Illegally detained -_- please excuse my rant

[WhatsBroknAlice]

Well the fucking cherry on top of a day that was complete shit HAS GOT TO BE the fucking cop SNATCHING MY PHONE OUT OF MY HANDS ! U asked "why are you touching me right now?" and he answered "because I dont care about your fucking rights and you can call whoever you want to when i let you" while I was unlawfully being detained with 3 of the MOST AMAZING AND USEFUL TO THE WORLD human beings, I know being told to shut the fuck up and what a waste of space we were.
#FTP...... forgive me for ranting here.
3 others and myself questioned the CLEARLY UNLAWFUL arrest of a homeless man named "Willy" we had been talking to an less than half an hour so before.
"Willy" kept asking the officer "why am i being arrested?" and "what are you arresting me for, i understand you are arresting me man can you just tell me why im being arrested" No response cop has dude in zip ties sifting through his pocket not a word. I asked if we could provide point of contact or if he could give us his last name.

All of us being respectful and complying with direct instruction. We were told to keep walking and we did , went across to street keep walking but paying attention. Then another cop car shows up we get told to sit down shut the fuck up, detained and verbally abused until the first officer finishes collecting 'Willy'. He told me to put my phone down and then grabs my hand and pried it from my fingers and put down on the sidewalk out of reach.
Would not answer why we were being detained, said we were trespassed but we were never instructed to leave MUCH LESS GIVEN PAPERS.

...of course I keep asking why i am being detained and dude gets about an inch from my face and screams "because you were fucking trespassed"

A little nervous crowd was scattered around watching,
As calmly as I could manage though yes my voice was raised by this point
I said "I am absolutely NOT trespassed, I have not been given any notice with which to comply and have not been served any documentation of trespass. NOW WHY AM I BEING FUCKING DETAINED?"
He totally ignored my question railed into my friend again
Yelled at us some more insulted us some more and eventually doing this laughing scoffing thing turned their backs on us. I said "Are we free to go?" he said "yeah fucking go"

There we sat stunned and fuming, got up walked over to get my phone where sat unattended on another seating area and called my attorney.

 

[QueenLevitra]

Why is that ^^they^^ all seem to choose the GB to shart the rant on?

 

[WhatsBroknAlice]

could be...? ...same reason ^^you^^ click on political threads just to bitch about how you don't like reading about the topic matter you just clicked on.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m144/c64glen/forum/wolf/1232562238924.png

 

[lil52hotrod]

if I may point out, and let me remind you, I wasnt there, that the Officer did ask you to leave, correct? As you may have left the immediate area, you did not completely leave, im sure of this because you were talking shit to the officers they have a right to stop you, its called a ped check. if no restraints were applied to your person, you were not detained, you were simply asked to sit down and shut up until they could figure out what was going on. now if your pissed off you can file a complaint with the department. did you get the officers name and badge number, if you didnt, you fcked up. they have to give their name and badge number when asked! if you want to tell me how stupid i am, feel free, im told that every nite! thanks!

 

[warrior queen]

Question... Do all Americans have attorneys on call?
Because it seems so to the rest of us.
I don't have an attorney - if I need one, then I'll go get one. But I certainly couldn't just pick up the phone and 'call my attoney'.

Oh, and to the OP, no.
Your rant is not excused.
Probably because you didn't actually have a point when you posted it.

 

[December]

Question... Do all Americans have attorneys on call?
Because it seems so to the rest of us.
I don't have an attorney - if I need one, then I'll go get one. But I certainly couldn't just pick up the phone and 'call my attoney'.

Oh, and to the OP, no.
Your rant is not excused.
Probably because you didn't actually have a point when you posted it.

How did you manage to miss the point of the OP? The point was that he was detained by the police, they treated him and his friends like crap through out, and he was pissed off about it.

 

[warrior queen]

How did you manage to miss the point of the OP? The point was that he was detained by the police, they treated him and his friends like crap through out, and he was pissed off about it.

