Is it possible higher taxes could create a better living standard in America?

[Shagly]

I see how offshore banking is growing for corporations.

 

[unregistered]

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

If so how you gonna get folks to go to work?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Yeah, government and their constituency will be able to live higher off the hog.

Their magical thinking is relentless.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Of course it is. It's just a question if we should, how much and how much are the haters gonna hate.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

Why don't you just admit, you hate the idea of private property, freedom, hard work, keeping what you earn, and believe that the indolent have a right to economic parity with the middle class without lifting a finger except to vote Democrat? Go ahead, we'll understand.

FREEDOM~~!! LIBERTY!!!!! ECONOMIC PROSPERITY!!!

NOTE: Offer only applies to upper middle class, middle aged evangelical white christian males willing to toe party lines.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why don't you just admit, you hate the idea of private property, freedom, hard work, keeping what you earn, and believe that the indolent have a right to economic parity with the middle class without lifting a finger except to vote Democrat? Go ahead, we'll understand.

Because none of that is true. I just don't think the Free Market is the flawless answer for everything.

I happen to believe the world is a better place because of many endeavors governments have undertaken over the years. I'm glad that nobody in my generation and none of my children need fear measles, mumps or Reubella. I'm glad we have nuclear power plants. I'm glad we have an internet. I'm glad we have (or at least had, fuck you Obama) a space station that brought us the modern information boom. Cell phones, Ipads, all that stuff is good in my eyes. I'm glad we have libraries and public schools (though we need to up the quality there). I'm glad we have museums and roads, police, fire fighters and a military force. I'm glad we have America or are you about to enlighten me about which private company funded Columbus and other early explorers?

The funny thing is you're happy we have most of that stuff too. You just think those things came about because of magic and will be repeated by the same magical spell.

 

[TonyClifton]

I see how offshore banking is growing for corporations.

According to your profile location, it is "somewhere"

Why do you care?

 

[mercury14]

Why don't you just admit, you hate the idea of private property, freedom, hard work, keeping what you earn, and believe that the indolent have a right to economic parity with the middle class without lifting a finger except to vote Democrat? Go ahead, we'll understand.

Parity of opportunity Vette, not outcome. Stop twisting our words.

 

[Liar]

Why don't you just admit, you hate the idea of private property, freedom, hard work, keeping what you earn, and believe that the indolent have a right to economic parity with the middle class without lifting a finger except to vote Democrat? Go ahead, we'll understand.

Do you support the idea of having some taxes, although low?

 

[semen4her]

I pay high taxes.

I manage to survive.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Higher taxes = Higher Unemployment, more people on welfare/foodstamps etc. . . & Lower disposable income.

Lower Taxes stimulate an economy and increase personal wealth which in turn brings more revenue into the government and fewer people on public assistance.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Higher taxes = Higher Unemployment, more people on welfare/foodstamps etc. . . & Lower disposable income.

Lower Taxes stimulate an economy and increase personal wealth which in turn brings more revenue into the government and fewer people on public assistance.

Simply untrue. Hell it doesn't even actually make any sense at all.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

The more money paid in taxes the less money available to be used to crate jobs/pay employees. If Higher taxes increase costs to consumers because all businesses will raise prices to cover the additional taxes. They will also lay off employees.

Lower taxes means more money in the pockets of people for spending on things like vacations, home remodels/ etc...

So if taxes are lower people have more money to spend on things they want instead of only buying necessities.

For proof go to

http://articles.businessinsider.com...-businesses-payroll-taxes-high-business-taxes
"Traditionally, about 75 percent of all new jobs are created by small businesses. But today, hundreds of thousands of small businesses are being strangled out of existence by all of the oppressive taxes, fees, rules, regulations, paperwork and demands that government keeps imposing on them. "

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/tax_cuts.asp#axzz1sY6PWmMG
"As you would expect, lowering taxes raises disposable income, allowing the consumer to spend additional sums, thereby, increasing GNP. (To learn more, read Economic Indicators To Know.)

Reducing taxes, therefore, pushes out the aggregate demand curve as consumers demand more goods and services with their higher disposable incomes."

 

[Sean Renaud]

Unless you have an explanation for 1940-2000 don't bother giving me your tripe. I don't like you enough to play with your for entertainment sake nor hate you enough to pick apart arguments piece by piece when I can simply, and (for this place) politely tell you that facts aren't on your side.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Unless you have an explanation for 1940-2000

Explain what?

to pick apart arguments piece by piece when I can simply, and (for this place) politely tell you that facts aren't on your side.

So you say I am wrong when I have non partisan sources and you cite none. Show me where I am wrong.

 

[CHNOPS]

Why don't you just admit, you hate the idea of private property, freedom, hard work, keeping what you earn, and believe that the indolent have a right to economic parity with the middle class without lifting a finger except to vote Democrat? Go ahead, we'll understand.

By placing the word 'indolent' in apposition with "the middle class," you make it pretty clear that you meant to use "indigent."

FYI.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Explain what?

How America prospered so much, not just the rich but all of us, when taxes were much much higher. Up to 90% at it's peak. If your theory holds water then 1940-2000 simply didn't happen and 2000-present didn't happen either since our taxes are at historic lows.

History tells your non-partisan facts to have a coke and a smile while they shut the fuck up.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

How America prospered so much, not just the rich but all of us, when taxes were much much higher. Up to 90% at it's peak. If your theory holds water then 1940-2000 simply didn't happen and 2000-present didn't happen either since our taxes are at historic lows.

History tells your non-partisan facts to have a coke and a smile while they shut the fuck up.

Cite sources please. Because you say taxes were high doesn't mean they were.

Prosperity in the 40's and 50's was due to WWII.

