Is it wrong to have age be vague?

[Pixxie]

My incest story was rejected for a possible underage relationship in my story. In the story, I make no reference to age except for a statement in the intro that says "I have always been attracted to my mother."

I thought that keeping age vague and making no references to being too young would still be okay.

Because it wouldn't compromise the story or my beliefs (I had the protagonist 18 in my head while writing it -- I just hate that disclaimer line "just after my 18th birthday, it happened"), I added the following line:

It wasn't until a few years after puberty hit (right at the end of high school) that I began to see mom in a different way.



Do you think this line will help my story pass?
Is making a character's age vague a violation of Lit standards?

 

[sr71plt]

You could try that sentence. If you don't include a note in the notes box that none of the characters is under eighteen, you quite possibly are facing another rejection. The note won't appear on the story; it's to bring the story to the attention of the human editor for review. You still could be rejected, though, if you don't put specific reference in the story to the character being over 18. Parent-child incest pretty much assumes underage unless specifically disclaimered (and I'm willing to bet the underage angle is what a lot of readers of incest are hoping to find--and that a lot of writers of it are hoping to imply).

 

[Pixxie]

Thanks

Thank you. I was waiting for at least one opinion before I resubmit. It's still vague, but it's more specifically vague.

And yes, this is how I write.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

When I write "ancient" stories when it was unlikely that age was a factor, Lit was okay with me saying a woman was of "marrying age".

 

[sr71plt]

When I write "ancient" stories when it was unlikely that age was a factor, Lit was okay with me saying a woman was of "marrying age".

That's good to know. It's always been a sticking point when writing of a time period where 18 is closer to death than sexual adulthood.

 

[Pixxie]

Shakespeare wouldn't get published

That's pretty funny, I never thought about that; like how Romeo and Juliet were 13.

But seriously, it was never my intention to write pedophilia stories, I just hate that statement at the beginning of every story ...

I had just turned 18 when ...


I thought that NOT referring to playing with dolls or sucking on a pacifier would be enough. Sigh, everybody's gotta watch their legal ass.

 

[Darkniciad]

That's good to know. It's always been a sticking point when writing of a time period where 18 is closer to death than sexual adulthood.

Yep, I've used "majority" and rites of passage into adulthood as well - neither of which may be taking place at 18 depending upon the setting or the time period.

 

[sr71plt]

Yep, I've used "majority" and rites of passage into adulthood as well - neither of which may be taking place at 18 depending upon the setting or the time period.

Hmmm. Now that I think of it, I think I've successfully used that here too.

 

[Darkniciad]

For those looking at this as a way to get around age restrictions: The reason people were considered adults at that age is because they had to grow up a hella lot faster. The character is going to have to behave as an adult or you're still likely to get the rejection stamp.

It's about being true to the setting rather than getting around the age.

 

[roomfor1more]

Right after high school can imply that the character is 17, if their birthday falls in the summer or possibly 16 if the student was studious and able to graduate early.

I do not believe keeping the character age vague violates Literotica rules if you are able to deduce the age or approximate age from the story. However for this type of story, if you are not able to deduce the age from the story then stating 18 will be needed to get it past the editors.

 

[MichaelWest]

Yes and no.

Personally, I am made to chuckle when I read such details as age, weight, dress size, bra cup size and so forth. Rarely do I know such detail of a stranger of think in those terms. Approximate is how I write because I want something left to the imagination unless the fact is vital to telling the story. I write about adults so I never bother with age, but context lets you know the characters are rarely under 30.

However, when you delve into areas that have explicit rules, such as here, then you simply need to write the fact that is required of you or post the story elsewhere. It may deflate the mystery and ruin your vision, but the rule is there. It is what it is. Good luck!

 

[lovecraft68]

Although you said you don't like to do it, you're best bet really is the "I sighed as I looked out the classroom window at the Mustang my father had given me for my 18th birthday"

Yeah, its corny and a pain in the ass, but it guarantees your story gets through, which is ultimately what you want.

One thing to take into consideration is that many of the readers know that there is an under age rule here. Meaning that they know damn well you wish you were writing them younger sometimes and don;t think for a second that even though you're saying 18 they are not envisioning younger.

If you're adamant about using high school, I think you're going to have to go the cliched route.

Once you have established 18 however there are ways to work around the rules, pretty obvious ones for the most part.

