Japanese holdings of U.S. Government debt tops $1 Trillion, 2nd to China.

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(CNSNews.com) - Japanese holdings of U.S. government debt have topped $1 trillion dollars for the first time, according to data released this week by the U.S. Treasury Department.

Entities in Japan held $1.0389 trillion in U.S. Treasury securities as of the end of November, according to the Treasury. That was up from the $979 billion in U.S. Treasury securities that the Japanese held at the end of October.

China is now the only nation other than Japan where entities hold more than $1 trillion in U.S. government debt. As of the end of November, according to the latest Treasury data, the Chinese held $1.1326 trillion in U.S. Treasury securities. That was down from the $1.1341 trillion in U.S. Treasury securities the Chinese held at the end of October.

As little as a decade ago--at the end of November 2001--the Japanese held only $315.4 billion in U.S. government debt, according to historical Treasury Department data. At that time, Japan was the No. 1 foreign owner of U.S. debt, exceeding Mainland China, which then was the No. 2 holder of U.S. government debt with only $77.9 billion in holdings.

Individually, both the Japanese and the Chinese now own more U.S. government debt than all foreign entities combined did a decade ago.

In fact, over the past decade, overall foreign ownership of U.S. debt has skyrocketed from $1.0363 trillion as of the end of November 2001 to $4.7509 trillion as of the end of November 2011. That is an increase of $3.7146 trillion--or 279 percent.

Between January 2009, when Barack Obama became the U.S. president, and the end of November 2011, Japanese holdings of U.S. debt climbed 63.7 percent, rising from $634.8 billion to $1.0389 trillion. During the same period, Chinese holdings of U.S. debt climbed $739.6 billion to $1.1326, an increase of 53.1 percent.

While Japanese holdings of U.S. Treasury securities have climbed rather steadily over the past three years, Chinese holdings actually peaked at $1.1753 in October 2010 and declined in 8 of the 13 months between then and November 2011.

In recent times, the Chinese have dramatically decreased their holdings U.S. Treasury bills, which are short-term debt instruments that mature in one year or less. Chinese ownership of T-bills peaked at $210.407 billion at the end of May 2009 and dropped to $2.336 billion by the end of November 2011. That represents a 99 percent (98.88) decline in Chinese ownership of T-bills.

As of the end of November, according to the Treasury, the average interest rate on T-bills was only 0.076 percent compared to an average interest rate of 5.691 percent on long-term Treasury bonds.

As of the end of November, there was only one entity that owned more U.S. debt than either the Chinese or the Japanese. That was the Federal Reserve. According to the Federal Reserve’s January 2012 monthly report, it owned $1.672 trillion in U.S. government debt as of the end of November, making it the single largest holder of U.S. government debt.

The combined total of the U.S. government debt owned either by the Federal Reserve or by foreign interests was $6.4229 trillion at the end of November, according to the Treasury data. That equaled 61.8 percent of all U.S. government debt held by the public, which was $10.3899 trillion as of the end of November.

As of that time, the so-called “intra-governmental debt”---money that the Treasury has borrowed out of government trust funds such as the Social Security trust fund---equaled $4.7205 trillion.

The total U.S. government debt, including both debt held by the public and intra-governmental debt, was $15.11049 trillion at the end of November. As of the close of business on Jan. 18, it stood at $15.23627 trillion.
 
The total U.S. government debt, including both debt held by the public and intra-governmental debt, was $15.11049 trillion at the end of November. As of the close of business on Jan. 18, it stood at $15.23627 trillion.

The numbers involved here seem astronomical but I work out the debt per person to be about $48,800 which seems much less insane.

At least there is diversity in the holders of debt overall though China and Japan are major players. If they start selling at those marginal rates they will take a beating if it causes the US$ to slump.

You wonder how it ever got this way.

Edit to correct original calculation of debt per capita.
 
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Actually it is insane when you understand that profits are generally made from string saved and cups of coffee sold.

The Japs and Chinks use their dollars to buy stocks in American companies, or real estate; that is we sell them America to keep GM building Volts.
 
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China is now the only nation other than Japan where entities hold more than $1 trillion in U.S. government debt.
Perspective and correction please: The only foreign nation. Entities in the US holds much more. And of those, entities within the US government itself - the federal reserve and social security pansion funds - hold the most. By far.

