The real reason to vote for Obama...

[TexasWife25]

There is no such animal in the US as an independent. There are people who don't want to associate with a party but everybody knows which party they'd vote for if you simply presented them with a guy walking up with a colored tie and a letter sewn on their jacket.

You really think there's no such thing as an independent? I consider myself an independent, I have voted for democrats, and Ive voted for republicans.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The real reason to vote for Obama is that America's economy, and everything else, seems usually to be better off at the end of a Dem Administration and worse off at the end of a Pub Administration.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It would seem that you know all about being wrong. This last post for example.

Generalize much?

I'm not wrong. There is no such animal as an independent. There are people who are ashamed to associate with their chosen party but everybody knows which party they would vote for if they only thing they knew was which party the two individuals were from.

The reasons for this are rather simple. Most people know have actual convictions and one party will more closely reflect their values and convictions than the other. That's not to say people don't vote against their party from time to time but the independents are like agnostics. At best their cowards at worst their dishonest. Everybody has a side.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The real reason to vote for Obama is that America's economy, and everything else, seems usually to be better off at the end of a Dem Administration and worse off at the end of a Pub Administration.

That is a good reason, isn't it?

 

[1sickbastard]

I'm not wrong. There is no such animal as an independent. There are people who are ashamed to associate with their chosen party but everybody knows which party they would vote for if they only thing they knew was which party the two individuals were from.

The reasons for this are rather simple. Most people know have actual convictions and one party will more closely reflect their values and convictions than the other. That's not to say people don't vote against their party from time to time but the independents are like agnostics. At best their cowards at worst their dishonest. Everybody has a side.

You keep telling yourself that. We'll simply have to agree to disagree.

You are correct about one thing; Everyone does have a side.

I'm on MY side. Never have I, or will I vote a straight party ticket, because neither party is on MY side.

Your reasoning does reflect that you may not have much experience at doing your own thinking, or have the guts to stand apart from some group or another.

So really, who the coward?

 

[Sam37]

Bush is no longer president, despite the fact that his successor can't let him go.

It's amazing that the pot can't see it's own color while criticizing the kettle.

I criticized Bush for his failings when he was in office. I'm criticizing Obama now. I'm consistent.

Liberals are not, as has been demonstrated in abundance in this thread.

Furthermore, I criticize actions, not the person. Big difference.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You keep telling yourself that. We'll simply have to agree to disagree.

You are correct about one thing; Everyone does have a side.

I'm on MY side. Never have I, or will I vote a straight party ticket, because neither party is on MY side.

Your reasoning does reflect that you may not have much experience at doing your own thinking, or have the guts to stand apart from some group or another.

So really, who the coward?

A certain brand of nazi would like to have a word with you.

That aside if you've never have or never will vote a straight party ticket it's just because you're some kind of cartoon charachter who believes in chaos for the sake of chaos. Even if you followed every single race on your ballot which only the most hardcore of voters do the fact that you not only never have run across a race where one side was simply against you and the otherside simply didn't care about you one way or the other and you can predict that such a thing will never happen suggests that you don't really believe in anything.

I don't care what your stance is you must have opinions on the things I listed before. Abortion, immigration, gay marriage. If you're saying that if I simply walked up to you laid down a two pictures one with a guy with a blue background and the other with a red background that you wouldn't be predisposed to vote one way or the other your lying. That's not to say that after learning about the two men and their individual stances on a number of issues that you're incapable of shrugging off your preconceived notions but you have them because you're a living breathing human being not a robot. At least I think you're a human being.

 

[1sickbastard]

A certain brand of nazi would like to have a word with you. I'm becoming increasingly convinced I'm already having a word with a "certain brand of nazi"

That aside if you've never have or never will vote a straight party ticket it's just because you're some kind of cartoon charachter who believes in chaos for the sake of chaos. Even if you followed every single race on your ballot which only the most hardcore of voters do the fact that you not only never have run across a race where one side was simply against you and the otherside simply didn't care about you one way or the other and you can predict that such a thing will never happen suggests that you don't really believe in anything. Sure I have beliefs, but I'm not driven by ideology I'm a pragmatist. What I care about are results. What one says means little.

