Does the birth control debate...

[Ishmael]

Who should pay? Isn't that kind the point of having any kind of insurance? I pay for female birth control now; they pay once my prostate gives up the ghost.

And given that the current Republican front runner is on record as saying use of birth control is a bad thing, and that states ought to have the right to ban its use, I don't see how its "availability is a non-issue." If GOP voters are going to vote in huge numbers for a sexist clown, don't say it's unfair when others point that out.

Never figured you for an idiot. Live and learn.

I guess you missed that part about conscious choice, idiot.

What a president, or potential president, believes is of no consequence asshole. We don't live in a dictatorship............yet. A president can no more do away with birth control, or abortion, than he/she can stop the rising of the sun. Further, idiot, the fate of the republic will not rise or fall on these issues, if issues they be. It's all manufactured for political purposes and you've fallen right into the trap. Idiot.

Divide et imperum

Ishmael

 

[ChinaBandit]

Well we're talking about private insurance here, not government insurance. Though Medicare does cover birth control pills.

But for argument's sake, instead of paying for her birth control you'd rather pay twenty times as much for her four pregnancies and the new family of six?

Thanks for pointing out that my private premium has no doubt increased due to this.

Your point about the increased cost/s associated with delivery is valid.

Since such a huge percentage of American childern are already in poverty (as compared to other developed nations) I would come off soundling like a dick advocating slashing existing programs to assist. However, I truly feel that way.

What ever happened to the sense of personal responsibility?

It's the same shit with Houston's death and why did people not intervene while she's boozing it up.

Personal responsibility, damn it people!

 

[TexasWife25]

Thanks for pointing out that my private premium has no doubt increased due to this.

Your point about the increased cost/s associated with delivery is valid.

Since such a huge percentage of American childern are already in poverty (as compared to other developed nations) I would come off soundling like a dick advocating slashing existing programs to assist. However, I truly feel that way.

What ever happened to the sense of personal responsibility?

It's the same shit with Houston's death and why did people not intervene while she's boozing it up.

Personal responsibility, damn it people!

Im going to get out of the way now and let the people who have never spoken to a doctor about the contraceptive pill, debate its merits.

 

[ChinaBandit]

I am all for the pill but grudge to pay for it.

However, I can't disagree with the logic that the delivery of an unwanted baby will only cost me much more money as his/her life progresses. One can't dismiss the real chance such a child will fail to become a productive member of our society.

Either way, we pay.

 

[blunt_trauma]

i'll say it.

the rest of the western world thinks you're fucking insane, suffering some bible induced retardation, with little or no respect for the rights of the individual (whilst screaming at the top of your lungs that you're the freest and the bestest).

but, as individuals, some of you are super neato cool

 

[mercury14]

What a president, or potential president, believes is of no consequence asshole. We don't live in a dictatorship............yet. A president can no more do away with birth control, or abortion, than he/she can stop the rising of the sun.

Marijuana and other drugs are illegal mostly because of the health risks they pose to individuals and society. Can not a similar law and argument be made banning birth control?

"Birth control pills empower people to be promiscuous. That spreads diseases. The health risks are the same as illegal drugs, therefore birth control pills (and IUDs, Norplant, the shot, and Vasectomies) should be illegal as well".

Sounds just as Constitutional as criminalizing pot.

 

[islandman]

I am all for the pill but grudge to pay for it.

However, I can't disagree with the logic that the delivery of an unwanted baby will only cost me much more money as his/her life progresses. One can't dismiss the real chance such a child will fail to become a productive member of our society.

Either way, we pay.

There's an asymmetrical relationship between paying for birth control and paying for a child's well-being till they're of age.

As prudent taxpayers I would think the debate would be a non-starter.

 

[mercury14]

I am all for the pill but grudge to pay for it.

However, I can't disagree with the logic that the delivery of an unwanted baby will only cost me much more money as his/her life progresses. One can't dismiss the real chance such a child will fail to become a productive member of our society.

Either way, we pay.

You're talking about families on Medicaid or ones with private insurance like the thread topic?

