweighs" your brain...

...gnaw on that.

You want him to gnaw on your d!ck?

How very homo-erotic of you to suggest it.

 

[mercury14]

Here's the problem with government surveillance:

They're using the "shotgun" effect.

They're basically filtering everyone's email, and looking for specific keywords and phrases, which will then cause someone to be looked at more closely.

There is no need for warrants and there's no oversight under the current surveillance structure, which is supported by telecoms and plutocrats.


It's unamerican, and it's a violation of the principals that this country was supposedly founded upon.

Well yeah that's the warrant-less terrorism thing I mentioned. As far as I'm aware that doesn't apply to any other kinds of crimes the FBI investigates.

 

[mercury14]

"doubt" all you need to, playgrounder...

...the telltale is that you even thought about it.

Hey bro, you're the one who added cock to this thread about... the FBI. Don't go blamin' Pete for your fondness for male sex organs.

You and Vette share the same cock/ball/asshole habit for when you get frustrated. It's cute and I support rights for people like you two, but maybe you two should take it to PMs?

 

[Mike_Yates]

Terrorism is practically nonexistent.

Most terrorist organizations are secretly controlled by the CIA.

 

[eyer]

You want him to gnaw on your d!ck?

How very homo-erotic of you to suggest it.

As your fellow playgrounder originally brought-up above...

...it's actually the thought that counts.

So...

...you'll just have to sate that natural appetite of yours elsewhere.

Sorry, dick...

 

[eyer]

...I support rights for people like you...

I'd rather have a nickel, atlas...