What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[Byron In Exile]

When people are mandated by the government to buy a product,

You can stop right there.

Anyone who doesn't get this is brain-damaged.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Funny how when Dems pass a bill they know will fail it's a publicity stunt. But when Republicans pass the Ryan plan multiple times when they know it won't be taken up by the senate, much less passed in the senate, MUCH less signed by Obama, well that's just good legislating.

The difference being the Republicans were given a mandate by the people to get control of the Democrats' wild-eyed and out-of-control spending.

They keep trying, to their own damage, to pass serious budgets which the Democrats have already signaled they are not about to have a thing to do with; turns out, Bush got them hooked on deficit spending with the people ushering in the 2007 Congress...

It went from a bad thing, to a good thing, just as soon as the Democrats got into charge in 2009.

Suddenly, the same deficits, well, that would be a lie, WORSE deficits are not a big deal, all you have to do is plunder the rich and life will be a party again, we're all Colombia now...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You can stop right there.

Anyone who doesn't get this is brain-damaged.

I keep begging merc to go seek professional counseling, but he keeps looking into the mirror and pronouncing himself as fit as a daisy...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

ADMISSION: Washington Post: We Tried To Bury That Story About ObamaCare Blowing Up The Deficit.“Washington Post columnist Patrick Pexton made a rather startling admission in the paper’s Sunday edition: The Post never meant for their recent story about how President Obama’s health care law expands the budget deficit to become a viral Internet sensation. In fact, they deliberately tried to bury the story.”

Yeah, it's good to know the press is firmly on your side, even as your supporters go after Ann Romney because she didn't marry "poor."

"You know, it’s … we’re ready, you know. Our children, you know, could care less about what we’re doing. We work hard to do that. Fortunately we have help from the media. I have to say this: I’m very grateful for the support and kindness that we’ve gotten. People have respected their privacy and in that way, I think, you know, no matter what people may feel about my husband’s policies or what have you, they care about children and that’s been good to see.“
Michelle Obama

 

[RobDownSouth]

My goals are economic goals because Economy and Liberty are identical twins.

^^^^^
Weapons-grade Derp.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I keep begging merc to go seek professional counseling, but he keeps looking into the mirror and pronouncing himself as fit as a daisy...

He's a bullshitter. End of story.

 

[Byron In Exile]

"You know, it’s … we’re ready, you know. Our children, you know, could care less about what we’re doing. We work hard to do that. Fortunately we have help from the media. I have to say this: I’m very grateful for the support and kindness that we’ve gotten. People have respected their privacy and in that way, I think, you know, no matter what people may feel about my husband’s policies or what have you, they care about children and that’s been good to see.“
Michelle Obama

So... what is wrong with that?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So... what is wrong with that?

"You know, it’s … we’re ready, you know. Our children, you know, could care less about what we’re doing. We work hard to do that. Fortunately we have help from the media. I have to say this: I’m very grateful for the support and kindness that we’ve gotten. People have respected their privacy and in that way, I think, you know, no matter what people may feel about my husband’s policies or what have you, they care about children and that’s been good to see.“
Michelle Obama

Because at the same time, they have no limits on what they say about Republican families...



Contemporary leftists, on the other hand, view their opponents as people you send off to the Gulag, unworthy of any respect, deserving of any kind of low blow, no matter how foul. So you accuse Goldwater of insanity, slander Justice Thomas as a sexual monster, casually publish plays, books, and films calling for the assassination of President Bush, and assault the first serious Republican female candidate at her weakest point -- her family. And of course, you scream to high heaven if any form of turnabout occurs in your direction, as in the case of the Obama family, which was declared "off limits" early in the presidential campaign, at the same time that Palin's family was being stretched on the media rack.

This style of political loathing has become effectively innate. It has been systemized to such a degree as to become integral. Modern liberalism cannot do without it. An entire structure has been erected on the basis of political hatred, and from that structure a whole new strategy has arisen.
J.R. Dunn

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If President Bush had said this:

President Obama erred during a speech at the Summit of the Americas in Cartagena, Colombia, when attempting to call the disputed archipelago by its Spanish name.

Instead of saying Malvinas, however, Mr Obama referred to the islands as the Maldives, a group of 26 atolls off that lie off the South coast of India.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-gaffe-by-calling-Malvinas-the-Maldives.html

All that we would be hearing about for two weeks is how fucking stupid he is here and in the press.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He's a bullshitter. End of story.

Agreed.

I've studied at these places. One of them even threw a master's degree at me. Dr. Minerva's bioethics course was superb, though I found myself wishing it wasn't so focused on the Catholic perspective.

Her specialty is the area where secular and religious ethics collide. It's fascinating stuff and she's super passionate about her work. She was a bit hard to understand at times being Italian and speaking with an aglo/aussie twang. It was charming at first but as the weeks dragged on it just became hard to hear.

I call bullshit. She wasn't in Melbourne until last June.

Some posts. In Eyer threads. Are not. Serious.

Ugh.

I didn't really pick up my life and move to Australia to study philosophy if you must know.

(as if you could pay me to study philosophy anywhere).

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=800325

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

A year ago, in Action Comics, Superman declared plans to renounce his U.S. citizenship.

Last year, almost 1,800 people followed Superman's lead, renouncing their U.S. citizenship or handing in their Green Cards. That's a record number since the Internal Revenue Service began publishing a list of those who renounced in 1998. It's also almost eight times more than the number of citizens who renounced in 2008, and more than the total for 2007, 2008 and 2009 combined.

But not everyone's motivations are as lofty as Superman's. Many say they parted ways with America for tax reasons.

