EStim?

[coachdb18]

Anybody do, or thought of doing EStim?

 

[FurryFury]

Yep. Can be fun.

 

[coachdb18]

So how does a guy figure out if this is something he'll like? Is this more pleasure, pain, or ...???

 

[Stella_Omega]

You ever hold your hands above a warming fire, you know how good that feels?

And you know that if you put your hands closer to the fire, it's going to start burning, get painful?

Estim is like that. You can use it for pleasure or pain. or both.

 

[FurryFury]

True and the way you figure it out is through experimentation.

So how does a guy figure out if this is something he'll like? Is this more pleasure, pain, or ...???

 

[PaulBlart]

I went to a professional dominatrix in Chicago who used this on me. Stella's analogy is spot on. It is an exquisite mixture of pleasure and pain. It seriously confused my brain. A true conundrum to feel compelled to beg for more and be temped to beg for mercy at the same time. I'll tell you that it made me a pliable subject. I would definitely try it again, but have never gotten the opportunity.

 

[DVS]

So how does a guy figure out if this is something he'll like? Is this more pleasure, pain, or ...???

It all depends on what kind of electrostimulation you are seeking. Certain body parts conduct electrical current better than others, just because of its texure. Skin that is out in the sunlight and weather on a normal basis, such as arms or legs, might not conduct electrical current well without some contact gel or electro lube.

Other parts of the body can be more conductive because the texture is not normally out in the sunlight or weather, such as that of a sexual organ or the inside of body orifices. Also, any area that is moist or wet, for whatever reason, will conduct better, because water and electrical current like each other.

There are also different methods of electrostimulation. The two most popular are a TENS unit and a violet wand. While a violet wand might be a little safer because it's static electricity, a TENS unit probably has more attachments made for it to give a ready made "Estim" experience.

None of the attachments will be very cheap. And not all TENS units are created equal, either. Some are pretty basic and some are very fancy. You can expect to pay around $100 for a basic TENS and several hundred bucks for a nice one that can create some very nice sensations.

It's difficult to explain the feeling. At low intensity, some call the sensation more of a tickle than anything. Some even relate it to something like a bunch of small insects crawling within the conducting area. The more intense the sensation, the tickle changes to something like multiple needles constantly sticking you. Some call a more intense sensation similar to a lot of bee stings.

Slowly, as the intensity gets higher, the little sensations tend to merge into one and you will feel heat as well as pain. At higher levels, the pain can be intense and care should be taken to not over do it. The more conductive the skin tissue is, the more susceptible it will be to water blisters, burning, etc. Going beyond the safe level of intensity or length of time with the stimulation can seriously damage the tissue.

There are safety issues to think about with electrical play. Know how current flows through the body and until you are properly educated with it, never, and I mean NEVER use the device above the waist. There are ways to play above the waist and there are products made for above the waist, but if you don't now what you're doing, even those products can kill you.

When you get any electrical current near the heart muscle, you can interrupt the small electrical signal it gets from the brain that causes it to beat. Of course, if you cause your heart to stop beating, that's a bad thing.

Be safe and know what you're doing. Electroplay of any type can be quite um...stimulating. But, you MUST know and follow the rules of electrical current and it's relationship with human body tissue.

 

[FurryFury]

I most enjoy big thumpy e stim.

*le sigh*

 

[DVS]

I most enjoy big thumpy e stim.

*le sigh*

Would you care to elaborate? Are you talking about a TENS set on pulse, and with contact patches stuck on your ...um ...stuck on your what?

 

[FurryFury]

Yes stuck to my back, neck and shoulders for therapeutic reasons. Such delicious thuddy stuff! YUMMY!

My dinky little EMS home unit doesn't deliver the same yummy thuddy kick to my more intimate bits. Though it can do a mild form of the therapy adequately that I mentioned above. No thud. *pout*

Violet wands can be painful, mildly interesting or tickle. Not really what I'm going for either. Though the show can be fun. All that beautiful lighted stuff is quite hot to play with in one's mind.

If only I could have tried the electric chair at that demo without the stupid "interrogation" part and without my husband freaking out.

Would you care to elaborate? Are you talking about a TENS set on pulse, and with contact patches stuck on your ...um ...stuck on your what?