Well, no. I don't think I missed the point.
What I got from his rant, was he and his friends did not do what they were told to do, and consequently were put in a position where they could no longer interfere with what the police were attempting to do.
There's a LOT in the rant that is missing.
I don't for one second believe that the police would have done this simply because these guys were quietly watching from a safe distance.
Much more likely, they were mouthing off and interfering.

 

[WhatsBroknAlice]

Yes of course I have badge numbers.
I am a community organizer for homeless advocacy and awareness of economic segregation. I am spending time in the "3rd meanest city to the homeless in America" and "#1 most violent toward the homeless for 4 years running"

You know,I feel that maybe all Americans SHOULD at this point at the very least be attending legal teach ins and gaining understandings of their civil rights.

 

[WhatsBroknAlice]

Well, no. I don't think I missed the point.
What I got from his rant, was he and his friends did not do what they were told to do, and consequently were put in a position where they could no longer interfere with what the police were attempting to do.
There's a LOT in the rant that is missing.
I don't for one second believe that the police would have done this simply because these guys were quietly watching from a safe distance.
Much more likely, they were mouthing off and interfering.

Uneducated assumptions do not offend me. try again?

 

[warrior queen]

Uneducated assumptions do not offend me. try again?

Right.
Well, you've just admitted you organise or advocate for the homeless.
Still going to deny you and your buddies were mouthing off?

 

[December]

Well, no. I don't think I missed the point.
What I got from his rant, was he and his friends did not do what they were told to do, and consequently were put in a position where they could no longer interfere with what the police were attempting to do.
There's a LOT in the rant that is missing.
I don't for one second believe that the police would have done this simply because these guys were quietly watching from a safe distance.
Much more likely, they were mouthing off and interfering.

1. What the real story was doesn't matter, I was addressing your comment about how the OP had no point to begin with. The point was, he got caught up with the cops, and he was pissed off about it. That's twice now I've said it, feel free to misinterpret again.

2. Cops are just like everyone else. There are good ones and there are bad ones. What you believe doesn't matter, because you'll never know what really happened or what kind of cops this guy actually ran into. I can say though, I have seen my fair share of dirty cops, and cops who like to treat people like garbage above and beyond the lines they should know to draw as police officers. Either way, we'll never know what the real story was, which means the only thing we can do here is offer our ears (eyes) to listen (read).

 

[December]

Right.
Well, you've just admitted you organise or advocate for the homeless.
Still going to deny you and your buddies were mouthing off?

If anything someone like him would be the last person to mouth off, as appearing to be a loud mouthed moron would make people pay less attention to him. Clearly awareness about homelessness isn't going to happen when everyone wants to ignore the big mouth advocate.

 

[WhatsBroknAlice]

: You do realize it is possible to have an educated conversation and maintain open dialogue without "mouthing off."

To further clarify as your alpha femaleness rambles on a thread they profess disinterest in. I am a she actually.

Once again your uneducated assumptions are not effective.

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2pspzpg.jpg

 

[lil52hotrod]

civil rights, there are 2 million illegal aliens walking around the united states that have more civil rights than united states citizens! let me ask you this, was the homeless guy drunk? if so, they were arresting him for public intoxication. you interfered with an arrest, im surprised you didnt go to jail for obstructing an officer, or better yet get tased! there are bad officers and good officers, its funny to me that you talk shit about them when they dont do what you want. i got an idea, next time you need help because someone broke into your house/car or whatever, call the homeless guy you tried to help, bet he dont come runnin!

 

[eyer]

Well the fucking cherry on top of a day that was complete shit HAS GOT TO BE the fucking cop SNATCHING MY PHONE OUT OF MY HANDS ! U asked "why are you touching me right now?" and he answered "because I dont care about your fucking rights and you can call whoever you want to when i let you" while I was unlawfully being detained with 3 of the MOST AMAZING AND USEFUL TO THE WORLD human beings, I know being told to shut the fuck up and what a waste of space we were.
#FTP...... forgive me for ranting here.
3 others and myself questioned the CLEARLY UNLAWFUL arrest of a homeless man named "Willy" we had been talking to an less than half an hour so before.
"Willy" kept asking the officer "why am i being arrested?" and "what are you arresting me for, i understand you are arresting me man can you just tell me why im being arrested" No response cop has dude in zip ties sifting through his pocket not a word. I asked if we could provide point of contact or if he could give us his last name.