The United States is one of the only countries to tax its citizens on income earned while they're living abroad. And just as Americans stateside must file tax returns each April — this year, the deadline is Tuesday — an estimated 6.3 million U.S. citizens living abroad brace for what they describe as an even tougher process of reporting their income and foreign accounts to the IRS. For them, the deadline is June.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47064295

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Trouble in Paradise:

http://mises.org/daily/6008/The-Eurozone-A-MoralHazard-Morass

Closing Paragraph:

To make an understatement, the costs of the Eurosystem are high. They include an inflationary, self-destructing monetary system, a shot in the arm for governments, growing welfare states, falling competitiveness, bailouts, subsidies, transfers, moral hazard, conflicts between nations, centralization, and in general a loss of liberty. In addition, these costs and risks are rising day by day. Considering all this, the project of the euro is not worth saving. The sooner it ends, the better. Alternatives exists. A return to sound money such as the gold standard would boost responsibility, harmony, and wealth creation in Europe.

And this is that which President Obama would love to emulate.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Romney, Unplugged
By The Editors, NRO
April 17, 2012 4:00 A.M.

The good news for wary conservatives is that Mitt Romney has finally gotten specific about his plans for reforming the tax code and shrinking the federal government. The bad news is that he did so at a private gathering of donors, and for purposes of analysis we have only what reporters lurking outside the event overheard. But with that caveat, we can report that much of what Romney proposes is constructive.

Romney has long promised a revenue-neutral simplification of the tax code that would couple a 20 percent across-the-board rate cut with the elimination of certain deductions. In his off-mic comments he named names, singling out federal deductions for state and local taxes, and for mortgage interest on second homes, as potential offsets. Both changes would be welcome.

President Reagan saw the elimination of the deduction for local taxes as a “nonnegotiable” piece of his own 1986 tax-reform plan, but his efforts were ultimately beaten back by representatives of high-tax states in Congress. This is because the deduction functions in practice as a subsidy to high-tax jurisdictions from low-tax ones. Its elimination would put locales in clearer fiscal competition with one another for the most tax-sensitive residents, who would in turn feel the full effect of differing tax rates instead of having their impact blunted considerably by the federal government.

As for the mortgage-interest deduction, under an ideal federal tax policy it wouldn’t exist at all. But given the fragile state of the housing market, it is perhaps wiser to start by merely trimming it back in places where it is not likely to do economic damage. One approach would be to scale back the maximum amount of the deduction, either directly or by ending the automatic adjustments for inflation. Romney’s approach — eliminating the deduction for second homes — would have a similarly piecemeal effect, though the governor’s comments on the matter are ambiguous. Romney is quoted as saying he would “eliminate for high-income people the second-home mortgage deduction.” If this is a loose way of expressing that owners of second homes are ipso facto “high income,” then it is fine so far as it goes. But if Romney intends to have two different treatments for the deduction — as he does for, e.g., dividend and capital-gains taxes — then he would do well to remember that among the goals of his plan is the reduction of complexity, not the introduction of new levels of it.

Romney also spoke in general terms about the size of the federal government, suggesting that under his administration the Department of Housing and Urban Development — once led by George Romney — would be on the chopping block, while the Department of Education would be slated for substantial downsizing. This is a trickier matter. We certainly agree that much of these departments’ business is no business of the federal government, but too often plans to eliminate or downsize federal agencies amount to little more than fiddling with organizational charts. If Romney intends to actually do away with whole functions and capabilities of DOE and HUD, bully for him. If he intends merely to shuffle them about in the interest of marginal and often illusory returns on bureaucratic efficiency, then it probably isn’t worth the political hassle.

While these fixes alone won’t bring order to the tax code, balance the budget, or corral the Leviathan, they do strike us as steps in the right direction. Of course, a handful of proposals gleaned from eavesdropping reporters do not a governing platform make, and we look forward to (over)hearing more specifics from the Romney campaign — perhaps in a room with better acoustics.

A clear choice in economic polity for the upcoming election.

 

[richard_daily]

When people are mandated by the government to buy a product, insurance because they are a citizen, when the President states openly that his goal is to get everyone off employer health care and into pool insurance ruled by the iPAB, then yes, this is the beginning of a government takeover. When the government decides that free markets are to be replaced by markets strictly controlled by government, it is a takeover.

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”
Obama speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO, June 30, 2003.

President Obama has never been shy about his goals, but he knows he cannot get to them by honesty, so he has to lie and he has to take small steps towards his goal, and economically, it will become a disaster.

You have no grounds on which to call anyone a liar, you do it with an ease and a facility that is quite alarming. Perhaps we see a similarity in philosophy with you and the President.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/cong...a-made-mistake-with-health-care-push-20120416

You don't understand what single payer universal health care is, do you?

Perhaps you should read a book.

 

[unregistered]

 

[richard_daily]

You can stop right there.

Anyone who doesn't get this is brain-damaged.

You're forced to buy all sorts of things through taxes... Are you saying that having more choice in where you spend your money is a worse thing?

Are you against school vouchers?

 

[richard_daily]

Yeah, he does. It's what America doesn't want.

You're not America. You're not even Mexican.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You don't understand what single payer universal health care is, do you?

Perhaps you should read a book.

Unfortunately, I do wingnut.

 

[unregistered]

 

[richard_daily]

Unfortunately, I do wingnut.

You do wingnuts?

veteman is getting turned on.

 

[richard_daily]

Thank God.

Or the Easter Bunny.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You do wingnuts?

veteman is getting turned on.

Thank you wingnut.


Get back to us when you can explain Universal Single Payer Health Care without proving it's Fascism...

 

[unregistered]

 

[richard_daily]

Thank you wingnut.


Get back to us when you can explain Universal Single Payer Health Care without proving it's Fascism...

Oh man, thank you for the first good laugh of the day...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You don't understand what single payer universal health care is, do you?

Perhaps you should read a book.

Er versteht es nicht.