 

[ChinaBandit]

i'll say it.

the rest of the western world thinks you're fucking insane, suffering some bible induced retardation, with little or no respect for the rights of the individual (whilst screaming at the top of your lungs that you're the freest and the bestest).

but, as individuals, some of you are super neato cool

I understand the religious angle in the states but that's not my personal concern.

I just don't like to pay more-and-more in taxes only to end up with a shitty healthcare system like the NHS which may cost me my life.

 

[TexasWife25]

I am all for the pill but grudge to pay for it.

However, I can't disagree with the logic that the delivery of an unwanted baby will only cost me much more money as his/her life progresses. One can't dismiss the real chance such a child will fail to become a productive member of our society.

Either way, we pay.

Do you honestly want your employer to have the right to pick and choose which prescriptions they want to cover? What if they dont want to cover your pain meds for a back injury, or your blood pressure pills?

As a woman, I know,unlike apparently every man debating this issue, that the contraceptive does a lot more then prevent pregnancy.

Helps treat
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
Endometriosis
amenorrhea
Menstrual Cramps
Premenstrual Syndrome
Heavy Menstrual Periods
Acne

Helps prevent
Anemia
endometrial cancer
ovarian cancer
ovarian cysts

There was a young woman, who asked, and was denied, to testify before congress today. Her friend lost an ovary, because her student insurance didnt cover the pill and she developed ovarian cysts.

 

[mercury14]

I guess you missed that part about conscious choice, idiot.

The Catholic Church makes the issue of conscious choice absurd though. They teach that recreational sex even within marriage is wrong and sinful. The expectation for married couples who deeply love each other and are attracted to one another... to abstain while also not ever masturbating makes no sense. Saying that sex is a conscious choice and people should just say no even within marriage shows ignorance of so many things.

 

[Ishmael]

Thanks for pointing out that my private premium has no doubt increased due to this.

Your point about the increased cost/s associated with delivery is valid.

Since such a huge percentage of American childern are already in poverty (as compared to other developed nations) I would come off soundling like a dick advocating slashing existing programs to assist. However, I truly feel that way.

What ever happened to the sense of personal responsibility?

It's the same shit with Houston's death and why did people not intervene while she's boozing it up.

Personal responsibility, damn it people!

The overwhelming majority born out of wedlock. Most of the rest a result of broken marriages. Facts be damned I suppose.

The argument being fostered is that the general public should pay for insurance against bastards. Doesn't work, the pill was first issued in 1958 and we're now up to our ears in little bastards. Quite the contrary to the 'party' line, more pills, more bastards it seems. The statistics on little bastards are also quite clear, they either go to prison or under achieve.

Either you are in control of yourself or not. Can't have it both ways.

Ishmael

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

No debate exist. A few Neanderthals have spouted some nonsense to peals of laughter from the rest of the educated people.

 

[mercury14]

The argument being fostered is that the general public should pay for insurance against bastards. Doesn't work, the pill was first issued in 1958 and we're now up to our ears in little bastards. Quite the contrary to the 'party' line, more pills, more bastards it seems. The statistics on little bastards are also quite clear, they either go to prison or under achieve.

Now you're being intentionally stupid. The pill is almost 100% effective. The reason we have a lot of kids born out of wedlock isn't because they're being born to women using the pill.

 

[bg23]

I like how people have consistently ignored the point that birth control is prescribed for reasons other than birth control, frequently.

I have a condition called polycystic ovarian syndrome. It's a hormonal imbalance that results in heavy, painful periods as well as some major fertility issues. I take birth control to treat this.

So it's not just birth control. However, if it were, I would still support it being covered under healthcare.

Just as I would support treatments for STDs, pregnancy related medical services, and everything else that relates to sexual health. After all, you have a choice to not make babies, right? You have a choice to not get aids/herpes/gonorrhea - but they're still valid medical concerns deserving of care.

So why then are women's health issues being treated as less important here?

 

[blunt_trauma]

in the uk we pay a prescription cost. a few pounds every time we collect a script (unless we're kids, pensioners, unemployed or below a certain income).

but, regardless of income, prescriptions for contraception are free.

they literally give it away.

