Im curious about the Mormon religion
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It's just really disrespectful. Besides the fact that Anne Frank has living relatives, she is a profound symbol of something very meaningful to millions of Jews. Pretty sure a lot folks would be pissed off if the local mosque came to the cemetery and started making people's grannies into Muslims, whether or not it took after the first nine tries.
Putting Jews who are still alive onto the "we gonna come getcha once ya' die" list is even more disrespectful though. Elie Wiesel actually organized a Jewish movement to protest this practice and the Mormon Church promptly responded by putting him on the list.
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A religion was disrespectful of another religion? No fuckin' way! That's like totally unheard of in the history of forever!
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No, you're just looking for some way to claim the moral high ground.
By the way, I just made Anne Frank the High Priestess and Divine Consort to the Almighty Raguh, One Knowing, One Seeing, One Divine, One God of the Church of Savageitism. Which carries the exact same gravitas of one wacko religion baptizing a dead person of another wacko religion.
I hope that doesn't make me a bad person.
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I think that was her title in the attic.
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Oh yes, it's a big fucking conspiracy and a threat to the national security.
Get a clue and study.
I have concluded, you often comment, without reading.
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This is not so tough.
Stand on any busy street corner and watch for two young men riding bicycles. The young men you want will be wearing white shirts with ties. Wave them down and say, "May I ask you a question?"
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Much easier to get half truths and hyperbole from an internet message board.
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The faith from one former Mormon
Mormon's do believe in Jesus Christ and they read the Bible. In addition to the Bible they read the Book of Mormon, which is a record of the people who lived in the Americas from like 600 BC to 400 AD. The Book of Mormon tells about the struggles of the people to be righteous and follow the will of God. The highlight of the record is that Jesus actually visited the people after he was crucified in the Holy Lands and after he was resurrected. The whole civilization in the end turns away from God and they kill all the believers and the record is buried in a hill in New York (well long before it was New York of course).
An angel then reveals to a 13-year-old boy where the record is in like 1820’s or something. The boy’s name is Joseph Smith and he translates the book by the gift and power of God. Joseph Smith organizes the church in Ohio when he is older. The Mormon’s are pretty cocky about being the “chosen people” and so the people in Ohio persecute them and pretty much drive them out of the state. They settle in Missouri but the governor of the state issues an “extermination order” making it legal and encouraging the people of the state to kill Mormon’s in sight. The Mormon’s plead with the US president to intervene, but the president does nothing. Joseph Smith and his brother are thrown in jail and a mob storms the jail and kills them. Shortly after that the Mormons pack their stuff and walk across the plains to the Salt Lake Valley (which was not part of the US at that time) to avoid persecution.
Mormon’s believe in the idea of eternal families. That we were all a big family before we came to earth with God being our spiritual father. That makes us all spiritual siblings. We were given the opportunity to come to earth to get physical bodies and be tested. While here we develop families. Those families are only eternal if they are sealed in the temple. So when a Mormon couple gets married, they get married in a temple and their marriage is “for time and all eternity” not “until death do us part”. The belief is that when we all die, they will still be married. They also believe that children are sealed to their parents and that when we get to the other side there will be one big chain of family with everyone being linked together. That is part of what is going on with what people mentioned about Anne Frank getting baptized. In the temple, people can be baptized for members of their families who have already died but did not hear about the Mormon doctrine and therefore did not have the opportunity to accept it. The idea is that you need a body to be baptized and someone who is dead, their spirit separates from the body so they have no means to be baptized anymore (this is a complicated doctrine). So when the family member is baptized for someone who has died they are giving the dead person is given the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ. If the dead person doesn’t want to be accept the baptism then all they do is decline it in the afterlife. But once they are baptized they can be sealed to their family. Mormon’s feel very strongly about being connected for eternity and don’t view being baptized for people who have passed on as pushing their religion on to others since they truly believe the people have the right to decide in the end if they accept the baptism.
