Marine vet goes around killing homeless people. Republicans cheer.

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http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutors-veteran-killed-homeless-thrill-195923650.html

Prosecutors say veteran killed homeless for thrill
By AMY TAXIN | Associated Press – 31 mins ago

SANTA ANA, California (AP) — An Iraq war veteran charged with stabbing to death four homeless men in Southern California was a thrill seeker who took pleasure in killing his victims, prosecutors said Wednesday.

Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas told reporters outside a jailhouse courtroom that 23-year-old suspect Itzcoatl Ocampo appeared lucid, calm and intelligent and showed no signs of mental illness.

"He gets a thrill out of it," Rackauckas said. "This is a serious, vicious killer who went out there intentionally going about killing people and terrorizing a whole area."

Ocampo made his first court appearance Wednesday morning wearing an orange jail jumpsuit. The slender former Marine shifted his eyes back and forth as the judge discussed plans to delay his arraignment until Feb. 17 at the request of Ocampo's attorney.

After the brief hearing, defense attorney Randall Longwith declined to comment on the allegations and said his main concern was gaining access to Ocampo, who was being held in a medical ward and denied visitors.

Longwith said he obtained a court order on Tuesday to be able to see his client briefly and spoke with him through a food slot in his jail cell while Ocampo was wearing only underwear and wrapped in a blanket designed to prevent him from hurting himself.

"We're just concerned that he hasn't really had access to an attorney or to anyone at this point," Longwith told reporters. "He seems very scared."

Ocampo was arrested Friday night when bystanders chased him down after a man was stabbed to death outside a fast-food restaurant in Anaheim, about 26 miles (42 kilometers) southeast of Los Angeles. He was caught with blood on his hands and face, authorities said.

Ocampo was charged Tuesday with four counts of murder and special allegations of multiple murders and lying in wait and use of a deadly weapon. Three victims were stabbed more than 40 times each with a single-edged blade at least 7-inches (17-centimeters) long, authorities said.

If convicted, he faces a minimum sentence of life in prison without parole. Authorities have not decided whether to seek the death penalty.

Ocampo will be given a psychological evaluation and is being held in isolation and monitored around the clock to prevent him from hurting himself or being harmed by other inmates, said Jim Amormino, a spokesman for the county sheriff's department.

The killing spree began in December and prompted police to fan out across the county known as the home to Disneyland and multimillion-dollar beachfront homes to urge the homeless to sleep in groups or in one of two wintertime shelters.

Police allege that Ocampo would stalk each of his victims, then stab them repeatedly with a knife that could cut through bone. He selected his last victim, 64-year-old John Berry, after he was featured in a Los Angeles Times story about the killing spree, prosecutors said.

Berry filed a police report the day before he died, saying he feared he was being stalked, but officers didn't have a chance to follow up amid a flood of nearly 600 leads and tips.

"It is unfortunate that we didn't get to him before the suspect did," Anaheim Police Chief John Welter said.

Ocampo's family said the 23-year-old was a troubled man after he returned from Iraq in 2008.

A neighbor who is a Vietnam veteran and Ocampo's father both tried to push him to get treatment at a veterans' hospital, but he refused. His father, Refugio Ocampo, said, his son came back from his deployment a changed man.

He said his son expressed disillusionment and became ever darker as he struggled to find his way. After Ocampo was discharged in 2010 and returned home, his parents separated.

The same month, one of his friends, a corporal, was killed during combat in Afghanistan. His brother said Ocampo visited his friend's grave twice a week.

Like the men Ocampo is accused of preying on, his father is homeless. His father lost his job and ended up living under a bridge before finding shelter in the cab of a broken-down big-rig he is helping to repair.

Days before his arrest, Ocampo visited his father, warning him of the danger of being homeless. He showed him a picture of one of the slain men, his father said. "He was very worried about me," his father said. "I told him, 'Don't worry. I'm a survivor. Nothing will happen to me.'"
 
I am a republican.. and I would never cheer for their deaths.. that is just sick.. I don't think homeless people are below me.. or deserve that death..
 
LJ.....on a scale of 1 to 10 - one being "not" and ten being "very" - how important is it for citizens to obey the law?
 
Could someone please highlight the bit in that article that says 'republicans cheer'?
:rolleyes:
 
From the lips of sheep led to the slaughter....take a history class you tool.

Why? If you know something is wrong.. and you willingly do it.. knowing you could get caught and into trouble.. isn't that your own fault if you do get caught.. whether they government laws,local laws.. or rules place on you by parents?
 
Why? If you know something is wrong.. and you willingly do it.. knowing you could get caught and into trouble.. isn't that your own fault if you do get caught.. whether they government laws,local laws.. or rules place on you by parents?