 

[DVS]

Yes stuck to my back, neck and shoulders for therapeutic reasons. Such delicious thuddy stuff! YUMMY!

My dinky little EMS home unit doesn't deliver the same yummy thuddy kick to my more intimate bits. Though it can do a mild form of the therapy adequately that I mentioned above. No thud. *pout*

Violet wands can be painful, mildly interesting or tickle. Not really what I'm going for either. Though the show can be fun. All that beautiful lighted stuff is quite hot to play with in one's mind.

If only I could have tried the electric chair at that demo without the stupid "interrogation" part and without my husband freaking out.

Yes, not all TENS units are the same. That can sometimes confuse people, when they are looking for a deal on one.

Violet wands do centralize the current in a small spot, if you are using one of the globe attachments. But, if you want it spread out over a larger area you can get something metal, put it on the area in question and the wand's current will flow through the metal and spread out over a wider area. Yes, I know it's not easy to find something metal in a preferred shape. And, in your case, the thud effect isn't that easy with a wand. But, with the body attachment and some strips of Christmas tree tinsel formed into a sort of flogger, you can produce some interesting sensations. You don't have to use it as a flogger. Just hold it in your hand and run it over the naked body.

For a larger area of sensation, you can sometimes form aluminum foil over a vagina or wrap it around an erect cock. But, in many cases, unless you have something pressing against the foil, you don't have total contact, making the sensation difficult to control.

And playing with a wand and the large globe in total darkness is quite a visual thrill. The arcs inside the globe are quite nice to watch and that nasty little spark that jumps from globe to body is a lot more visible, in the dark.

Looking back at this post...I think I might have one reason why I can't find someone to play with. I'm creative, but I'm also an experimenter. And sadly, when it comes to electroplay, more than a few people are phobic.

 

[FurryFury]

I'm very fond of experimentation and that edge of fear. Even if it goes wrong it was worth the high of the risk for me, nearly always.

FF

 

[DVS]

I quoted your entire post because I think your overall message was spot on and very important. You are quite far off on some not so trivial details of anatomy though, and that might lead anyone who knows better to assume your overall message is equally misinformed.

I only studied the nervous system for 2 years, first as a part of physical psych, then as part of A&P.

The heart muscle is unique in that it does not gets it's message to beat from the brain; it has it's own on-board bundle of nerves that keeps pace. As a somewhat commonly known example; a shark's heart can beat for hours cut entirely from the fish's body. The brain regulates the body's activity & sends the heart a rhythm, essentially telling the heart to speed up or slow down.

More importantly, nerves do not carry electrical signals, but rather bio-chemical chain reactions which effect a binary message faster than electrical currents (which in turn is significantly close to the speed of light, not at it, and note that i did not say 'deliver' because there is no traveling involved). The bio-chemical change happens to produce an electrical pulse in the wake of the chain reaction (which if I recall correctly aids the nerve in resetting for the next signal) thus producing the body's magnetic field.

The bio-chemical reaction that causes nerves to fire and allows them to reset and fire again is indeed very sensitive to non-native electrical currents, which play havoc with the nervous system. That's not always a bad thing, but as DVS was trying to point out, even a small electrical current though the neighborhood of the heart can trigger muscles to fire in such a way that the nerve bundle that keeps the heart's pace can loose it's rhythm, which in turn can cause the heart beat erratically, to skip beats (minor heart attack) or even seize up briefly (major heart attack).

I think it was you who corrected another of my electrical posts a few years back. Then, I decided not to haggle with you, because anybody here doesn't care a lick about the technical aspects of how the body works, as much as they want to know what's safe and what isn't.

Yes, I had a brain fart and said that the heart "gets" it's command to beat from the brain. So, in that, you are correct. But, I've never been to medical school of any kind, so I haven't been briefed on the new data or terminology that may have changed. I've talked to some professionals and taken first aid classes where an AED is used to stimulate the heart muscle into beating again. I'm sure you know that an AED is basically a fancy TENS unit, and while it can start the heart beating again, it can also stop it from beating. All of my Red Cross classes as well as any reading material reference an electrical signal or impulse that causes the heart to beat. This impulse can be recorded with an electrocardiogram (ECG, or EKG).

