Analogy to the Catholics being forced to pay for BC

[mercury14]

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Excerpt from linked article:
Ever since the Obama administration touched off a furious national debate with its decision to require all employers to facilitate and subsidize "free" birth control coverage for their employees, advocates on both sides of the question have sought to position themselves as representative of mainstream public opinion. Opponents of the unconstitutional mandate have seized upon national polling from Rasmussen Reports, while Obama supporters frequently cite DailyKos-affiliated Democratic pollster PPP. Here's a look at the two polls' respective outcomes, which seem irreconcilable:


Then Obama had to backtrack. Even Libs were on his ass. Link.

Did you even read your article??? Rasmussen's poll asks a loaded question while the PPP poll does not. Futhermore, Rasmussen only polls land lines, meaning they disproportionately poll old, retired conservatives with 1950s views of sexuality, premarital sex, and religion.

Obama has said he's not going to compromise any further. He's done. The law is the law.

And this has become a massive loser of an issue for Republicans.

 

[TexasWife25]

why did I even bother to try to make an analogy. The Libs on this board are perfectly OK with the healthcare mandate, perfectly OK with Obama's "I won't raise taxes on couples earning under $250K." But when Obama stated that his healthcare Mandate was a Tax, the Libs just said "It aint't a tax regardless of what Obama said, and ya know what else? Our taxes won't go up for under 250K couples regardless of what anybody said"

Damn, DON'T drink any more cool aid.

a·nal·o·gy
   [uh-nal-uh-jee] Show IPA
noun, plural -gies.
1.
a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
2.
similarity or comparability: I see no analogy between your problem and mine.
3.
Biology . an analogous relationship.
4.
Linguistics .
a.
the process by which words or phrases are created or re-formed according to existing patterns in the language, as when shoon was re-formed as shoes, when -ize is added to nouns like winter to form verbs, or when a child says foots for feet.
b.
a form resulting from such a process.
5.
Logic . a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.

 

[John Doe]

Off base.

And there's no such thing as an "atheist organization" in the United States.

http://www.atheists.org/

 

[John Doe]

1st, there is a fundamental difference in "Catholic forced to buy birth control" and "Employers not allowed to block birth control in their insurance coverage".
2nd, I dont remember anyone ruling the mandate was in any way "unconstitutional"

How does health insurance work?

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Did you even read your article??? Rasmussen's poll asks a loaded question while the PPP poll does not. Futhermore, Rasmussen only polls land lines, meaning they disproportionately poll old, retired conservatives with 1950s views of sexuality, premarital sex, and religion.

Obama has said he's not going to compromise any further. He's done. The law is the law.

And this has become a massive loser of an issue for Republicans.

Well, we agree on that point: it was a massive loser of an issue with Repubs. Rush made it worse.

a·nal·o·gy
   [uh-nal-uh-jee] Show IPA
noun, plural -gies.
1.
a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
2.
similarity or comparability: I see no analogy between your problem and mine.
3.
Biology . an analogous relationship.
4.
Linguistics .
a.
the process by which words or phrases are created or re-formed according to existing patterns in the language, as when shoon was re-formed as shoes, when -ize is added to nouns like winter to form verbs, or when a child says foots for feet.
b.
a form resulting from such a process.
5.
Logic . a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.

In my OP, I was seeking to set out to make an analogy. I event asked in the OP "is this a suitable analogy."

But thanks for the definitions

 

[mercury14]

http://www.atheists.org/

Of course there are groups of atheists. But there are not officially recognized atheist "religious" organizations with religious tax exemptions, etc.

 

[TexasWife25]

How does health insurance work?

There is a difference between Catholics, and employers.

 

[mercury14]

Well, we agree on that point: it was a massive loser of an issue with Repubs. Rush made it worse.

I just tuned into Fox News for a bit. Republicans are still pushing this sucker. Typically things like this don't translate into many votes come election day, but this has become so appalling to such a huge group of people (including a ton of conservatives) that I suspect it's going to push votes to Obama. It's such a black eye on the Republican brand.

And it's a lost opportunity for Romney and Santorum. If one of them stood up and lambasted the shit out of Limbaugh they'd look like a hero to everyone. But poor candidates make poor decisions.

 

[Ham Murabi]

How's this for not an analogy: The stopgap plan is the government ordering the insurance companies to pay for the birth control.
Really? Government ordering a business to provide something to someone for free.
Do you actually support this? Do you really believe it's constitutional?

 

[TexasWife25]

How's this for not an analogy: The stopgap plan is the government ordering the insurance companies to pay for the birth control.
Really? Government ordering a business to provide something to someone for free.
Do you actually support this? Do you really believe it's constitutional?

Serious question, were you this upset when your state mandated it?

 

[mercury14]

How's this for not an analogy: The stopgap plan is the government ordering the insurance companies to pay for the birth control.

That's not what the government did at all. The government is mandating that insurance companies include reproductive health coverage as a component of the greater plan. They're welcome to charge any price they wish for that plan and to use birth control as part of their cost calculation.

Really? Government ordering a business to provide something to someone for free.

It's not free. The cost of birth control coverage is included in the group rate. There can't be copayments or service fees, but that doesn't mean it's free in the least bit.

Do you actually support this? Do you really believe it's constitutional?

It's definitely constitutional under the commerce clause, yes.

 

[mercury14]

Serious question, were you this upset when your state mandated it?

He wasn't upset because it's DIFFERENT when Republicans are doing the mandating.

