NoBama and the Supreme Court; shades of FDR

[amicus]

FDR's fight to control the Supreme Court

Excessive hubris has plagued many of the world's great leaders. Something just seems to get into their heads that drives them to overreach and lets arrogance trump pragmatism.

In light of all the comparisons between the challenges facing President Barack Obama and those that bedeviled President Franklin D. Roosevelt, the Obama team should study one of Roosevelt's biggest domestic power grabs, which backfired.

Roosevelt's attempt to push through his initiatives by "packing" the US Supreme Court, adding one justice for each one older than 70, was opposed not only by his usual political foes but also by many liberal allies. In "FDR v. The Constitution," journalist Burt Solomon revisits the personalities and political maneuvering of that seminal event.

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I dount that 'hubris' played the greater role, I suspect it is and was Marxist Ideology that drove FDR and drives Nobama.

The Judicial branch is charged with upholding the Constitution which essentially limits the power and scope of government. Both FDR and Nobama wish to expand the power and scope of government along socialist avenues, which conlficts with both the spirit and the letter of the law.

For the disgraceful demeanor of Nobaba against the Court, it would be fitting for a 9-0 rejection of the socialized medicine plan by the Court.

Not gonna happen of course, but I can dream...

amicus

 

[preternatural]

Shades?

is that a Racial reference.

Get ready, that stuff is coming...

 

[amicus]

is that a Racial reference.

Get ready, that stuff is coming...

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Heh, not intended as such, but...

ami

 

[CHNOPS]

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Heh, not intended as such, but...

ami

HAHAHAHA!!!! Because he's black!!!!!

 

[amicus]

HAHAHAHA!!!! Because he's black!!!!!

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You must be fucking kidding...the man is at best, 'high yellow', not black at all, but in New Orleans class structure, high yellow was a pejorative back in the day.

Avoid the issue by all means you sure as hell are not educated enough to address it.

amicus

 

[cjh]

FDR's fight to control the Supreme Court


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For the disgraceful demeanor of Nobaba against the Court, it would be fitting for a 9-0 rejection of the socialized medicine plan by the Court.

Not gonna happen of course, but I can dream...

amicus

You would substitute spite for the rule of law?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

I recently read a bio of FDR (THE NEW DEALERS WAR) and agree that Obama and FDR have much in common, though Obama lacks FDRs charisma and charm, and Obama is your basic coward with power. The bio's author agrees that FDRs court packing power grab was his undoing. FDR never forgave nor utilized people who went against him with the court issue.

 

[RobDownSouth]

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You must be fucking kidding...the man is at best, 'high yellow', not black at all, but in New Orleans class structure, high yellow was a pejorative back in the day.

Avoid the issue by all means you sure as hell are not educated enough to address it.

amicus

Amicunt is an expert on grading 'Groid skin.

Hey Amicunt, why did America desert its savior, Newt Gingrich?

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Come to think of it . . . in the end FDR won that fight, didn't he?

(The court-packing bill failed, but the SCOTUS discontinued striking down every New Deal measure -- maybe they were a little scared after all . . .)

 

[KingOrfeo]

Both FDR and Nobama wish to expand the power and scope of government along socialist avenues . . .

FDR was the man who saved capitalism and don't you forget it.

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

FDR put us on the road to Weimar...


It was consequently here that the ideal of the rule of law was first deprived of real content. The substantive conception of the Rechtsstaat, [a state bound by the rule of law]; which required that the rules of law possess definite properties, was displaced by a purely formal concept which required merely that all action of the state be authorized by the legislature. In short, a "law" was that which merely stated that whatever a certain authority did should be legal. The problem thus became one of mere legality. By the turn of the century it had become accepted doctrine that the "individualist" ideal of the substantive Rechtsstaat was a thing of the past, "vanquished by the creative powers of national and social ideas. ... This new formulation, known as the "pure theory of law" ... signaled the definite eclipse of all traditions of limited government....
Only a demagogue can represent as "antidemocratic" the limitations which long-term decisions and the general principles held by the people impose upon the power of temporary majorities. These limitations were conceived to protect the people against those to whom they must give power, and they are the only means by which the people can determine the general character of the order under which they will live.
FA Hayek (on positivism)

 

[BadGirl826]

Sarah Palin says that Obama is a socialist. I'm sure she's right. She also said on teevee the other day that the economy is only doing better for those on "Wall Street". Wow. That is one ass-backwards socialist program!!

But we shouldn't re-elect him because... well, he's black and black people should not hold any positions of power except pimps and drug dealers! That's really all you need to say. Stop trying to make 'intelligent' augments, when you keep losing. Just say how you feel for shits sake.

Anywho, the economy that Bush fucked up, whoops, I mean Clinton, is slowly getting back on track. The wars that Bush, whoops, I mean Clinton, started are now ending. So we'll just have to use the race card. Don't forget the women. Those sluts all wanna (gasp) have control of their own sexual health. The nerve of them!

 

[miles]

Sarah Palin says that Obama is a socialist. I'm sure she's right. She also said on teevee the other day that the economy is only doing better for those on "Wall Street". Wow. That is one ass-backwards socialist program!!

But we shouldn't re-elect him because... well, he's black and black people should not hold any positions of power except pimps and drug dealers! That's really all you need to say. Stop trying to make 'intelligent' augments, when you keep losing. Just say how you feel for shits sake.

Anywho, the economy that Bush fucked up, whoops, I mean Clinton, is slowly getting back on track. The wars that Bush, whoops, I mean Clinton, started are now ending. So we'll just have to use the race card. Don't forget the women. Those sluts all wanna (gasp) have control of their own sexual health. The nerve of them!

Rob, shut the fuck up.

 

[RobDownSouth]

FDR put us on the road to Weimar...

Funny how hyperinflation, which the Weimar Republic is primarily remembered for, never got to America though.

Remember just a few short years ago when you thought hyperinflation is just around the corner, and you got out of the stock market and hunkered in the bunker with your precious two or three ounces of gold?

Good times, good times.

 

[Liar]

Sarah Palin says that Obama is a socialist. I'm sure she's right. She also said on teevee the other day that the economy is only doing better for those on "Wall Street". Wow. That is one ass-backwards socialist program!!

Well, she did call it "Obama's failed Socialist agenda".

And I have to admit, if Obama's agenda is Socialist, it has failed miserably. Failed to be even implemented, that is.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Come to think of it . . . in the end FDR won that fight, didn't he?

(The court-packing bill failed, but the SCOTUS discontinued striking down every New Deal measure -- maybe they were a little scared after all . . .)

No. What happened was this: FDR pushed conservative Democrats into a coalition with the GOP, and they inturn took the wind outta his sails. FDR campaigned against the conservatives but lost ground in Congress when his New Dealers were defeated instead.

 

[KingOrfeo]

No. What happened was this: FDR pushed conservative Democrats into a coalition with the GOP, and they inturn took the wind outta his sails. FDR campaigned against the conservatives but lost ground in Congress when his New Dealers were defeated instead.

That's not a correction, it's a completely different story from the same Administration.

 

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[phrodeau]

Which election did FDR lose?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Poor Miles Ben Zonah is butthurt again....

Rob, shut the fuck up.

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Unlike you and your Kooky Konservative Koward brothers on this board, I'm not afraid to stand behind my words.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

The fifth one.

correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he have a bad case of not being alive once that came around?