In the 70's gas prices were so high (remember rationing and gaslines and only being allowed to get gas one or 2 days a week.)

80's Low taxes and High employment Remember Reaganomics.

Again my sources show that 75% of jobs are created not by the rich but by small businesses and small business get SMALLER when taxes go up.

I like how you agree I am using non partisan facts but then demand they shut up. While you don't use a singe fact or cite a single surce. Besides why the need to curse nothing better to say?

Again if I am wrng show me facts not opinins. Til then I am done here.

 

[CHNOPS]

Cite sources please. Because you say taxes were high doesn't mean they were.

Prosperity in the 40's and 50's was due to WWII.

In the 70's gas prices were so high (remember rationing and gaslines and only being allowed to get gas one or 2 days a week.)

80's Low taxes and High employment Remember Reaganomics.

Again my sources show that 75% of jobs are created not by the rich but by small businesses and small business get SMALLER when taxes go up.

I like how you agree I am using non partisan facts but then demand they shut up. While you don't use a singe fact or cite a single surce. Besides why the need to curse nothing better to say?

Again if I am wrng show me facts not opinins. Til then I am done here.

Tuck your head between your legs. This is going to be a bumpy ride.

 

[CandiCame]

I'd be taking notes in here, but I haven't learned a damn thing.

Here's my deal.

There's no way to differentiate between people who work for their money, and people who are born into their money. I HATE the system where some folk are born poor, and some folk are born rich, and you have to play the hand you're delt. I dislike inheritance. Dealing with my grandpa's estate made me realize how MUCH I hate inheritance. The fact that you're worried more about the money then the memories makes you a fucking asshole. You shouldn't inherit your parent's company. If you didn't inherit shit, then a flat tax would work, because everyone would be taxed according to their means. Of course, then people about to die would just give all their shit away...

But my point is, rich people need to quit bitching unless they really did work their ass off to make every cent they have, and they live a lifestyle that suits their means, and benefits the planet and the species. Species preservation over self preservation is a basic tenate of animal life. If you're flying around in a private jet, but don't want to pay carbon offsets, go to hell. If you pay for your kid to waste money on ski vacations and elective surgeries while other kids starve and die of preventative diseases, fuck you. If you pay for your kids to go to private school and bitch about paying the property taxes that pay for kids to go to public school, fuck you.

We're all in this together. You wanna be an American, be an American. You wanna live off the grid, then live off the grid- but don't use the commons. Ironically, that makes your money pretty worthless to you. Just don't be a fucking asshole. How hard is that?

 

[Ldy_Sea]

I believe in the fair tax, for one thing it would eliminate the loss in revenue from those paid under the table or involved in criminal activities (Drug Dealers, Loan Sharks, etc...) Because everyne would pay taxes not just those wh filed their forms and are smewhat hnest on them.

I disagree on inheritance. My dad busted his ass for 50 years t have a nice house and build a nice stck portfolio now you think the gvernment should get it when he dies? If not the next f kin, who should. IF my dad hadn't saved that money and invested it, Think of the vacations we could have gone on or fun we could have had. Since that money was earned by him he should decide who gets it. As he is a widoower and I am his only child it should go to either me or my children.

What should we do in a capatilist society when some people are rich and some are poor? Redistribute wealth. Communism tried that, and where is Communism now? Even China has a growing wealthy class due to an emerging capatilist system.

 

[CHNOPS]

Top tax rates for the last 100 years.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/Content/GIF/toprate_historical.gif

 

[CandiCame]

I believe in the fair tax, for one thing it would eliminate the loss in revenue from those paid under the table or involved in criminal activities (Drug Dealers, Loan Sharks, etc...) Because everyne would pay taxes not just those wh filed their forms and are smewhat hnest on them.

I disagree on inheritance. My dad busted his ass for 50 years t have a nice house and build a nice stck portfolio now you think the gvernment should get it when he dies? If not the next f kin, who should. IF my dad hadn't saved that money and invested it, Think of the vacations we could have gone on or fun we could have had. Since that money was earned by him he should decide who gets it. As he is a widoower and I am his only child it should go to either me or my children.

What should we do in a capatilist society when some people are rich and some are poor? Redistribute wealth. Communism tried that, and where is Communism now? Even China has a growing wealthy class due to an emerging capatilist system.

Why should he care? He's dead. And if he had raised you right, you'd have a job and be able to take care of yourself. Yes, it should go to the government. Everyone starts even. I don't care about your vacations- if he wanted you to have vacations, then he should have taken you. Work for your own fucking money. *shrug*

My family owns a fucking fortune in mineral rights. I'm broke, but my family has a lot of money, actually. I don't expect them to turn me out, but when I get a job, I'm paying them back every cent they spent on me. I got pissed when they paid off my court costs and fines and everything. Because it wasn't their job to do- it was mine. I don't want their fucking money. I don't really want the land, but it's the only way to keep it from getting strip-mined. The government would probably keep it as is, as there are threatened species living there, but the free market would strip the hell out of it. Fuck that shit.

I do want the memories of my grandpa. I want the fishing poles and the guns to remember when we went hunting and fishing. I want the paintings and the critters. But I don't want the money. And the way I've got it set up, I won't get any. My mom won't either. There will be a college fund for my little brother and the rest goes to charities that he likes. My mom doesn't know that- it's gonna piss her right the fuck off. I know that my little brother and her will take me to court over it. But they're assholes. Anyone with that attitude that they're owed because their parents worked hard- is a mooch.

And being probably the biggest mooch on the board right now, I know from fucking mooches. Now, I'm going to go make some food that I didn't buy- though the chicken I did kill. And the onions I did grow.... but the rest of it I'm mooching.