I've had electrical and electronic training and know that electricians keep one arm away from their work when they are connecting certain power connections. This is to keep the current from flowing through their chest cavity, where their heart is. While a very high voltage is going to fry the heart, any house current is also going to interrupt the beating and maybe even damage the sinus node.

If you get too technical with some people, they tend to stop listening and then your point is lost in the confusion. If you get too technical, you start to talk above people's intelligence. That's not only rude, they don't understand what you've said. Sex isn't a college subject. Electroplay should be something anybody can enjoy, with a little basic knowledge about electricity. I'm more worried about those who will attempt it without any knowledge of it because they didn't understand my explanation.

While I have had training in some related areas, I don't have any formal medical training. I mostly learn from reading. I'm sorry, but your explanation of the nervous system only made me nervous and I knew what you were trying to say. But, I appreciate your correction.

 

[DVS]

It's been a pet peeve of mine since before I knew the answers.

Even in High school, when they glossed over the basics of the nervous system (which fascinated me even then) in sexual education classes by calling it an electrical system, and my first CPR courses (in boy scouts) pretty much did the same thing; it only raised many more questions for me than it answered.

Having a rudimentary understanding at the time of how electricity was generated and what stray current does to computers;

Why isn't any interaction with a magnet excruciatingly painful?

How is it possible that when receiving 'mild shocks', (which is a lot more electricity than we generate) people can still function just fine?

How is it possible for people to have wildly varying sensitivity to electricity (for instance, my brother can hold a horse fence that would knock me on my ass, and says it tickles)?

Why can't i power a clock by touching the leads; the same clock that runs off a potato?

If we're really an ultra low voltage system, why doesn't a 1000 volt, .0001 (?) amp static shock like we get from rubbing our socks on the floor have the same lethal potential on us as it does for a computer's mother board?

When I bothered to raise some of those questions (which I was generally too shy to) the response was "i don't know," or "this isn't really a biology class."


To me these always seemed like pretty elementary questions; the kind any inquiring mind might present. That school teachers would wave them off seemed like a betrayal, and yes I could have taken the extra effort to cross campus and ask an actual biology teacher, but I was not that kind of kid (how many people are?)

the less verbose version of my previous statement;

"the body is an electrically sensitive chemical system."

probably would have sufficed, both for me back then as well as for my post late last night.

I'm sorry to have droned on and on, which it seems i may have done again.

Of course you know that large voltage doesn't necessarily mean large current flow. and static electricity is the safest of any kind of juice. But the conducting area of a computer circuit board is impregnated silicone, and the voltage and current that flows through it is strictly controlled and very small. While the human body has a lot of mass and that equals resistance, the thin layer of a silicone circuit board is made for performance, and so it has nothing in the way of "fat" to absorb the excess voltage.

 

[DVS]

I guess it seems to me that knowing whats safe comes from learning how it works, so that you know for your self what the risks are, not parroting statistics and dumbed down versions, and worse yet articulations on those dumbed down versions which amount to superstition.



I would not be able to tell by the rest of your post.

It's the stealth in me.

 

[kiwi_submissive]

I prefer a violet wand (well depending on the attachment and where ) to a TENS Unit. I just love the pretty colours and the smell.

Also I get the fits on the giggles on TENS Units and I drop alot more afterwards.

 

[DVS]

I prefer a violent wand (well depending on the attachment and where ) to a TENS Unit. I just love the pretty colours and the smell.

Also I get the fits on the giggles on TENS Units and I drop alot more afterwards.

I have both, the TENS being for back pain, mostly. I prefer the wand for play, because it takes less time to set up and like you say, the pretty colors and smell. I love using it in a dark room. It's kind of like a light show and a 4th of July display at the same time (oh, sorry to those of you in the UK, when I mention the 4th of July...my bad). But, you can see the colors, the little sparks and of course the smell of ozone, too. And don't forget the interesting sound it makes.

 

[kiwi_submissive]

I have both, the TENS being for back pain, mostly. I prefer the wand for play, because it takes less time to set up and like you say, the pretty colors and smell. I love using it in a dark room. It's kind of like a light show and a 4th of July display at the same time (oh, sorry to those of you in the UK, when I mention the 4th of July...my bad). But, you can see the colors, the little sparks and of course the smell of ozone, too. And don't forget the interesting sound it makes.

