Penn Judge: Muslims Allowed to Attack People for Insulting Mohammad

I think it's actually the third. I haven't heard about this case anywhere but Lit, so it must be making the rounds on Drudge and other arenas where the paranoids hang out.

Dressing up as "Zombie Muhammad" is clearly protected speech, and there's some evidence that the judge is deeply confused on this point, but that wasn't really the issue in this case. The notion that the judge invoked sharia in his acquittal is not supported by the facts. Period.

That pretty much sums it up perfectly.

But it's fun to watch the right-wingers get so bent out of shape about it. :D
 
And the fact that he wasn't charged with assault but with harassment tells you what?

I'm not really sure....as I am not familiar with all state laws. Some places the victim has a choice in the mater with regard to filing charges against the attacker. Other states that is not the case as the state files charges regardless. What is that states definition of assault vs. harassment? In my state you can shoot someone for spitting on you or stealing your hub caps. In other states you go to jail for shooting the guy who is raping your wife.

If this story is just BS used to get a rise out of the right wing nutters then LOL...if it is true however that some government official/office has shown favoritism or let a criminal go because of their religious beliefs/laws (and not those set forth by the legislating bodies with the authority over that district) then wtf ...something should be done.
 
If my neighbor across the street decides to rent to a brown guy, and the night he moves in I burn a cross in his yard...

...have I violated his civil rights and can I be federally prosecuted for it?


http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2007/November/07_crt_921.html
 
If my neighbor across the street decides to rent to a brown guy, and the night he moves in I burn a cross in his yard...

...have I violated his civil rights and can I be federally prosecuted for it?


http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2007/November/07_crt_921.html

Rent a brown guy....
 
I think it's actually the third. I haven't heard about this case anywhere but Lit, so it must be making the rounds on Drudge and other arenas where the paranoids hang out.


The real question seems to be why didn't your news source (read propaganda) report this incident to it's readers. You'd be surprised at what is really going on in today's world.
Funny. You believe that if it isn't reported by AP, NYTimes, ABC, NBC or CBS it didn't happen. These are partial results (only the first three pages) that a simple search turned. Funny that you did not hear about it.



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did fox report it either? :)

and yes... a list of search results mostly containing forums and notably, stormfront (lulz) is VERY indicative of it being news worthy!
 
Good Morning, what's a bemused girl like you doing up this early. I thought I was the only one up.

If things go unreported, or deemed unnewsworthy by some news sources, and not by me, it doesn't mean it isn't a precedent that's undercutting a culture, in small ways. Death by a thousand cuts, and all that. And Fox belongs on that list, I just thought that not many would watch it.

It might be time to re-read Orwells 1984.
 
I'm reading an excellent book about the Holocaust. Mostly it attempts to answer the question: HOW COME MILLIONS OF JEWS AND RUSSIANS HELPED THE GERMANS KILL THEM?

They coulda made the price of their lives too expensive, but didnt. Almost all of them calmly walked inside the gas chambers and patiently waited.

The answer is, almost all of us are conditioned to be nice and cooperative and not ruffle any feathers. Assertive people make us nervous.
 
Martin told Perce: "Having had the benefit of having spent over two and a half years in predominantly Muslim countries I think I know a little bit about the faith of Islam. ... In many Arabic-speaking countries something like this is definitely against the law there. In their society in fact it can be punishable by death and it frequently is in their society."

So what? This is America, where we don't have to obey the Islamic blasphemy laws -- at least not yet. But Martin went on to reveal why he was ruling against the victim: "Then what you have done is you have completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very very very offensive. I'm a Muslim, I find it offensive." He now denies that he is a Muslim, but that's what he said.

Ultimately, it is irrelevant if the judge is or isn't a Muslim. What is germane is his sharia ruling, which is worse if he's not a Muslim. In Islam, sharia supersedes all man-made laws. It is the law of Allah, so one might understand (though not condone) a Muslim judge defaulting to sharia. But an American judge admonishing an infidel victim while holding up the Koran is shocking. You hear the Koran slam down in the audio of the court proceeding. Martin also told Perce: "You're way outside your boundaries or First Amendment rights."

Perce had video of the attack, but Judge Martin refused to allow the video into evidence. The judge refused even to look at the video, saying that he had heard enough and that there were two conflicting stories. In sharia, in any conflict between a Muslim and a non-Muslim, the Muslim is always right. Martin ruled for Elbayomy.