All of us being respectful and complying with direct instruction. We were told to keep walking and we did , went across to street keep walking but paying attention. Then another cop car shows up we get told to sit down shut the fuck up, detained and verbally abused until the first officer finishes collecting 'Willy'. He told me to put my phone down and then grabs my hand and pried it from my fingers and put down on the sidewalk out of reach.
Would not answer why we were being detained, said we were trespassed but we were never instructed to leave MUCH LESS GIVEN PAPERS.

...of course I keep asking why i am being detained and dude gets about an inch from my face and screams "because you were fucking trespassed"

A little nervous crowd was scattered around watching,
As calmly as I could manage though yes my voice was raised by this point
I said "I am absolutely NOT trespassed, I have not been given any notice with which to comply and have not been served any documentation of trespass. NOW WHY AM I BEING FUCKING DETAINED?"
He totally ignored my question railed into my friend again
Yelled at us some more insulted us some more and eventually doing this laughing scoffing thing turned their backs on us. I said "Are we free to go?" he said "yeah fucking go"

There we sat stunned and fuming, got up walked over to get my phone where sat unattended on another seating area and called my attorney.

Just info that you may want to pursue if inclined...

...there was a very similar incident which happened a recent while back in Austin, Texas, I believe, that starred a West Point grad and former Army Ranger in a similar observer role as yours.

He and a friend witnessed cops stopping a car with two women in it, were alarmed at the abusive behavior of the cops toward the women, moved instinctively closer to see exactly what the problem was...

...and where treated basically the same way you posted you were - except both of them were arrested.

Anyway, he's also now a lawyer or something similar and he's going to fight the charges no matter what and try to shed light on what many consider a growing problem of police misconduct nationwide...

...if you'd like to check him out, the best direction I can point you is to infowars.com because I first heard his deal on the Alex Jones show; at the very worst you can email a producer there and they might provide more info to go on.

Or you can Google using some of the words I've provided and see if you get lucky...

 

[WhatsBroknAlice]

civil rights, there are 2 million illegal aliens walking around the united states that have more civil rights than united states citizens! let me ask you this, was the homeless guy drunk? if so, they were arresting him for public intoxication. you interfered with an arrest, im surprised you didnt go to jail for obstructing an officer, or better yet get tased! there are bad officers and good officers, its funny to me that you talk shit about them when they dont do what you want. i got an idea, next time you need help because someone broke into your house/car or whatever, call the homeless guy you tried to help, bet he dont come runnin!

No the homeless man was NOT drunk. He was sitting quietly outside, there was no clear indication of intoxication. I spoke to this man for quite while 15 minute prior to his arrest. Before your insult to intelligent debate continues, Please allow me to provide you with proper information for debate.






Charges dropped against woman who claims police brutality
May 21, 2011|By Anika Myers Palm, Orlando Sentinel

A woman who was injured in a confrontation with an Orlando police officer will not face a felony charge in connection with the incident, her attorney confirmed this morning.

Lisa Wareham, 20, suffered broken teeth and a bruised arm as she was arrested by Officer Livio Beccaccio at the Orange County Public Library in February. She had been charged with battery on a law-enforcement officer, a felony, and a misdemeanor charge of resisting an officer without violence. Court records show that the state has declined to prosecute her.
( http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rutality-lisa-wareham-officer-livio-beccaccio )


911 call: Police action 'over the top
excessive' witness to altercation said
Daniel Daley Jr., 84, suffered a broken neck after a confrontation with an Orlando police officer.
September 21, 2010|By Bianca Prieto, Orlando Sentinel

Orlando police released a series of 911 calls Tuesday that chronicled the events before and after a weekend confrontation with police that left an octogenarian with a broken neck.

