Is Philosophy a Science?

[pornstarwannabe]

With questions like "Is that a hole in an ass, or an ass surrounding a hole," we need a Science to help us formulate an answer. Any Philosophers here? Don't be shy. Speak up.

 

[Liar]

Depends on what you mean. Physics is not a science. Physics is matter energy and stuff. The study of physics is the science. Likewise could the study of philosophy as an abstract or as a cultural phenomena be called that, depending on the methodology.

 

[amicus]

With questions like "Is that a hole in an ass, or an ass surrounding a hole," we need a Science to help us formulate an answer. Any Philosophers here? Don't be shy. Speak up.

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Quotes of Aristotle

“Philosophy is the science which considers truth”

Philo-sophia is the greek "love of wisdom"; sciencia is the latin "knowledge" (the greek equivalent being "episteme"). So are wisdom and knowledge the same? Not exactly, by most accounts anyway, but they're certainly related. Science is trying to get at the details, the facts, the actual information that we can pin down and make use of. Philosophy is trying to look at the larger picture and understand the interrelations, what it all means, the foundation for existence to start with.

Philosophy was once thought to start where natural science ends, and in this sense to be the ultimate "science", in the broad sense (that is, the ultimate "knowledge"). In the modern age, many people presume there is no knowledge beyond the natural sciences, and therefore that either philosophy doesn't exist, or it is just talking about the stuff that science hasn't yet designed machines to investigate, that it's basically the speculative branch of science. This is quite confusing, though, since theoretical physics, eg, is quite speculative itself. Where science ends and philosophy begins there is a matter of some debate (and often agreed to be an issue of semantics as much as anything).

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It would appear that etymology holds the answer. Science is the acquisition of knowledge; Philosophy is the acquisition of wisdom; there for science is a sub category of philosophy.

So...yes, Philosophy is a science by definition as science is a part of it.

Amicus Veritas

 

[joeblack1]

no definitely not

 

[Liar]

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Quotes of Aristotle

“Philosophy is the science which considers truth”



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It would appear that etymology holds the answer. Science is the acquisition of knowledge; Philosophy is the acquisition of wisdom; there for science is a sub category of philosophy.

So...yes, Philosophy is a science by definition as science is a part of it.

Amicus Veritas

The problem really is that there are two things we like to call "philosophy" and they are only tangentally related. On one hand you have the framework of thinking - logic, epistemology and metaphysics. Or as you put it the acquisition of wisdom.

On the other hand we have ethical and political philosophy. Which is often just a fancy word and a set of excuses for ideology. Something I'm sure you agree with can have it's basis in many a unwise false axiom. Religion, authoritarianism, group think...

Whenever someone starts to talk abouit "a philosophy" instead of just "philosophy" is when we all should be wary.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I do not know.


I do tend to say no.


Science is replicable and consistent.


Philosophy can tell us if we are actually engaging in Science or a belief system.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

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Quotes of Aristotle

when you know the bullshit is knee deep.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No, philosophy is not science; philosophy is how you organize what you know. Science is what you do with your philosophy.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

No, philosophy is not science; philosophy is how you organize what you know.

Since when? Every philosophy class I have taken came with the firm reassurance that no one really knows anything.

Philosophy is the pontification of the reality we live in and the questions we have no answers for.

In a nutshell philosophy is the art of spewing bullshit....or trolling.

Science is what you do with your philosophy.

You must be one of those creationist types hua?

Science is the method by which one can achieve knowledge, conceptualize our environment and answer those questions we have no answers for through the collection of empirical evidence to either prove or disprove a theory/hypothesis/answer to an unanswered question.

In a nut shell science takes philosophy's bullshit conjecture/pontifications etc and breaks it off in the philosophers ass with evidence to back it up.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Since when? Every philosophy class I have taken came with the firm reassurance that no one really knows anything.

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Then your instructors have followed Kant and Hegel, the Subjectivist Philosophers...

So do our leaders in the West. Look to Objectivist Epistemology.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/on_restoring_american_individualism.html
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=802444

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

Then your instructors have followed Kant and Hegel, the Subjectivist Philosophers...

So do our leaders in the West. Look to Objectivist Epistemology.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/on_restoring_american_individualism.html
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=802444

Different views....and I'm sure it has come up with some great questions, labeled and defined some hard to define things but it's still not a science.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Different views....and I'm sure it has come up with some great questions, labeled and defined some hard to define things but it's still not a science.

I'll go with what Amicus posted and I echoed.

 

[colddiesel]

One modern 'philosophy' (nods to Liar) was made necessary by the pressing requirement for those of dubious intellect to pontificate on Porn Boards.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

One modern 'philosophy' (nods to Liar) was made necessary by the pressing requirement for those of dubious intellect to pontificate on Porn Boards.

Thank you dubious Down Under...




Have a Nice Day!

 

[amicus]

The 'universe' defined by the Greeks, who gave western civilization just about everything, is the word meaning 'all that is, everything.

The Greeks also gave us a word to describe all the knowedge in existence at any one, a love of wisdom; 1.The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, esp. when considered as an academic discipline.

What philosophy is and what science is and how they are related, is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of definition.

This is where the deliberative ability of the subjectivists falls apart as nothing is held to existentially exist outside the mind. Some one mentioned Kant and Hegel, but the division between the idiots who use faith and emotion as a subjective approach to learning, and those pursuing wisdom through reason and rationality, accepting that existence exists independent of their their minds describes the intellectual dichotomy t hat has troubled man since adam and eve had a disagreement.

Essentially, the female is subjective and relativistic because she must be to survive in her cloistered environment and the male is niturally far sighted, reasoning and rational as he must be to survive facing the objective reality of the world outside the comfy campfire of the ladies.

