Are Liberals more likely to be Submissive, and Conservatives Dominant?

[pornstarwannabe]

Traditionally, Liberals are in the "cradle to grave" crowd. Using, or in search of, a government program that Liberals can rely on in their daily lives.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are in the "everyone gets equal opportunity, but equal results are not guaranteed. Let me live my life, and get of of my way."

Seems reasonable that Liberals would be more likely to be the Submissive party in a Master-Slave relationship. And Conservatives, well, the master.

 

[renard_ruse]

There are more than those two ideological sets of views. I don't fall into either of those two definitions you've stated.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

There are more than those two ideological sets of views. I don't fall into either of those two definitions you've stated.

But they are the 2 that matter most.

 

[Adre]

It sounds to me you're arriving at the conclusion you want. What are you basing this on?

 

[pornstarwannabe]

It sounds to me you're arriving at the conclusion you want. What are you basing this on?

Read the OP again.

 

[mercury14]

Conservatives, on the other hand, are in the "everyone gets equal opportunity, but equal results are not guaranteed. Let me live my life, and get of of my way."

This is the liberal belief system, not the conservative one. The conservative one could give a shit about equal opportunity.

 

[Adre]

Read the OP again.

Thanks for the advice, but I don't need to read it again. You are making gross generalizations and then extending them to reach the conclusions that you like. For instance, I might be of a liberal bent, but I have never asked for or accepted a handout in my life. In fact, I could buy and sell many of my conservative friends.

 

[mercury14]

Thanks for the advice, but I don't need to read it again. You are making gross generalizations and then extending them to reach the conclusions that you like. For instance, I might be of a liberal bent, but I have never asked for or accepted a handout in my life. In fact, I could buy and sell many of my conservative friends.

PSW picks ideas he wants to be true, then goes backwards to try to find some support for them. It's cart-before-the-horse thinking but don't expect him to change.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Thanks for the advice, but I don't need to read it again. You are making gross generalizations and then extending them to reach the conclusions that you like. For instance, I might be of a liberal bent, but I have never asked for or accepted a handout in my life. In fact, I could buy and sell many of my conservative friends.

PSW picks ideas he wants to be true, then goes backwards to try to find some support for them. It's cart-before-the-horse thinking but don't expect him to change.

To you both: I did not claim anything. I summed up what Libs and Cons believe. Then went on to say that it seems reasonable to think Libs, since they are used to be cared for by the government (generally speaking), would be the submissive.

 

[Lady Reiha]

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[mercury14]

To you both: I did not claim anything.

Yes you did.

Then went on to say that it seems reasonable to think Libs, since they are used to be cared for by the government (generally speaking), would be the submissive.

That's a claim.

I summed up what Libs and Cons believe.

No you didn't. You said words but that's all.

 

[badbabysitter]

To you both: I did not claim anything.

yes, you did.. right here

Traditionally, Liberals are in the "cradle to grave" crowd. Using, or in search of, a government program that Liberals can rely on in their daily lives.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are in the "everyone gets equal opportunity, but equal results are not guaranteed. Let me live my life, and get of of my way."

Seems reasonable that Liberals would be more likely to be the Submissive party in a Master-Slave relationship. And Conservatives, well, the master.

those are claims

I summed up what Libs and Cons believe.

do you have empirical evidence to support this?

if not.. it's an unsubstantiated claim

simple basic logic

Then went on to say that it seems reasonable to think Libs, since they are used to be cared for by the government (generally speaking), would be the submissive.

one can say the same about conservatives just as easily..,

 

[pornstarwannabe]

do you have empirical evidence to support this?

if not.. it's an unsubstantiated claim

simple basic logic

If I have to state "evidence" that Liberals like big government and government programs, and Conservatives like small government and for government to get out of the way, then you need to do a better job at acquiring knowledge of both ideologies.

 

[mercury14]

If I have to state "evidence" that Liberals like big government and government programs, and Conservatives like small government and for government to get out of the way, then you need to do a better job at acquiring knowledge of both ideologies.

Both parties like big government. The debate that goes on between them is over what breed of big government is preferable.