It gets worse. Since his ordeal began, the infidel victim, Ernest Perce, has received 471 verifiable threats. Perce never released any personal information on Judge Martin or Elbayomy, but they released his, and now he has gotten threats at his home. He may also soon be spending time in jail because he released audio of the court proceeding. Martin is threatening to hold Perce in contempt of court for releasing the audio, even though Perce says he was given permission to release it.

Perce released the video because he believes that he was treated unfairly -- that Martin showed Elbayomy preferential treatment. He wrote to Bonnie Snyder, administrative secretary of the Cumberland County District Court: "I was in a recent proceeding and Judge Martin gave both parties the right/permission to record the proceeding on our cellular devices. I would like to know if it is allowed to put the recording online for listening purposes. If the answer is no, I'd like to know the case law which is being cited and the punishment for violating the case law."

Snyder responded: "Judge Martin only gave permission for the attorney or officer to record the proceedings. He did not give anyone else permission to record anything in the courtroom at the hearing held on December 6, 2011 at 2:45 pm."

Perce then asked her: "Are you instructing me via Judge Martin to destroy or delete and not use my audio recording?"

Answered Snyder: "Yes, since you were not authorized to make any recordings."
Are we living in a sharia state? Aren't court cases open to the public?
Recently I interviewed Ernest Perce and asked him why Judge Martin did not allow the video of the attack to be shown.

Perce: Judge would be offended! Yet they used comments made on the video at YouTube two months later to establish that I had a biased view toward Talaag Elbayomy. If the judge were honest, he would have said, "Attorney, the video is not entered as evidence, and therefore I cannot use the comment from two months after the supposed attack."

I called demanding to speak to the judge. He was always in a training session or in court. Finally, on February 16, I talked with the judge at 3:42PM, and he said, "I will hold you in contempt of court under section 42 of the Judicial System" if I didn't take down the audio. He also threatened to hold me in violation of 112 of the Rules of Court Section D.

He also said that I would be held in contempt of court. He denies this now, but this is what he told me. He was furious.

PG: Why did you decide to dress as Zombie Muhammad for Halloween in the first place?
Perce: Mainly to stand for the freedom of speech, and to show my disdain for such a hateful religion and culture. I have always made fun of Muhammad.

PG: When did you start receiving threats?

Perce: I started receiving death threats immediately after putting the video online of the parade. People have said that they would kill me, rip my eyes out, run me over, shoot me and laugh at me, since I have blasphemed Muhammad. They say I will be found out and [hanged] in front of my family.

PG: Did you report these threats? If so, what response did you receive?

Perce: I have reported several of the threats.

PG: What is your reaction to the judge's telling you that what you did was offensive to Muslims?

Perce: When I first heard Attorney Thomas, the defendant's attorney, telling me to read the Koran and the judge stayed silent, I was stunned. Then when the judge said, " I have a Koran; I challenge you to show me where it says Mohammed [rose] from the dead," I was stunned. I remember thinking "In America, what does it matter what interpretation a person has about a ruthless book?" I thought, "I'm not going to challenge you to a debate, and who in the hell are you to require me to read a Koran?"
This is America! Freedom of speech is our birthright. This judge trampled on the Constitution. At that point I forgot I was recording. Do you think he thinks that being offended justifies harassment? There is no doubt that he believes that offensive speech warrants harassment.

PG: What do you think of Judge Martin's office denying that he is a Muslim?

Perce: Remember, a Muslim can lie to a nonbeliever, a kaffir. He spoke Arabic to the defendant and his friend. They answered back. If he claims he isn't a Muslim, then why does he have a Koran? Why did he challenge me to a debate on the interpretation of the Koran? Why get mad at me and insult me? Why then go on a six-minute rant against me? Why value Islam above Christianity? He said, "They pray five times a day, towards Mecca. To be a good Muslim before you die, you have to make a pilgrimage to Mecca." Christians pray all the time, Jews pray all the time, Buddhists follow the basics of karma. Humanists will do no harm to anyone.

There is so much wrong with his preference for Islam. I've never met a Christian who got offended at a person dressing as Muhammad or wanted to debate them, or who told another person, "As-Salamu Alaykum."

His staff can say what they want, but there are only three possibilities: he just got saved, or if he has nothing to hide, why threaten me with contempt and order me to destroy the audio? Or third, he's a Muslim who is backpedaling because he got offended and had a slip of anger, and he knew he couldn't physically attack me!
Pamela Geller (Atlas Shrugs)



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