People tend to forget that and go into ZOMG China ownz us!!1 mode with regular intervals. When the fact of the matter is that you could actually sack the SS funds and print some more monies, and clear all foreign debt in a jiffy, if it was all that important. It isn't.
 
Actually it is insane when you understand that profits are generally made from string saved and cups of coffee sold.

The Japs and Chinks use their dollars to buy stocks in American companies, or real estate; that is we sell them America to keep GM building Volts.

Unfortunately "sane" is a relative term in this context. I personally get lost in very high numbers and like to translate it into something like debt per capita or debt per household. I find it more meaningful as relates the situation more accurately to real, living people.

There are various ways this could be done. Debt per actual taxpayer might be useful.

I think most people rarely deal with numbers over 100 in their everyday lives.
 
Unfortunately "sane" is a relative term in this context. I personally get lost in very high numbers and like to translate it into something like debt per capita or debt per household. I find it more meaningful as relates the situation more accurately to real, living people.

There are various ways this could be done. Debt per actual taxpayer might be useful.

I think most people rarely deal with numbers over 100 in their everyday lives.

Sane isnt a relative term. Its meaning isnt negotiable or obscure or ambiguous. Insanity always takes the form of endowing every option with the same amount of value and respect so that fresh hot turds appear on the menu with the mac & cheese.
 
The numbers involved here seem astronomical but I work out the debt per person to be about $48,800 which seems much less insane.

At least there is diversity in the holders of debt overall though China and Japan are major players. If they start selling at those marginal rates they will take a beating if it causes the US$ to slump.

You wonder how it ever got this way.

Edit to correct original calculation of debt per capita.

U.S. Debt Clock

$1,038,764 per person once unfunded liabilities are added in.

$246,835 assets per person

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
 
Perspective and correction please: The only foreign nation. Entities in the US holds much more. And of those, entities within the US government itself - the federal reserve and social security pansion funds - hold the most. By far.

People tend to forget that and go into ZOMG China ownz us!!1 mode with regular intervals. When the fact of the matter is that you could actually sack the SS funds and print some more monies, and clear all foreign debt in a jiffy, if it was all that important. It isn't.

The debt is 100+% of GDP and growing; President Obama is about to ask for the debt to go to $16,000,000,000,000.00...

It is of great comfort to know that that is just money we owe to ourselves.

It is of even greater comfort to see the hostility and antipathy with which this government holds towards Capitalism.

Very comforting...

Indeed.

:eek:
 
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The debt is 100+% of GDP and growing; President Obama is about to ask for the debt to go to $16,000,000,000,000.00...

It is of great comfort to know that that is just money we owe to ourselves.

It is of even greater comfort to see the hostility and antipathy with which this government holds towards Capitalism.

Very comforting...

Indeed.

:eek:

I see no hostility and antipathy to Capitalism. I see a centrist US Obama government, which is why Republican presidential candidates are having to rival themselves in seeming extremity to make themselves seem different.

These public debts largely become a problem only when the holders of the debts view them as a problem, it's a question of confidence - which ups the price - not the size of the debt, which is just a populist fear.

To me we're still working through the fact that bankers know they themselves are crooks...but once they realize that other bankers might be as crooked as them, then they stop lending to or borrowing from them...then the system gets paralyzed...

Incidentally, isn't it odd how everyone agrees that 'Capitalism' is a good description of the prevailing economic system. it's a rather obscure way of defining what goes on - derived from Karl Marx, isn't it? :)

Patrick
 
Sane isnt a relative term. Its meaning isnt negotiable or obscure or ambiguous. Insanity always takes the form of endowing every option with the same amount of value and respect so that fresh hot turds appear on the menu with the mac & cheese.

:D I see your point. "Sane" may not be the perfect term to use here but I could not think of anything better.

My problem is that the number involved are astronomical and therefore somewhat abstract as no one has any grasp as to what they actually mean. If you can condense the numbers to human scale (i.e. related to X per capita, per household, per taxpayer etc.) it allows a person to assess the situation as it actually relates to themselves as individuals.

The fact that such high debt levels have been achieved and continue to grow mat be a little depressing but it should presented in a digestible form.
 
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