It is time to revisit Marxism.

[torchthebitch]

The bit about the history of all hitherto exsisting societies being the history of class struggle has just been given a major boost by the realisation of the middle classes that they have been royally screwed by the handful of oligarchs who circulate from boardroom to board room.

Further, since the internet and automation are eradicating so many jobs it is time to reassess the ownership of the means of production and the model of personal taxation being the means of financing government.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Are you writing a manifesto?

Woof!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

They tried it thruout the world and it hasnt worked out well. The Marxist elites keep all the wealth the proletariats create. You just cant change human nature!

 

[Lord_of_Farts]

The bit about the history of all hitherto exsisting societies being the history of class struggle has just been given a major boost by the realisation of the middle classes that they have been royally screwed by the handful of oligarchs who circulate from boardroom to board room.

Further, since the internet and automation are eradicating so many jobs it is time to reassess the ownership of the means of production and the model of personal taxation being the means of financing government.

Shaddup already. No really, shaddup.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Step one is clearly making damn sure that we get rid of Marx entirely. I mean like go find where he was buried, cremate him and shoot them straight to the fifty first state. THE MOON.

 

[torchthebitch]

The manifesto is written. It just needs reassesed in the light of technology. The problem is living meaningfully in the absence of full empolyment.

 

[pointless]

alienation, bitches.

 

[torchthebitch]

They tried it thruout the world and it hasnt worked out well. The Marxist elites keep all the wealth the proletariats create. You just cant change human nature!

Hence this -

the realisation of the middle classes that they have been royally screwed by the handful of oligarchs who circulate from boardroom to boardroom.

A new model is needed.

 

[Lord_of_Farts]

The manifesto is written. It just needs reassesed in the light of technology. The problem is living meaningfully in the absence of full empolyment.

What part of Shaddup did you fail to understand peabrain?

 

[Sean Renaud]

The manifesto is written. It just needs reassesed in the light of technology. The problem is living meaningfully in the absence of full empolyment.

It's needs quite a bit more than that. Though I'm not sure living meaningfully has any real purpose in that. We just need to figure out how to distribute shit and the move all the numbers around until we have something that makes sense.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I agree. if you read Marx with an eye towards running an effective market capitalism in a democratic republic - it reads very well and provides a lot of good policy insights.

For example - Marx discusses class in terms of relations to production and the fundamental class processes, and not in terms of wealth and income. The US can use more policy based on this notion of class and not on income inequity.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Hence this -


A new model is needed.

A new species of hominids is needed. A species that cant eat your lunch and call it altruism.

 

[torchthebitch]

I agree. if you read Marx with an eye towards running an effective market capitalism in a democratic republic - it reads very well and provides a lot of good policy insights.

For example - Marx discusses class in terms of relations to production and the fundamental class processes, and not in terms of wealth and income. The US can use more policy based on this notion of class and not on income inequity.

You show signs of an open mind. You will probably be culled.

 

[torchthebitch]

A new species of hominids is needed. A species that cant eat your lunch and call it altruism.

It is doubtful that they would be hominids.

 

[KingOrfeo]

What part of Shaddup did you fail to understand peabrain?

Kill yourself.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wow. That was nasty of the King. Usually you are much more benevolent.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

You show signs of an open mind. You will probably be culled.

Only if Gingrich gets elected.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If Gingrich gets elected a lot of us will be culled.

And sent to the moon!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Wow. That was nasty of the King. Usually you are much more benevolent.

Sorry. Hard day at work. Much killing. Must hire a headsman, this week, my arms are sore. Gotta learn to delegate.

 

[RightField]

It's amazing in this day and age that someone, anyone, can mention marxism/communism in any kind of positive light given the long history of misery that is associated with it.

 

[eyer]

The bit about the history of all hitherto exsisting societies being the history of class struggle has just been given a major boost by the realisation of the middle classes that they have been royally screwed by the handful of oligarchs who circulate from boardroom to board room.

Further, since the internet and automation are eradicating so many jobs it is time to reassess the ownership of the means of production and the model of personal taxation being the means of financing government.

Reads like you're anxious to lead the socialist charge, 'bitch...

UN panel says retool world economy for sustainability

The world can no longer afford to ignore the environmental cost of economic growth and must redefine the very concept of national wealth, a UN panel of heads of state and environment ministers said Monday.

"We need to chart a new, more sustainable course for the future, one that strengthens equality and economic growth while protecting our planet," UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said in Addis Ababa to mark the release of the panel's report, which outlines more than 50 policy recommendations.

http://news.yahoo.com/un-panel-says-retool-world-economy-sustainability-164515165.html

...if so, I do look forward to seeing the whites of your eyes.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Further, since the internet and automation are eradicating so many jobs it is time to reassess the ownership of the means of production and the model of personal taxation being the means of financing government.

Well, OK, but, then, who's gonna own and run the means of production? The state doing that has been tried, sometimes it works well enough depending on the sector of the economy, but state-planning the whole economy never seems to make it thrive. If not the state, then who?

 

[ChinaBandit]

If you read Marx, the premise behind everything he writes has to do with man's dialectical relationship to nature. His concepts of alienation, objectification and appropriation of the human species.

The works are written though mostly from the perspective of labor. It's an unnatural bias that scholars find heaps of fault with.

His overall theme from an economic perspective is that capitalism is transitory, to be supplanted by social revolution and equalization of labor, time and resources. What bullshit! I don't see anything transitory about capitalism.

 

[KingOrfeo]

And why does Marx never make any attempt to fully describe the workings of a socialist/communist economy and society? It always seems to be assumed the proper socialist organization of society will simply emerge, or seem obvious in its details, once society "bursts the capitalist integument."

 

[ChinaBandit]

Further, since the internet and automation are eradicating so many jobs it is time to reassess the ownership of the means of production and the model of personal taxation being the means of financing government.

The premise that the internet, automation and technology eliminate jobs is bogus. In fact, the exact opposite has transpired. Have you not heard of the IT industry? Moreover, globally more people than ever before are engaged in production, hence employed. The point being that globalization naturally strengthens capitalism and capitalistic enterprise, not the converse.

What you are actually bitching about is the success of capitalism in finding surplus, thus less expensive, labor.

Capitalism has never worked better!

The solution is what it always has been. To wit, the worker needs to upgrade his/her skills to create more value for their own, individual, labor. It's not change by revolution or changing ownership of production from A to B. A and B are only interchangeable.