 

[sr71plt]

Although you said you don't like to do it, you're best bet really is the "I sighed as I looked out the classroom window at the Mustang my father had given me for my 18th birthday"

This is the way to get past that barrier. You find a way to slip it in in passing. You don't need to put it in a separate disclaimer or slap it awkwardly in the first sentence of the story.

If it seems fake to make it clear the characters are legally adults, you're probably trying to slip an underage story in anyway.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

In this day and age (in the UK, lest anyone think I am insulting our former colonies) it is unlikely that there are any interesting characters who are completely virginal at their 18th birthday. That is what leads to all the stories on this site of unsullied virgins, pure in thought and deed, having 18th birthday parties which become total gang-bang orgies.

If the story is set in Victorian England then a totally ignorant bride of 18 years old is perfectly possible in the upper and middle classes (see Bedroom Antics).

 

[lovecraft68]

In this day and age (in the UK, lest anyone think I am insulting our former colonies) it is unlikely that there are any interesting characters who are completely virginal at their 18th birthday. That is what leads to all the stories on this site of unsullied virgins, pure in thought and deed, having 18th birthday parties which become total gang-bang orgies.

If the story is set in Victorian England then a totally ignorant bride of 18 years old is perfectly possible in the upper and middle classes (see Bedroom Antics).

This is why I don;t bother writing anything in the first time category. I enjoy that genre and have some outlines, but I refuse to make them 18+ its ridiculous to write that everyone waits until their 18.

I have no desire to write kiddie porn, but for that category I would lean towards 16 (age of consent most places these days)

even incest you know damn well ion reality this is happening pre 18 but it doesn't bother me to use 18+ because the subject matter is taboo enough in and of itself.

 

[emap]

It wasn't until a few years after puberty hit (right at the end of high school) that I began to see mom in a different way.

This will get you denied again. Think about it, when does puberty start?

Unless the person is a late bloomer puberty starts at 12. A few years after puberty starts you are talking about a fifteen year old. There is one very simple method to get a story about someone in high school posted here. Mention somewhere that it is their senior year. At the beginning, the middle, right in the middle of the hot sex, the very end, it doesn't matter when, just mention it.

Now if the character acts childish you will be denied anyway no matter what you do. It doesn't matter if you flash ID saying the childish one is 32, how the characters act is what matters. There is a way to get around this, mentally handicapped tend to act younger than they are. Good luck writing that however because it is possible it won't be posted anyway.

Snoopy it's possible for someone to graduate high school a virgin in this day and age. Not likely but there are places where religion is king and sleeping around will damn you to hell. There is a reason why alot of virginity is lost in college, they got away from their parents and preacher.

 

[lovecraft68]

This will get you denied again. Think about it, when does puberty start?

Unless the person is a late bloomer puberty starts at 12. A few years after puberty starts you are talking about a fifteen year old. There is one very simple method to get a story about someone in high school posted here. Mention somewhere that it is their senior year. At the beginning, the middle, right in the middle of the hot sex, the very end, it doesn't matter when, just mention it.

Now if the character acts childish you will be denied anyway no matter what you do. It doesn't matter if you flash ID saying the childish one is 32, how the characters act is what matters. There is a way to get around this, mentally handicapped tend to act younger than they are. Good luck writing that however because it is possible it won't be posted anyway.

Snoopy it's possible for someone to graduate high school a virgin in this day and age. Not likely but there are places where religion is king and sleeping around will damn you to hell. There is a reason why alot of virginity is lost in college, they got away from their parents and preacher.

Common since wise you're right. But the "bot" lit uses seems to react to numbers and things like this get through.

I can't tell you how pissed i get when I see a story with a girl described as having "budding breasts" are you kidding? I have daughters and if I recall things started "budding when they were around 12. There is one very popular incest author who is famous for this and I've never seen one f his stories pulled.

I would wager the puberty line has a 50/50 to get through. then it would be up to someone to report it which is a 25/75 that the site actually does it.

There is a right way to do it, and Pilot makes a good point that if the OP really is shying away from that perhaps his goal is an underage story.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Common since wise you're right. But the "bot" lit uses seems to react to numbers and things like this get through.

I can't tell you how pissed i get when I see a story with a girl described as having "budding breasts" are you kidding? I have daughters and if I recall things started "budding when they were around 12. There is one very popular incest author who is famous for this and I've never seen one f his stories pulled.

I would wager the puberty line has a 50/50 to get through. then it would be up to someone to report it which is a 25/75 that the site actually does it.