The root problem is that subjectivists do not accept the absolute nature of the words that describe reality, while objectivists do. Words describe aspects of reality and are therefore as real as the rock you call a rock. So to is the abstraction, 'two rocks', which exist only as a concept in the human mind, but, it is an 'absolute' concept, tied to words, tied to reality; a consistent non contradictory acuqisition of knowledge, which is how rational men have always lived.

So, gain, yes, Philosophy is a science as it is the wider concept and contains science as a category of study.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

I disagree.

Philosophy cannot account serendipity, and much of our 'science' is exploring crazee ideas.

Philosophy helps you get from Pixley to Hooterville but its as lost as Dorothy Gale on Oz when notions fall outta the Blue.

 

[amicus]

AMICUS

I disagree.

Philosophy cannot account serendipity, and much of our 'science' is exploring crazee ideas.

Philosophy helps you get from Pixley to Hooterville but its as lost as Dorothy Gale on Oz when notions fall outta the Blue.

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Hello, James....most people, the vast majority, enjoy little side trips into fantasy as an escape from the necessities of life which are always with us.

A tiny, tiny percentage of those mentally equipped to deal with concepts and abstractions, actually do so as there is not much money to be made with a Ph.D in academic philosphy....Scarlett Johannsen made that point in the film, 'Lost in Translation"m with Bill Murray.

For the lay person reading or engaging in this discussion, it is pretty much as Frizzie says, not worth warm spit.

But for those you understand the importance of philosophy in terms of establishing premises upon which basic values are set for ethics and morals in society, then the discipline becomes of crucial importance.

As Ayn Rand said and explained, 'every person alive has a philosophy; it is a basic element of life and living and withoiut one, a person could not take a single step in any direction.' I paraphrase...inherent in a persons philosophy is your 'serendipity', more formally acknowledged as a 'sense of life'.

It is to philosophy we turn for an understanding of music and art; not to science or politics. It is to philosophy those who created atomic energy turned when they sought a reason and a purpose for such a discover and invention; and ultimate uses for good and evil.

It is no secret that I have great trepidations concerning the future of western civilization. Many of the values that were identified by the Greeks, preserved by Aristotle and Acquinas and many more, and put into existence by the political arm of an ethical social arrangement, are being challenged at the very base, and those, such as your self, capable of defending those values, instead criticize those that fail to live an honorable life.

It is the nickle and dime bureaucrats and bean counting pragmatists like our friend Liar, who become so involved and entranced by the characteristics of individual trees that they totally forget they are in a forest and they never see the wider picture.

You, my friend, have a profession generated affliction of cynicism from administering the dregs of society while you are administered by the bureaucrats who utilize no original thinking but only follow the rule book, which is what they are paid to do.

The affliction affects many in the field of medicine and law enforcement, the courts, et cetera, as those profesions and trades are exposed daily to the underbelly of society and it influences them.

I cherish the pursuit of wisdom, philosophy and dad about 200 formal hours in study,intending to teach. What I do not and have never liked. is those who have corrupted the quest for wisdom with a nihilistic perception of existence that infects their interpretations, and is then passed on to the next generation by their students.

In the darkest hours of world war two when western civilization, attacked from east and west, hung by a thread from very real and tangible threats; the danger today is that those threats are psychological and intellectual from the entire left spectrum of politics, ethics and morals, which is insideous in corrupting that sense of life a person must have to be psychologically healthy and to pursue that happiness intended as a goal of all humans by our nature.

Mercury14, like Pure and others over at the AH, are skilled at obfuscating the fundamental premises of thought by the cowardly method of trivialization. They do so by never defending or even identifying the cesspool of premises they hold, but by attacking from all sides those who defend those human values mankind has always sought.

Here, Merc, a coathanger; do an abortion and then justify it.

Nary a word will be heard in response.

Nite, James, be well...

ami

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Great posts ami...

That second one is the point of The Ominous Parallels.

Or, how you reject Aristotle to get to Hitler.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Where we differ is our definitions.

After I read your first post I reviewed the orthodoxy of Gerald Edelman. Edelman's liturgy is reputed to be clear as mud and as challenging as climbing a mountain of polished granite; but I find it easy to comprehend:

In a nutshell, childhood experiences fix the brain to perceive almost all of what it will ever be able to sense. If youre Eskimo and remain in the Arctic, youre good to go; if youre Eskimo and move to Brazil as a teen, youre fucked. So it is with our Usual Suspects, so it is with you and me.

I cant speak for you, but my childhood was spent learning how to be self reliant and competent taking care of my needs. So I'm lost when it comes to dependency and passivity. Theyre not in my repertoire. If I get a fungus or infection on my foot, I soak my foot in diluted LYSOL or saltwater....and move on.

 

[stephen55]

I have to rejoice!

For I now know that ami isn't dead. Moronicity lives!!

 

[KingOrfeo]

No, philosophy is not science; philosophy is how you organize what you know. Science is what you do with your philosophy.

No, when you get into doing anything with your knowledge, that's the realm of technology, not science.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I have to rejoice!

For I now know that ami isn't dead. Moronicity lives!!

It never died, for you remain alive.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

With questions like "Is that a hole in an ass, or an ass surrounding a hole," we need a Science to help us formulate an answer. Any Philosophers here? Don't be shy. Speak up.

It's a hole in an ass.

Science!

 

[KingOrfeo]

With questions like "Is that a hole in an ass, or an ass surrounding a hole," we need a Science . . .

Specifically, for a question like that, you need topology. (Well, actually, what you need is a reason, but we'll assume that as a given.)

 

[Liar]

Specifically, for a question like that, you need topology. (Well, actually, what you need is a reason, but we'll assume that as a given.)

With a question like that, what you need is a hobby.