"An 86-year-old man is arguing about getting his car towed," one 911 caller said. "He touched the police officer and the young officer flips him through the air on his face."

( http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rlando-police-police-officer-police-brutality )


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._1_police-brutality-orlando-police-man-claims

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/video-sheds-light-on-orlando-police-brutality-case/nDrbm/










The Ugly Truth of Orlando the Beautiful



1. Florida has the THIRD largest homeless population in the United States, a population of almost 60,000 people.

(“Unfortunately, the count is most likely a gross underestimate of the actual number of Floridians without housing of their own. These numbers do not capture the ―invisible‖ homeless – those who are forced to share the housing of others. This is especially true for families with children who have lost their homes.”)

Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report



2.^^^^NOT INCLUDED in the above figure are over 49,000 school-aged children who were identified by the public school districts as being homeless during the 2009-2010 school year. (19% increase from from 2008-2009. Of those identified, 6,330 (13%) were "unaccompanied youth", defined as not being in the physical custody of a parent or guardian. The majority, 36,633 (75%) were reported as homeless and temporarily sharing the housing of other persons due to the loss of their housing or economic hardship. This category of homeless students was up 33% over the 2008-2009 school year.)



(Florida is experiencing a genuine crisis. Were 49,000 of our children stricken with a disease, the state would act immediately. Homelessness produces immeasurable harm to children; it impacts their health, education and future stability as an adult.”) ß--good sign, use their own words against them!



Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report



3. 12,240 military veterans were homeless in Florida in 2009, ranking Florida second in the country for the number of homeless veterans.



Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report



4. There are more than 4000 homeless children in the ORANGE COUNTY public school system ALONE.

Source:

(Downloadable pdf from the ocps page) https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...lEl4tKv_A&sig2=2dv43IeyN0JLCr_x74xSVA&cad=rja

5. From 2008 to 2010, the population of homeless veterans in Orange, Osceola and Seminole counties nearly doubled — to 1,250.

(National studies show 21 percent of Iraq-Afghanistan vets are unemployed, nearly double the rate for the general population.)

(Only about 375 of them are able to find beds at a shelter)

Source:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...s-homeless-shelters-homeless-services-network



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...s-vets-homeless-services-network-library-card



6. The percentage of the homeless population in 2011 who are Black/African American is well above the percentage in the general population of the state. The homeless population is 39.4% Black/African American, compared to the 2000 Census figure of 14.6%.

Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report

7. The 2011 data reflects a high incidence of disabilities among the people who are homeless. For those interviewed, 44% reporting having a disabling condition.

Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report

8. The majority of people interviewed, 53%, reported that they were homeless for the very first time when counted in January 2011.

(The 2011 data on how long the person had been homeless when interviewed in January 2011 indicates that 42% had been homeless for less than 3 months. The short duration homeless is up from last year. However, those who have been homeless for longer than a year remains high, with nearly 35% of all homeless persons experiencing long-term episodes.)



Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report

9. Being homeless isn’t free: Costs money to stay in most Central Florida Homeless Shelters (2-10$)

Source:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...0831_1_shelter-residents-homeless-people-fees



10. Florida law mandates that publically funded arenas are to house the homeless on non-event days. (Orlando has paid a lil over 7,833,000$ to pro sports facilities)

Source:

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-b...lawmaker-stadium-owners-house-homeless-or-pay

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/01/2...ing-pro-sports-teams-make-legislative-rounds/



11. People have been arrested in Orlando for feeding the homeless, and on intent of feeding the homeless. There is a law preventing you from feeding more than 24 people at a time. (those charges may have been “dropped” but the people are STILL trespassed from lake eola, once again, for feeding the homeless)

Source: (like we need a source for this lol)



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...p-feedings-feedings-in-public-parks-ordinance





http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/525/73d/9ae/resized/philosoraptor-meme-generator-is-something-strange-going-on-or-is-it-just-me-c5cc03.jpg

It is illegal to sleep outside, but it costs money to stay in a shelter. It is illegal to panhandle, but it is also illegal for those with means to feed the hungry – why does our city not care about those in the most need?