There is a right way to do it, and Pilot makes a good point that if the OP really is shying away from that perhaps his goal is an underage story.

What the fuck?!

I thought you were leaving?

I want the $10.00 back that I put in your going away card (lol).

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

What I don't understand is the number of people on here and on Story Ideas who want to work out ways round the no-sex-under-18 rule. Heaven knows, there are enough sites which allow younger ages, and even one site advertising itself as "Child Erotica at its Best".

In my "Delights" series there is a story of a misguided Englishman who hands over his teenage daughter to the Emir under the mistaken impression that she will be educated with the Emir's children instead of being taken to the Emir's bed within hours of arriving. It would look stupid if she were 18, so I simply would not post the story on here.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

What I don't understand is the number of people on here and on Story Ideas who want to work out ways round the no-sex-under-18 rule. Heaven knows, there are enough sites which allow younger ages, and even one site advertising itself as "Child Erotica at its Best".

In my "Delights" series there is a story of a misguided Englishman who hands over his teenage daughter to the Emir under the mistaken impression that she will be educated with the Emir's children instead of being taken to the Emir's bed within hours of arriving. It would look stupid if she were 18, so I simply would not post the story on here.

 

[PennLady]

What I don't understand is the number of people on here and on Story Ideas who want to work out ways round the no-sex-under-18 rule. Heaven knows, there are enough sites which allow younger ages, and even one site advertising itself as "Child Erotica at its Best".

I've wondered that myself. I understand that a lot of people have sex before they are 18, and I realize that when it comes to historical fiction, people married and had sex at very young ages. However, it doesn't seem that hard to get Lit's rule -- no underage sex scenes. You can allude to it; for example, I imagine you could have a sentence like: "They married at seventeen" so long as you don't describe any sex. And there are lots of stories with lines like "X happened when I/she/he was [in high school]."

But why people seem so intent on circumventing a rule they knew was in place when they signed up, I don't get it.

 

[sr71plt]

But why people seem so intent on circumventing a rule they knew was in place when they signed up, I don't get it.

Ummm, because they actually want to be understood as writing about messing around with children(?)

The rule only frustrates me when I'm writing a period piece (because I want to write a period piece, not because I want to write about underage) in a setting where it's ludicrous to be dealing with deflowering after 18 and when there were no such underage laws.

 

[PennLady]

Ummm, because they actually want to be understood as writing about messing around with children(?)

Well, yes, I suppose so. But like I said, if that's against the rules here, why do it? There are other sites; perhaps not as big as this with as many readers, but them's the breaks.

The rule only frustrates me when I'm writing a period piece (because I want to write a period piece, not because I want to write about underage) in a setting where it's ludicrous to be dealing with deflowering after 18 and when there were no such underage laws.

Yes, I can understand that. It would bother me, too, if I wrote such a thing b/c I'd want to be accurate.

 

[lovecraft68]

Ummm, because they actually want to be understood as writing about messing around with children(?)

The rule only frustrates me when I'm writing a period piece (because I want to write a period piece, not because I want to write about underage) in a setting where it's ludicrous to be dealing with deflowering after 18 and when there were no such underage laws.

I agree, but also will add that for the same reasoning I find it ludicrous that everybody's first time is 18/18+ in the first time category.

First time sex is something I enjoy reading and writing about, but even the good stories here make my eyes roll when I see 18 and I wouldn't bother writing anything in it.

My incest series originally had the sibs having their first time at a more believable 17/16 I changed it here but was chewing on my lip when I made them 19/18.

But you're right in that not everyone wants to write underage to appeal to pedo's or to be shocking, it is just sometimes about the story being more realistic.

 

[talismania]

The rule only frustrates me when I'm writing a period piece (because I want to write a period piece, not because I want to write about underage) in a setting where it's ludicrous to be dealing with deflowering after 18 and when there were no such underage laws.

It irks me, too, but I simply make certain my character is at least 18 if I post a story to Lit. It's that simple. Even in published stories, though, where I can make a character younger, I don't make them as young as was really the case in much of antiquity.

What's funny is having to age the parents, because if I have all those eighteen year olds running around having first time sex, and I want them to have parents who were similarly legal, I'm dealing with ages where, historically, elders were often dead.

I understand why people want to bend the rules. I get it, it's their kink. Why they think everyone else needs to agree with their logic is what makes for interesting forum reading.