As far as people becoming Gods and having their own planet, that is part of the doctrine. Mormon’s believe in Eternal Progression, which is the idea that as beings we will always be developing, learning, and growing. So my understanding of the idea is that we all lived as a family before we were born to our earthly family. We have heavenly parents just like we have earthly parents. We learned everything we could while in our heavenly home but there came a time when we could not progress farther, we needed to, in essence, leave home so we could continue to learn in grow. We are born on earth and receive a physical imperfect body our memory of our former life with our heavenly parents is gone. We learn and grow physically, emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually with the hope that through our choices we become more like our heavenly parents (meaning more loving, honest, kind, forgiving, integritous, humble . . . all the good traits of God). This change of our character and attributes happens through becoming aware of our human foibles and making purposeful change through repentance. Since God knew we all would mess up and feel lost, he sent His son, Jesus, who is actually the oldest of His spirit children (our oldest spiritual brother) to show us the way and to provide the means of repentance and resurrection.
When people are married in the Mormon temple, it is with the understanding that the point of the eternal marriage is for people to continue to have the opportunity to progress and grow. Mormons believe that once we die, we are not done. The belief is that if through how a married couple lived their lives they succeed at becoming more like our heavenly parents in attributes and character, they will have the opportunity to progress and become like our heavenly parents. Meaning they will have spiritual children to raise and look over, to nurture and love. Eventually those spirit children will need the opportunity to grow and progress through an earthly kind of experience so the couple will develop a world and their spirit children will have the same opportunities they had.
The Mormons refer to a quote given by one of their early prophets when they talk about Eternal Progression: “Man is as God once was, as God is Man can become.” The doctrine of eternal progression is interesting but it kind of boggles my mind because in essence that would mean that not only do we have heavenly parents (heavenly father and heavenly mother), but that would also mean we have heavenly grandparents, aunts and uncles . . . that would be an interesting family reunion to attend. It also means we have the potential to have eternal children and even grandchildren when our spirit children progress to the point of having their own spirit children. Multiply all that out and . . . well like I said it boggles my limited mind .
But in the end, it is not just as simple as when you die you get a planet. Eternal progression to the point of being a god and creating a plant with your eternal spouse only happens when a couple has progressed to the point of having the attributes and character of our heavenly parents. It is the Mormon belief that we all won’t get there, not even all Mormons will get there because some of our heavenly parents children won’t be willing to change their character (it is pretty hard work) or won’t want that kind of responsibility. Sometimes I hear people refer to Mormons as being very family oriented, that is correct but I don’t think they understand just how family oriented they are. To Mormons families are eternal (we came from a family, we develop a family during this life, and we potentially can go on after this life and increase our family).
-Thank you for PMing me, and allowing me to post it here
I really do appreciate you taking the take time to explain a few things.
Mormon's do believe in Jesus Christ and they read the Bible. In addition to the Bible they read the Book of Mormon, which is a record of the people who lived in the Americas from like 600 BC to 400 AD. The Book of Mormon tells about the struggles of the people to be righteous and follow the will of God. The highlight of the record is that Jesus actually visited the people after he was crucified in the Holy Lands and after he was resurrected. The whole civilization in the end turns away from God and they kill all the believers and the record is buried in a hill in New York (well long before it was New York of course).
An angel then reveals to a 13-year-old boy where the record is in like 1820’s or something. The boy’s name is Joseph Smith and he translates the book by the gift and power of God. Joseph Smith organizes the church in Ohio when he is older. The Mormon’s are pretty cocky about being the “chosen people” and so the people in Ohio persecute them and pretty much drive them out of the state. They settle in Missouri but the governor of the state issues an “extermination order” making it legal and encouraging the people of the state to kill Mormon’s in sight. The Mormon’s plead with the US president to intervene, but the president does nothing. Joseph Smith and his brother are thrown in jail and a mob storms the jail and kills them. Shortly after that the Mormons pack their stuff and walk across the plains to the Salt Lake Valley (which was not part of the US at that time) to avoid persecution.
Mormon’s believe in the idea of eternal families. That we were all a big family before we came to earth with God being our spiritual father. That makes us all spiritual siblings. We were given the opportunity to come to earth to get physical bodies and be tested. While here we develop families. Those families are only eternal if they are sealed in the temple. So when a Mormon couple gets married, they get married in a temple and their marriage is “for time and all eternity” not “until death do us part”. The belief is that when we all die, they will still be married. They also believe that children are sealed to their parents and that when we get to the other side there will be one big chain of family with everyone being linked together. That is part of what is going on with what people mentioned about Anne Frank getting baptized. In the temple, people can be baptized for members of their families who have already died but did not hear about the Mormon doctrine and therefore did not have the opportunity to accept it. The idea is that you need a body to be baptized and someone who is dead, their spirit separates from the body so they have no means to be baptized anymore (this is a complicated doctrine). So when the family member is baptized for someone who has died they are giving the dead person is given the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ. If the dead person doesn’t want to be accept the baptism then all they do is decline it in the afterlife. But once they are baptized they can be sealed to their family. Mormon’s feel very strongly about being connected for eternity and don’t view being baptized for people who have passed on as pushing their religion on to others since they truly believe the people have the right to decide in the end if they accept the baptism.