True...but right and wrong has nothing to do with legality. Even in biblical terms..."Thou shall not rape women and children" is not in the 10 commandments... doesn't make it ok. Rounding up Jews into death camps was legal... doesn't make it ok.
 
It's an interesting case, like a novel or a movie. Apparently the suspect's father is homeless.

I really like the name Itzcoatl Ocampo, a beautiful Mexican name. Too bad it belongs to a serial killer.
 
True...but right and wrong has nothing to do with legality. Even in biblical terms..."Thou shall not rape women and children" is not in the 10 commandments... doesn't make it ok. Rounding up Jews into death camps was legal... doesn't make it ok.

Morality doesn't really enter into the equation, I don't think, when it comes to obeying the law. He's right. You do something knowing what the consequences are if you get caught. I do illegal shit all the time- and some of it I fully, morally support- but it's because of that support rather then in spite of it that I am willing to take the punishment that "the man" has decided to thrust upon me.

I need a crucifix. It is the prop for martyrs.
 
Morality doesn't really enter into the equation, I don't think, when it comes to obeying the law. He's right. You do something knowing what the consequences are if you get caught. I do illegal shit all the time- and some of it I fully, morally support- but it's because of that support rather then in spite of it that I am willing to take the punishment that "the man" has decided to thrust upon me.

I need a crucifix. It is the prop for martyrs.

what. the. fuck. did. you. just. say. yes. i typed. all. those. words. with. . . because. i don't. know. what. you. just. said.
 
what. the. fuck. did. you. just. say. yes. i typed. all. those. words. with. . . because. i don't. know. what. you. just. said.

It was really just directed at the two of them.

I agree that you should be willing to take the legal punishment for a crime. Part of the reasoning behind that is that it forces people to realize that certain "crimes" are stupid. For example: The three-strike drug laws are costing this country a fortune, and eventually, they're gonna get tired of spending that money for no reason.
 
You could be giving them too much credit

It was really just directed at the two of them.

I agree that you should be willing to take the legal punishment for a crime. Part of the reasoning behind that is that it forces people to realize that certain "crimes" are stupid. For example: The three-strike drug laws are costing this country a fortune, and eventually, they're gonna get tired of spending that money for no reason.

It is easier to enforce laws against people who have no desire to hurt you. Cops love to stop a teenager and take the car because he had twenty dollars worth of pot. The kids dad hires a lawyer to defend his kid, the lawyer loves that. The judge hands out an unreasonable long sentence because of mandatory sentencing laws. He gets support from the privately owned prison to help in his next election. The police get to keep the car, and in the case of growing pot they can take your house.

Why should cops be forced to confront a real criminal, somebody who might resist or fight back, when they can be heroes and make more money by arresting regular people who will use the system to defend themselves, where all the odds are stacked against them. A real outlaw would take a shot at fighting back with a weapon that might really give them a fighting chance, like a loaded gun. Real outlaws are dangerous while innocent kids are an easier target.

The fat cats make a profit every time A kid is chewed up by the system. I hold no respect for the law or those who enforce it.
 
Morality doesn't really enter into the equation, I don't think, when it comes to obeying the law. He's right. You do something knowing what the consequences are if you get caught. I do illegal shit all the time- and some of it I fully, morally support- but it's because of that support rather then in spite of it that I am willing to take the punishment that "the man" has decided to thrust upon me.

I need a crucifix. It is the prop for martyrs.
You probably get off by being spanked.
 
Still waiting for your answer, LJ_Reloaded: On a scale of 1 to 10 - one being "not" and ten being "very" - how important is it for citizens to obey the law?
 
Still waiting for your answer, LJ_Reloaded: On a scale of 1 to 10 - one being "not" and ten being "very" - how important is it for citizens to obey the law?

You should probably quantify the word citizen for him. His past post suggest he probably does not think of women as proper "citizens".
 
You should probably quantify the word citizen for him. His past post suggest he probably does not think of women as proper "citizens".

*sigh*

Still waiting for your answer, LJ_Reloaded: On a scale of 1 to 10 - one being "not" and ten being "very" - how important is it for PEOPLE to obey the law?

You needn't answer "1" or "10" - just ballpark it.
 
It seems to me that this is a case of PTSD, undiagnosed and untreated. He was sick. It's debatable whether he understood what he did was wrong. Doctors will have to determine that. What he did is horrible. I have to ask, why did someone who served his country not get the help he needed?

It's sickening to take such a tragic event and use it to make a political 'joke'. Nobody is cheering. You need help.
 
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