 

[Adre]

To you both: I did not claim anything. I summed up what Libs and Cons believe. Then went on to say that it seems reasonable to think Libs, since they are used to be cared for by the government (generally speaking), would be the submissive.

I guess I have to repeat this: I am not used to be cared for by the government. I have worked for a living, bought my own goods, and paid plenty of taxes. As for submission or dominance, given the choice I would fuck you up the ass, not the reverse. If I were so inclined. You should be less sure about what others believe.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

If I have to state "evidence" that Liberals and conservatives like big government and government programs, and Libertarians like small government and for government to get out of the way, then you need to do a better job at acquiring knowledge of both ideologies.

FYP

You conservatives talk all this small government bullshit yet you are so quick to tell others how to live their lives.....just like the lefties. lol

If conservatives really were into limited gov there would be no war on drugs, abortion would not be a political issue, I could buy booze at 9am on sunday and they sure as shit wouldn't have tried to pass a bill that would allow the gov to censor the interwebs.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Both parties like big government. The debate that goes on between them is over what breed of big government is preferable.

Typical Lib response.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

I guess I have to repeat this: I am not used to be cared for by the government. I have worked for a living, bought my own goods, and paid plenty of taxes. As for submission or dominance, given the choice I would fuck you up the ass, not the reverse. If I were so inclined. You should be less sure about what others believe.

Atypical Lib.

 

[Liar]

A brief fallacy analysis:

The OP consists of two fallacious extrapolations upon a bad faith assumption of false ortogonality and hegemony fabrication, followed by a willful exclusion based on that same bad faith assumption.

It's actually quite impressive.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I've never quite gotten past the concept that even taken at it's worst is demanding to be paid for sitting on your ass is the behavior of a submissive person. And I don't mean the OP but just the general logic that getting a check for your food and shelter makes you MORE of a slave than someone who is basically compelled to go to a job everyday for either hours to get that same check. Oh and have the immense satisfaction that showing up to Vons inherently gives people. I think we're confused over who's the king and who's the horse here from the get go.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

Nothing?? Not going to defend the conservatives 'small gov.' stance hua?

Not going to explain how denying people the right to live how they see fit is all about 'small gov' hua?

What about the republican's hard on for 'tough on crime' because they all own and or are invested in the private prison industry? Common let me hear all about liberty and freedom for the party of pro private prisons.....

COMMON!!! we imprison more people than communist china that has 5x our population much to the multi billion dollar benefit of the GOP.

Let's hear about how we can't have universal healthcare for cheaper than the medicaid/medicare we have now because GOP supported and invested big pharm and insurance get to racket TRILLIONS off the taxpayer?

Limited gov...pfft...fucking posers.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Nothing?? Not going to defend the conservatives 'small gov.' stance hua?

Not going to explain how denying people the right to live how they see fit is all about 'small gov' hua?

What about the republican's hard on for 'tough on crime' because they all own and or are invested in the private prison industry? Common let me hear all about liberty and freedom for the party of pro private prisons.....

COMMON!!! we imprison more people than communist china that has 5x our population much to the multi billion dollar benefit of the GOP.

Let's hear about how we can't have universal healthcare for cheaper than the medicaid/medicare we have now because GOP supported and invested big pharm and insurance get to racket TRILLIONS off the taxpayer?

Limited gov...pfft...fucking posers.

Just saw this. Ya know, I have other things to do than just cruise Lit. But because you tried to coerce me into a response, I shall not provide one. No likey, hua?

 

[badbabysitter]

If I have to state "evidence" that Liberals like big government and government programs, and Conservatives like small government and for government to get out of the way, then you need to do a better job at acquiring knowledge of both ideologies.

Yes, actually you do have to back up your statements when called on them.. it's called being a grown up

 

[badbabysitter]

Just saw this. Ya know, I have other things to do than just cruise Lit. But because you tried to coerce me into a response, I shall not provide one. No likey, hua?

translation

I got nothing

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

Just saw this. Ya know, I have other things to do than just cruise Lit. But because you tried to coerce me into a response, I shall not provide one. No likey, hua?

Oh no response is just fine by me....I'll take it as
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Just remember every time you tout freedom and liberty as your party of limited government's mantra you are nothing more than a hypocritical poser no better than the tyrant sitting in the WH right now.