Ham, Beco, Pornstarwannabe, and Garbage labor under more misinformation than any other posters. Algae AJ, India Trip Vette, and Death Panel Rightfield come in a close second.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I broke my ankle at a New Year's Eve dance, so I went to the Baptist Hospital ER to have it set.

When they found out how I injured it they wouldn't set it or even rent me a pair of crutches.





























































Okay, I'm just kiddin'. But it could happen!

 

[John Doe]

Of course there are groups of atheists. But there are not officially recognized atheist "religious" organizations with religious tax exemptions, etc.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. Of course there aren't any atheist religious organizations because that's an oxymoron, but that has nothing to do with your claim anyway.

There is a difference between Catholics, and employers.

So? I asked you how insurance works.

 

[heartoftexasgrl]

Preventive care is already mandated to be covered at 100% by your insurance, with no cost to you. This includes your kid's immunizations, pap smears, prostate exams, yearly physicals, etc. This law makes sure that birth control is classified as preventive care (which doctors already have considered it for years), and is covered as such, rather than just being a normal prescription that you pay a co-pay for. I worked for BCBS for years. Catholic hospitals have covered birth control pills under their prescription plan, because they do not forbid the use of it by women for non-contraceptive uses, which has always been the Catholic women's dirty little secret. "I"ll tell the doctor that I have irregular periods so I can get on the pill because this quiverful stuff is bullshit."

I don't hear anyone griping about the law stating that your kid's tetanus shot is covered at 100%. This is strictly based on one group of people's religious views. In this case, the rest of us need freedom FROM religion more than Catholics need freedom of religion. Plain and simple.

 

[mercury14]

Now you're just moving the goalposts. Of course there aren't any atheist religious organizations because that's an oxymoron, but that has nothing to do with your claim anyway.

You're confused. Go back and read the OP to see what my comment was referring to.

 

[bg23]

Preventive care is already mandated to be covered at 100% by your insurance, with no cost to you. This includes your kid's immunizations, pap smears, prostate exams, yearly physicals, etc. This law makes sure that birth control is classified as preventive care (which doctors already have considered it for years), and is covered as such, rather than just being a normal prescription that you pay a co-pay for. I worked for BCBS for years. Catholic hospitals have covered birth control pills under their prescription plan, because they do not forbid the use of it by women for non-contraceptive uses, which has always been the Catholic women's dirty little secret. "I"ll tell the doctor that I have irregular periods so I can get on the pill because this quiverful stuff is bullshit."

I don't hear anyone griping about the law stating that your kid's tetanus shot is covered at 100%. This is strictly based on one group of people's religious views. In this case, the rest of us need freedom FROM religion more than Catholics need freedom of religion. Plain and simple.

Good post. You should frequent the GB more.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Relax. We'll have a Supreme Court ruling in 3 months.

 

[Stewart_Pidd]

Relax. We'll have a Supreme Court ruling in 3 months.

it won't be long bro

Stew

 

[JohnnySavage]

Good post. You should frequent the GB more.

It was ok. I'd rank it above an Indie post, but below a Hogan post. Sort of Sonnyish in quality.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Preventive care is already mandated to be covered at 100% by your insurance, with no cost to you. This includes your kid's immunizations, pap smears, prostate exams, yearly physicals, etc. This law makes sure that birth control is classified as preventive care (which doctors already have considered it for years), and is covered as such, rather than just being a normal prescription that you pay a co-pay for. I worked for BCBS for years. Catholic hospitals have covered birth control pills under their prescription plan, because they do not forbid the use of it by women for non-contraceptive uses, which has always been the Catholic women's dirty little secret. "I"ll tell the doctor that I have irregular periods so I can get on the pill because this quiverful stuff is bullshit."

I don't hear anyone griping about the law stating that your kid's tetanus shot is covered at 100%. This is strictly based on one group of people's religious views. In this case, the rest of us need freedom FROM religion more than Catholics need freedom of religion. Plain and simple.

merc, you want to tell her that this is a lie?

When I said Sebelius was mandating free stuff, that's what you said...

It's a LIE!

 

[heartoftexasgrl]

As of September of 2010, under the Affordable Care Act, preventive services, including physicals, cancer screenings (colonoscopies, mammograms, pap smears), immunizations, well child care, cholesterol screenings, etc. are mandated to be covered by employer health plans and individual policies at 100%, no deductible or co-pay. From my experience in working with BCBS, I'd say about 75-85% of policies were written this way already. It makes good financial sense on the part of the insurer to encourage members to take advantage of preventive care, as it saves money down the road for them- much like the covering of contraception is less expensive than covering maternity care and another child on a policy.
Services aren't "free" in the sense that doctors must perform them without compensation, but they are "free" in terms of an insured patient doling out additional money at the doctor's office, over and above the premiums they are paying for their policy. The insurance companies certainly aren't going to the poorhouse over this.

 

[TexasWife25]

So? I asked you how insurance works.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=....,cf.osb&fp=9699b23bffa1b841&biw=1366&bih=598

 

[mercury14]

merc, you want to tell her that this is a lie?

When I said Sebelius was mandating free stuff, that's what you said...

It's a LIE!

By "no cost to you", it means no fees or co-pays. The cost of preventative care is factored into the group rate. What the mandate does is assure that there's a minimum set of coverage for preventative care - insurers are free to alter the plans by adding coverage.

Are we all in agreement on this?

(no we are not because this forum is still littered with misinformed conservatives insisting that insurance companies have to work pro-bono now because of evil Obama).

 

[mercury14]

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=....,cf.osb&fp=9699b23bffa1b841&biw=1366&bih=598

Thanks for not playing his stupid little game.