 

[richard_daily]

civil rights, there are 2 million illegal aliens walking around the united states that have more civil rights than united states citizens!

No they don't... Stop lying.

 

[blunt_trauma]

the mention of homelessness brings an instant accusation of drunkenness. interesting, no?

assuming people who are homeless must be so because they are lazy, crazy and drunk is an easy way to convince ourselves that it could never happen to someone like me.

forgive my vanity link,
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=19628809

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

It is a great American custom, habit, tradition- called "we don't talk about that."

Suddenly, one day, all the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the newly released jailbirds, prostitutes,
underage homeless panhandlers, military vets, grocery cart haulers, a whole homeless family-

are gone. They disappeared. Where did they go? No one asks. No one talks about it.

Everyone just goes on with their stress filled lives, and they stick to socially acceptable subjects.

Why are the police so abusive and disrespectful? We don't talk about that.

 

[bg23]

: You do realize it is possible to have an educated conversation and maintain open dialogue without "mouthing off."

To further clarify as your alpha femaleness rambles on a thread they profess disinterest in. I am a she actually.

Once again your uneducated assumptions are not effective.

If this was in response to December you may have missed the fact that she was actually defending you.

Your ability to google images and splatter them all over your thread is a pretty useless skill you're putting so loudly on display. Your rant had a good point, but your presentation muddied up the message you were trying to send.

You're new here - if you want people to engage in constructive dialogue with you - which I assume you do, given you took the time and bother to start a thread on a public forum instead of writing in your little pink journal, it's probably a good idea not to start off by alienating everyone who responds to you.

 

[blunt_trauma]

If this was in response to December you may have missed the fact that she was actually defending you.

i think it was to wq, but he was being a bit dim in not quoting.

 

[bg23]

i think it was to wq, but he was being a bit dim in not quoting.

in that case, all loud yelling is justified.

but there are far too many unnecessary loud images in this thread.

also, i think it's a she - don't get confused, she'll yell at you too.

 

[bg23]

the mention of homelessness brings an instant accusation of drunkenness. interesting, no?

assuming people who are homeless must be so because they are lazy, crazy and drunk is an easy way to convince ourselves that it could never happen to someone like me.

forgive my vanity link,
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=19628809

the poverty line in the states is $10 000.

most folks don't realise how close millions of people are to being homeless.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Without backstory, this rant rates an 8.6 on the "what the blood claat" scale.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No the homeless man was NOT drunk. He was sitting quietly outside, there was no clear indication of intoxication. I spoke to this man for quite while 15 minute prior to his arrest. Before your insult to intelligent debate continues, Please allow me to provide you with proper information for debate.






Charges dropped against woman who claims police brutality
May 21, 2011|By Anika Myers Palm, Orlando Sentinel

A woman who was injured in a confrontation with an Orlando police officer will not face a felony charge in connection with the incident, her attorney confirmed this morning.

Lisa Wareham, 20, suffered broken teeth and a bruised arm as she was arrested by Officer Livio Beccaccio at the Orange County Public Library in February. She had been charged with battery on a law-enforcement officer, a felony, and a misdemeanor charge of resisting an officer without violence. Court records show that the state has declined to prosecute her.
( http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rutality-lisa-wareham-officer-livio-beccaccio )


911 call: Police action 'over the top
excessive' witness to altercation said
Daniel Daley Jr., 84, suffered a broken neck after a confrontation with an Orlando police officer.
September 21, 2010|By Bianca Prieto, Orlando Sentinel

Orlando police released a series of 911 calls Tuesday that chronicled the events before and after a weekend confrontation with police that left an octogenarian with a broken neck.

"An 86-year-old man is arguing about getting his car towed," one 911 caller said. "He touched the police officer and the young officer flips him through the air on his face."

