Anyone here believe America'd be doing better now, if McCain had won in 2008?

[mercury14]

Payroll unemployment going up 240 and saying 240k in jobs were added are two different things. Look it up or read the first two pages of this thread....

The first two pages of this thread have you puddling this false dumbfuckery:

1.2 million people just vanished form the workforce last month and are no longer considered as unemployed.

1.2 million people did not vanish from the workforce in a single month. That figure (which is 1.1 million) is the total number of people who have stopped looking for 4+ weeks. Many of them haven't been looking for several months. Not to mention anyone who stopped looking in January will not even be counted until the February report.

The only question now is whether you're lying or misinformed. Tell us which it is.

 

[mercury14]

ding ding....

Nope, you and Beco are morons who can't even read the BLS report I've repeatedly linked.

And what part of you thinks it's even possible for 1.2 million workers to be exiting the economy on a good month? Have you sat down and done the math on that? By now we'd have like 40 million people who have stopped looking and an unemployment rate near 60%.

 

[richard_daily]

Nope, you and Beco are morons who can't even read the BLS report I've repeatedly linked.

And what part of you thinks it's even possible for 1.2 million workers to be exiting the economy on a good month? Have you sat down and done the math on that?

The numbers have been given to them, and they have been ordered to repeat them.

That's the way the wingnut propaganda machine works.

Never mind if they're not true.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Does anyone here seriously believe that? Anybody? Why?

We would not have "ObamaCare."

That is reason enough for a different outcome in 2008.

 

[KingOrfeo]

We would not have "ObamaCare."

That is reason enough for a different outcome in 2008.

[shrug] I know Obama's health-care package ain't much, but it's way better than nothing.

 

[mercury14]

The numbers have been given to them, and they have been ordered to repeat them.

That's the way the wingnut propaganda machine works.

Never mind if they're not true.

The report also says there were 12 million unemployed people last month. Using Vatican and Beco's deceitful line of thinking there are 12 million new unemployed people as of January. That's exactly the lying spin they're putting on the discouraged worker figure.

Anyone can just eyeball these figures and know they can't possibly be true, but that doesn't stop them does it?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

The first two pages of this thread have you puddling this false dumbfuckery:


1.2 million people did not vanish from the workforce in a single month. That figure (which is 1.1 million) is the total number of people who have stopped looking for 4+ weeks. Many of them haven't been looking for several months. Not to mention anyone who stopped looking in January will not even be counted until the February report.

The only question now is whether you're lying or misinformed. Tell us which it is.

Wow....If you can not figure it out from the first two pages then there is just no hope for you. I will back away slowly from you ignorance now and hope it is not catching.

 

[richard_daily]

The report also says there were 12 million unemployed people last month. Using Vatican and Beco's deceitful line of thinking there are 12 million new unemployed people as of January. That's exactly the lying spin they're putting on the discouraged worker figure.

Anyone can just eyeball these figures and know they can't possibly be true, but that doesn't stop them does it?

See, you're making the mistake that they're doing any sort of math themselves... You can look at the drudge report in the morning, and know exactly what beco, vatass, and vetman will be saying in he afternoon.

 

[mercury14]

Wow....If you can not figure it out from the first two pages then there is just no hope for you. I will back away slowly from you ignorance now and hope it is not catching.

You'll flee this thread now because I busted you trying to pass of blatant lies as fact.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

See, you're making the mistake that they're doing any sort of math themselves... You can look at the drudge report in the morning, and know exactly what beco, vatass, and vetman will be saying in he afternoon.

I send you did not read the links or graphs I posted straight form the BLS....


It really is not the hard to comprehend guys. Try a little harder and I am sure you will get it.

 

[mercury14]

See, you're making the mistake that they're doing any sort of math themselves... You can look at the drudge report in the morning, and know exactly what beco, vatass, and vetman will be saying in he afternoon.

There's not even any need for math. They can jusy read the BLS report. It's only a couple pages written on a 5th grade reading level.

 

[mercury14]

I send you did not read the links or graphs I posted straight form the BLS....


It really is not the hard to comprehend guys. Try a little harder and I am sure you will get it.

You posted a broken link.

 

[ChinaBandit]

[shrug] I know Obama's health-care package ain't much, but it's way better than nothing.

The point is, I already had something.

Moreover, I don't personally feel the moral, or financial, obligation to ensure every American has access to health care. That may sound shallow but it's how I feel.

ObamaCare, at least, increases my financial mandate as a percentage of tax.

 

[mercury14]

No. A little over 1mill were removed from the "unemployed and looking category". So those people no longer count in the equation. We have more people labeled unemployed and not looking ( people who have just given up), then we have had in decades...

This is the exact ignorant crap I'm talking about. The BLS report says that there are currently 1.1 million discouraged workers, not that 1.1 million workers became discouraged during January.

Likewise it says there are 12.8 unemployed workers not that 12.8 million became unemployed during January.

Again, are you lying or passing on conservative lies that other people created?

 

[mercury14]

The point is, I already had something.