I don't care what your stance is you must have opinions on the things I listed before. Abortion, immigration, gay marriage. If you're saying that if I simply walked up to you laid down a two pictures one with a guy with a blue background and the other with a red background that you wouldn't be predisposed to vote one way or the other your lying. That's not to say that after learning about the two men and their individual stances on a number of issues that you're incapable of shrugging off your preconceived notions but you have them because you're a living breathing human being not a robot. At least I think you're a human being.

Of course I have preconceptions, personal biases and prejudices. I do recognize them for what they are and always make the attempt to set them aside so I can look at the world dispassionately. It still doesn't mean I have a need to follow a party line or vote for a candidate because he/she happens to affiliated with a particular party.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

Of course I have preconceptions, personal biases and prejudices. I do recognize them for what they are and always make the attempt to set them aside so I can look at the world dispassionately. It still doesn't mean I have a need to follow a party line or vote for a candidate because he/she happens to affiliated with a particular party.

Didn't say you did. I said as you admit that you have preconceptions, personal biases and prejudices. Though I would add on that all of those are "negative" words and I would replace them all with PREFERENCES.

I didn't say you need to follow a party line, nor vote for a candidate with a particular party. I said you have a side and you know that while you YOUR side is exclusive to you that you know which team you affilate with and which assuming you either no nothing or barring that all things are "equal" which side you'll lean towards. Because everybody does. That's just how reality functions.

 

[miles]

Really?

And here I thought it was because, despite his flaws, Oblamer is actually the lesser evil.

BTW, the current POTUS has done more in the 3years, 6 weeks of his term to crack down on illegal immigration that his predesessor did in two full terms in office.

Any comments on that?

Like what?

 

[miles]

The real reason to vote for Obama is that America's economy, and everything else, seems usually to be better off at the end of a Dem Administration and worse off at the end of a Pub Administration.

That means he has eight months to turn the economy around.

 

[Sean Renaud]

^^^^ Nope. Even if things stayed exactly like this we'd still be better off than when Bush left. Not that it's likely not to continue improving bit by bit anyway but that's not the point.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That means he has eight months to turn the economy around.

Nice if he can, but, it's already better off then it was at the end of the Bush Admin. And a lot of other things are better now than in 2008.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That means he has eight months to turn the economy around.

If you spent less time on Breitbart.TV and more time on a reputable news site, you'd have learned that by almost every major yardstick of measurement, the economy is improving rather rapidly.

But you don't, and you didn't. YCSDIAF.

 

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[1sickbastard]

I'm a Santorum man.

Uuhhhmmmm....

 

[1sickbastard]

You really think there's no such thing as an independent? I consider myself an independent, I have voted for democrats, and Ive voted for republicans.

You have to understand that those who veiw the world as either black or white have no concept of nuiance, shading or grey, let alone a full spectrum of color.

There are only two kinds of people in the world; those who think the world has only two kinds of people and everybody else.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You have to understand that those who veiw the world as either black or white have no concept of nuiance, shading or grey, let alone a full spectrum of color.

There are only two kinds of people in the world; those who think the world has only two kinds of people and everybody else.

Again, incorrect. There is plenty of nuance, there there thousands of shades of grey and very little is as simple as black and white. However to be an true independent you have to be PRECISELY 50% Black 50% White. If you're 49% White and 51% grey however you've shown a preference for the dark side. Not a great preference mind you but a preference. To be that 50/50 split you'd have to basically go out and vote not for issues or people but to maintain the balance in the Force. Most people aren't even kinda in the middle once they start weighting issues appropriately.

 

[1sickbastard]

Again, incorrect. There is plenty of nuance, there there thousands of shades of grey and very little is as simple as black and white. However to be an true independent you have to be PRECISELY 50% Black 50% White. If you're 49% White and 51% grey however you've shown a preference for the dark side. Not a great preference mind you but a preference. To be that 50/50 split you'd have to basically go out and vote not for issues or people but to maintain the balance in the Force. Most people aren't even kinda in the middle once they start weighting issues appropriately.

From Webster's Unabridged Dictionary:

independent, n. A person who is independent in thinking, action, etc, ; specifically, a person not an adherent of any political party; one who votes as he/she wishes, without regard to party lables.

But you go on convincing yourself that you're right.

 

[miles]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

Hurts so good, don't it?

 

[miles]

Nice if he can, but, it's already better off then it was at the end of the Bush Admin. And a lot of other things are better now than in 2008.

Like gas prices and unemployment?

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

I'm going to vote for Obama just to piss off Miles.

and btw, stfu, Miles