( http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rlando-police-police-officer-police-brutality )


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._1_police-brutality-orlando-police-man-claims

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/video-sheds-light-on-orlando-police-brutality-case/nDrbm/










The Ugly Truth of Orlando the Beautiful



1. Florida has the THIRD largest homeless population in the United States, a population of almost 60,000 people.

(“Unfortunately, the count is most likely a gross underestimate of the actual number of Floridians without housing of their own. These numbers do not capture the ―invisible‖ homeless – those who are forced to share the housing of others. This is especially true for families with children who have lost their homes.”)

Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report



2.^^^^NOT INCLUDED in the above figure are over 49,000 school-aged children who were identified by the public school districts as being homeless during the 2009-2010 school year. (19% increase from from 2008-2009. Of those identified, 6,330 (13%) were "unaccompanied youth", defined as not being in the physical custody of a parent or guardian. The majority, 36,633 (75%) were reported as homeless and temporarily sharing the housing of other persons due to the loss of their housing or economic hardship. This category of homeless students was up 33% over the 2008-2009 school year.)



(Florida is experiencing a genuine crisis. Were 49,000 of our children stricken with a disease, the state would act immediately. Homelessness produces immeasurable harm to children; it impacts their health, education and future stability as an adult.”) ß--good sign, use their own words against them!



Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report



3. 12,240 military veterans were homeless in Florida in 2009, ranking Florida second in the country for the number of homeless veterans.



Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report



4. There are more than 4000 homeless children in the ORANGE COUNTY public school system ALONE.

Source:

(Downloadable pdf from the ocps page) https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...lEl4tKv_A&sig2=2dv43IeyN0JLCr_x74xSVA&cad=rja

5. From 2008 to 2010, the population of homeless veterans in Orange, Osceola and Seminole counties nearly doubled — to 1,250.

(National studies show 21 percent of Iraq-Afghanistan vets are unemployed, nearly double the rate for the general population.)

(Only about 375 of them are able to find beds at a shelter)

Source:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...s-homeless-shelters-homeless-services-network



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...s-vets-homeless-services-network-library-card



6. The percentage of the homeless population in 2011 who are Black/African American is well above the percentage in the general population of the state. The homeless population is 39.4% Black/African American, compared to the 2000 Census figure of 14.6%.

Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report

7. The 2011 data reflects a high incidence of disabilities among the people who are homeless. For those interviewed, 44% reporting having a disabling condition.

Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report

8. The majority of people interviewed, 53%, reported that they were homeless for the very first time when counted in January 2011.

(The 2011 data on how long the person had been homeless when interviewed in January 2011 indicates that 42% had been homeless for less than 3 months. The short duration homeless is up from last year. However, those who have been homeless for longer than a year remains high, with nearly 35% of all homeless persons experiencing long-term episodes.)



Source: Florida’s Council on Homelessness 2011 Report

9. Being homeless isn’t free: Costs money to stay in most Central Florida Homeless Shelters (2-10$)

Source:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...0831_1_shelter-residents-homeless-people-fees



10. Florida law mandates that publically funded arenas are to house the homeless on non-event days. (Orlando has paid a lil over 7,833,000$ to pro sports facilities)

Source:

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-b...lawmaker-stadium-owners-house-homeless-or-pay

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/01/2...ing-pro-sports-teams-make-legislative-rounds/



11. People have been arrested in Orlando for feeding the homeless, and on intent of feeding the homeless. There is a law preventing you from feeding more than 24 people at a time. (those charges may have been “dropped” but the people are STILL trespassed from lake eola, once again, for feeding the homeless)

Source: (like we need a source for this lol)



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...p-feedings-feedings-in-public-parks-ordinance





http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/525/73d/9ae/resized/philosoraptor-meme-generator-is-something-strange-going-on-or-is-it-just-me-c5cc03.jpg

It is illegal to sleep outside, but it costs money to stay in a shelter. It is illegal to panhandle, but it is also illegal for those with means to feed the hungry – why does our city not care about those in the most need?

Those things may have happened, but that doesn't mean "Willy" was in the right (and I'm not saying he was in the wrong). You're lucky you didn't get taken in for obstruction.

If this happened where I think it happened you should be able to get video to back up your story.