I can't say that I have ever tried one out in a dark room. Might have to put that one on my list of things to do at some stage. I guess it's the same as you with finding people who are into electroplay or people that you actually trust with it.

Oh yes, the sound. It covers all the senses really.

 

[smallbreastman]

I can't say that I have ever tried one out in a dark room. Might have to put that one on my list of things to do at some stage. I guess it's the same as you with finding people who are into electroplay or people that you actually trust with it.

Oh yes, the sound. It covers all the senses really.

i use a tens machine. i swear its a fatastic feeling as you orgasm, it also produces quite a lot of cum from me. once you tried, you wont stop..

 

[coachdb18]

i use a tens machine. i swear its a fatastic feeling as you orgasm, it also produces quite a lot of cum from me. once you tried, you wont stop..

Don't have a TENS unit, but I did try a 9 volt battery, which I'm told wasn't the same (felt like ice picks inside my shaft), but am told the sensation is better when it's a controlled intensity! I know it feels really good to have the post alone w/o the stim, hoping to add some stim w/o hurting my self.

 

[thesweetsweetness]

Anybody do, or thought of doing EStim?

I have never done this, however after reading all the replies here and the descriptions of how it feels, I'm intrigued. I think I would like to experience this some time.

I have what might be silly questions though, sorry if they are. Are the sensations from the estim enough to climax from or is this done in addition to sexual play?

Also, it is possible to transfer the shock from one person to another? Like with an electric fence, when I held my friends hand and he touched the fence, I still felt the shock. So say I was having intercourse and received a shock, would it transfer to my hubby's penis? (I'm picturing him protectively covering his package just from reading this. lol I don't think this would be quite his cup of tea. Or maybe it would? I guess I'll find out.)

Oo.. I was just about to hit submit when I thought of another silly question. If you are using a battery operated vibe while doing this, is it possible for the current to travel through your body and fry the toy? What about a vibe that plugs into the wall? Would that somehow be more dangerous and cause the current from the wall to arch or jump or do bad things?

 

[coachdb18]

I have never done this, however after reading all the replies here and the descriptions of how it feels, I'm intrigued. I think I would like to experience this some time.

I have what might be silly questions though, sorry if they are. Are the sensations from the estim enough to climax from or is this done in addition to sexual play?

Also, it is possible to transfer the shock from one person to another? Like with an electric fence, when I held my friends hand and he touched the fence, I still felt the shock. So say I was having intercourse and received a shock, would it transfer to my hubby's penis? (I'm picturing him protectively covering his package just from reading this. lol I don't think this would be quite his cup of tea. Or maybe it would? I guess I'll find out.)

Oo.. I was just about to hit submit when I thought of another silly question. If you are using a battery operated vibe while doing this, is it possible for the current to travel through your body and fry the toy? What about a vibe that plugs into the wall? Would that somehow be more dangerous and cause the current from the wall to arch or jump or do bad things?

My first attempt was with two leads off a volt ohm meter, and a 9 volt battery. That sent a good charge through my shaft that hurt! I'm told being able to select the stimulus works a lot better toward the pleasure end. For me, having a penis plug in is an easy attachment. I asked and was told women usually use medical adhesive to fasten the leads onto the clit.

My experience was that the juice that hit me made me pre-cum hard. I was absolutley dripping. So doing this to a clit should really make you cum in orgasm after orgasm. Just guessing since I don't have a clit, but I've seen them often enough to think this would be a huge orgasm.

I love how you think, you have to let me know if you try this passing the current thing. That would be FUN! I can only imagine the feeling of having one lead on the cock, and the other on the clit, and feeling the charge as I slid in and out, with the current passing on all that stroked genitalia. HOT

As far as frying toys, I don't think a battery is powerful enough to damage the toys, but could probably leave a mark on both cocks and pussys.

Leaving you a PM to discuss this further, you got me very interested in the possibilities.

 

[kiwi_submissive]

As with everything else Safety First. I would not recommend playing with electricity on your own in case something goes wrong. Yes it can happen.

I would also never play with someone who is not experienced in it. I know that there can be risks involved but I like to try and lessen those as much as possible.

Please read up as much as you can about it and if you really are interested, take time to find people in RL who have done this and can help you out. It is not like having your hair pulled or having clothes pins attached to your nipples.