Moreover, I don't personally feel the moral, or financial, obligation to ensure every American has access to health care. That may sould shallow but it's how I feel.

ObamaCare, at least, increases my financial mandate as a percentage of tax.

Only if you make 250k per year or more bro. If you're part of the 96% you don't get hit with the extra Medicare tax.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Only if you make 250k per year or more bro. If you're part of the 96% you don't get hit with the extra Medicare tax.

My wife and I make more than $250K per year, and I hate the Medicare tax.

 

[mercury14]

My wife and I make more than $250K per year, and I hate the Medicare tax.

The price of living in a democracy then I guess?

 

[subtle_Dom]

So, your saying it isnt at a 3 year low?

yes and 3 years ago obama was president.. so he has made no progress... his stimulation package was a failure.. he has been a do nothing president from an economic standpoint..btw unemployment is a bogus stat since people who drop off the roles don't count and those who take part time count as employed.. many stopped looking for jobs..

 

[mercury14]

yes and 3 years ago obama was president.. so he has made no progress... his stimulation package was a failure.. he has been a do nothing president from an economic standpoint..btw unemployment is a bogus stat since people who drop off the roles don't count and those who take part time count as employed.. many stopped looking for jobs..

Read the BLS report. All these things you mentioned are tracked.

But gawd I love this kind of conservative who says that Obama has been a do-nothing president then turns around and says he did too much in their next breath.

The stimulus was only a failure to Republicans. In the eyes of every significant private sector analytic entity it was a success (Moody's Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Macroeconomic Advisors, IHS, Global Insight). The Fed and the CBO also came to the exact same conclusions as the private sector.

But you can ignore all the objective analysis in the world and stick to your Republican propaganda if you choose, right?

 

[ChinaBandit]

The price of living in a democracy then I guess?

If the economy continues to improve Obama will easily win a second term.

I am a Republican but this is the reality of the situation.

 

[SuprSalor]

I think the biggest difference would've been in jobs. While I wasn't a fan of McLame or his moronic VP pick, we'd still be drilling in the Gulf and the Keystone Pipeline project would be underway. Businesses hate stupid regulations and the current lack of hiring exhibits that.

There is more drilling in the Gulf of Mexico now than ever before. And it's not like the Keystone Pipeline is dead in the water..

 

[mercury14]

There is more drilling in the Gulf of Mexico now than ever before. And it's not like the Keystone Pipeline is dead in the water..

This is the lie from the right though. Obama stopped drilling in the Gulf or at least new drilling. Neither of which are true at all, other than a brief freeze on new drilling during the gulf oil leak.

 

[ChinaBandit]

We may, or may not, have had a different trajectory with the economy had McCain been elected in 2008.

I don't believe the Obama stimulus was that effectual. However, we seem to be trending in a more favorable direction. IF that holds up to pressures from Europe, etc.,

I think it's a mistake for the Republicans to define this election as a referendum on Obama himself.

The outcome will be decided by how good or bad the average, mainstream, voter feels the economy is doing in November.

 

[subtle_Dom]

Read the BLS report. All these things you mentioned are tracked.

But gawd I love this kind of conservative who says that Obama has been a do-nothing president then turns around and says he did too much in their next breath.

The stimulus was only a failure to Republicans. In the eyes of every significant private sector analytic entity it was a success (Moody's Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Macroeconomic Advisors, IHS, Global Insight). The Fed and the CBO also came to the exact same conclusions as the private sector.

But you can ignore all the objective analysis in the world and stick to your Republican propaganda if you choose, right?

wow you actually believe that? the stimulus was useless. The private sector and watchdogs say nothing of the kind..they show negligible immaterial impact from what was spent and questionable destinations of the funds..you must be kidding, and i never said he did too much... ok this is silly, lit and politics just don't mix but i thought the thread was a joke when i saw it. He has done nothing to help the economy.. the stimulus should have gone for infrastructure it was wasted and too little... label all you want, short sighted... this country has been in dire need of a dynamic leader for quite some time pre obama and is still looking...anyone who knows stats knows that unemployment is the most skewed stat out there, another 1.2M dropped out of the labor force now 5M since he began...please look past the partisan politics..I work in the financial sector and continue to see RIFs. that is the reality. ok i am done with this thread.. carry on but sex and politics are a bad mix lol

 

[mercury14]

wow you actually believe that? the stimulus was useless. The private sector and watchdogs say nothing of the kind..they show negligible immaterial impact from what was spent and questionable destinations of the funds..

It's not a matter of belief. You're the one who "believes". I think and I use objective analysis to back what I'm saying. I've already linked the assessment of the stimulus' impact from every one of the big private sector macroeconomic players, the Fed, and the CBO.

If I link them all again will you change your mind? *laughs* No, you'll stick with Fox News hype.

But don't just compare stimulus and no stimulus. Compare the stimulus with the Republican plan of 1) no stimulus, 2) passing their balanced budget amendment in the depth of the recession, sucking hundreds of billions out of the economy at a crucial moment, and laying off at least another million people. Their plan was far worse than doing nothing at all.