 

[bg23]

Do you honestly want your employer to have the right to pick and choose which prescriptions they want to cover? What if they dont want to cover your pain meds for a back injury, or your blood pressure pills?

As a woman, I know,unlike apparently every man debating this issue, that the contraceptive does a lot more then prevent pregnancy.

Helps treat
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
Endometriosis
amenorrhea
Menstrual Cramps
Premenstrual Syndrome
Heavy Menstrual Periods
Acne

Helps prevent
Anemia
endometrial cancer
ovarian cancer
ovarian cysts

There was a young woman, who asked, and was denied, to testify before congress today. Her friend lost an ovary, because her student insurance didnt cover the pill and she developed ovarian cysts.

This -- exactly.

 

[islandman]

Remember, kids, abstinence is the only foolproof method of birth control.

Perhaps for Vulcans and Ishmael.

 

[ChinaBandit]

I'm afraid my employer's insurance company already picks what medicines they won't cover.

How?

The coverage for psychiatric service is almost nill.

I pay 100% for Xanax, Seroquel and Lexapro. This is BlueCross and BlueShield too, not some unknown company.

Why should people with things such as anxiety disorder get screwed while women get the pill?

The whole point is someone is making these decisions by legislation or profit margin and it is not equitable.

 

[bg23]

I'm afraid my employer's insurance company already picks what medicines they won't cover.

How?

The coverage for psychiatric service is almost nill.

I pay 100% for Xanax, Seroquel and Lexapro. This is BlueCross and BlueShield too, not some unknown company.

Why should people with things such as anxiety diorder get screwed while women get the pill?

The whole point is someone is making these decisions by legislation or profit margin and it is not equitable.

I think that's BS, too. It's unfair, and it should be changed.

But something being unfair already in practice doesn't mean this other issue isn't unfair, too.

 

[mercury14]

in the uk we pay a prescription cost. a few pounds every time we collect a script (unless we're kids, pensioners, unemployed or below a certain income).

but, regardless of income, prescriptions for contraception are free.

they literally give it away.

That's what the US should do. And the idea would pay for itself.

Our problem is that our conservatives don't want people to get away with sex. If a dozen studies came out unanimously saying that universal sexual healthcare would save the country $50 billion dollars per year, conservatives would still block it.

 

[blunt_trauma]

That's what the US should do. And the idea would pay for itself.

Our problem is that our conservatives don't want people to get away with sex.

meh, we still have teen pregnancy issues, etc.
i said it more to illustrate the difference beween attitudes.
and the OP was asking if US attitudes looked whacko.

 

[Ishmael]

No debate exist. A few Neanderthals have spouted some nonsense to peals of laughter from the rest of the educated people.

The kid is right, you're full of shit.

Ishmael

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

The kid is right, you're full of shit.

Ishmael

Trolling me gramps?

Good luck with that

 

[mercury14]

I'm afraid my employer's insurance company already picks what medicines they won't cover.

How?

The coverage for psychiatric service is almost nill.

I pay 100% for Xanax, Seroquel and Lexapro. This is BlueCross and BlueShield too, not some unknown company.

Why should people with things such as anxiety disorder get screwed while women get the pill?

The whole point is someone is making these decisions by legislation or profit margin and it is not equitable.

I think that's BS, too. It's unfair, and it should be changed.

Ah yes, mental health parity. It was opposed by Republicans for 20 years (even in the face of overwhelming support from Americans!) but they were finally defeated. Obama's new health care law is fixing it. You still have 22 months though

Expansion of Mental Health Parity Under H.R. 3590

H.R. 3590, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, was signed into law on March 23, 2010. Under Section 1302 (b) of the Act, mental health coverage is considered an "essential health benefit." Insurance companies are required to provide coverage, and that coverage must be equal to coverage provided for any other medical condition. Mental health benefits, along with maternity benefits and other provisions that once required payment of additional expenses, are now a mandatory part of basic care. Additionally, certain psychotropic medications are required to be covered under insurance company formularies.

The new law does not take effect until 2014.