As far as people becoming Gods and having their own planet, that is part of the doctrine. Mormon’s believe in Eternal Progression, which is the idea that as beings we will always be developing, learning, and growing. So my understanding of the idea is that we all lived as a family before we were born to our earthly family. We have heavenly parents just like we have earthly parents. We learned everything we could while in our heavenly home but there came a time when we could not progress farther, we needed to, in essence, leave home so we could continue to learn in grow. We are born on earth and receive a physical imperfect body our memory of our former life with our heavenly parents is gone. We learn and grow physically, emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually with the hope that through our choices we become more like our heavenly parents (meaning more loving, honest, kind, forgiving, integritous, humble . . . all the good traits of God). This change of our character and attributes happens through becoming aware of our human foibles and making purposeful change through repentance. Since God knew we all would mess up and feel lost, he sent His son, Jesus, who is actually the oldest of His spirit children (our oldest spiritual brother) to show us the way and to provide the means of repentance and resurrection.
When people are married in the Mormon temple, it is with the understanding that the point of the eternal marriage is for people to continue to have the opportunity to progress and grow. Mormons believe that once we die, we are not done. The belief is that if through how a married couple lived their lives they succeed at becoming more like our heavenly parents in attributes and character, they will have the opportunity to progress and become like our heavenly parents. Meaning they will have spiritual children to raise and look over, to nurture and love. Eventually those spirit children will need the opportunity to grow and progress through an earthly kind of experience so the couple will develop a world and their spirit children will have the same opportunities they had.
The Mormons refer to a quote given by one of their early prophets when they talk about Eternal Progression: “Man is as God once was, as God is Man can become.” The doctrine of eternal progression is interesting but it kind of boggles my mind because in essence that would mean that not only do we have heavenly parents (heavenly father and heavenly mother), but that would also mean we have heavenly grandparents, aunts and uncles . . . that would be an interesting family reunion to attend. It also means we have the potential to have eternal children and even grandchildren when our spirit children progress to the point of having their own spirit children. Multiply all that out and . . . well like I said it boggles my limited mind .
But in the end, it is not just as simple as when you die you get a planet. Eternal progression to the point of being a god and creating a plant with your eternal spouse only happens when a couple has progressed to the point of having the attributes and character of our heavenly parents. It is the Mormon belief that we all won’t get there, not even all Mormons will get there because some of our heavenly parents children won’t be willing to change their character (it is pretty hard work) or won’t want that kind of responsibility. Sometimes I hear people refer to Mormons as being very family oriented, that is correct but I don’t think they understand just how family oriented they are. To Mormons families are eternal (we came from a family, we develop a family during this life, and we potentially can go on after this life and increase our family).
-Thank you for PMing me, and allowing me to post it here
I really do appreciate you taking the take time to explain a few things.So Brigham Young has to spend all eternity in Celestial Heaven with 55 wives?!
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I don't think what they're doing is immoral so I'm not claiming the moral high ground.
I clearly said what I think: that it's very disrespectful. No need to exaggerate what I said.
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I am just here for the polygamy plan.
All guys here who really think they could handle multi wives like the guy in Big Love, raise their . . . I don't see anything raising . . .
There's a possibly apocryphal anecdote about Mark Twain arguing polygamy with a Mormon. Finally the Mormon demanded, "But can you cite any Scripture that actually forbids polygamy?!" Twain replied, "Certainly! 'No man can serve two masters!'"
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And believing something that contradicts something that Jesus said makes them unique in Christianity...how?
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I have no idea what Big Love is, but sure only a special kind of man could handle more than one woman.
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Is there lots of sex?
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I dated a Mormon girl in high school.
I don't think she went to movies.
I don't think her parents liked me 'cause I smoked.
That's 'bout all I know..........
I don't think she went to movies.
I don't think her parents liked me 'cause I smoked.
That's 'bout all I know..........
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