Say WHAT???????????

[Ishmael]

The state legislature is back in session and one of the bills coming up for consideration has to do with education.

The governor has proposed a bill that would require that any child that can't read by the 3rd grade be held back. The democrats are saying, "Fine, hold them back...........but only if you get the parents permission".

For the life of me I can't fathom where the dems are coming from on this, can you?

Ishmael

 

[Sean]

Gotta link?

 

[Ishmael]

You have all the information you need to look it up yourself sean.

Ishmael

 

[Sean]

You have all the information you need to look it up yourself sean.

Ishmael

You assume I care. See, the world has moved on since Lit took your word for anything. Nowadays, we just assume you're full of shit.

 

[TexasWife25]

Not quite how you put it.

Its a bill that says if a student doesn't pass the states standardized test at the end of the 3rd grade, with a reading level of a third grader or higher, then they will be held back.

Last time I was in school, there was more you had to do to fail a grade then not pass 1 test.

What if the child had a bad day?
Or had a 2nd grade reading level but excelled at every other part of the test?

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19728937

 

[Ishmael]

Not quite how you put it.

Its a bill that says if a student doesn't pass the states standardized test at the end of the 3rd grade, with a reading level of a third grader or higher, then they will be held back.

Last time I was in school, there was more you had to do to fail a grade then not pass 1 test.

What if the child had a bad day?
Or had a 2nd grade reading level but excelled at every other part of the test?

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19728937

Alright, you filled in some of the details (and congratulations for actually looking it up).

But you missed the salient detail, the requirement for the parent or guardian to assent to the retention.

Ishmael

 

[TexasWife25]

Alright, you filled in some of the details (and congratulations for actually looking it up).

But you missed the salient detail, the requirement for the parent or guardian to assent to the retention.

Ishmael

I agree with that detail
I think that's a good idea.

It allows for parents and teachers to sit down and discuss the individual child.
That way the teachers can give their opinion on if they believe a child should be
held back for not passing that 1 test.

Yes, I guess you could make the argument that parents dont have to listen
to the teachers, and can simply refuse to allow their child to be held back.

I don't think many people will go against the teachers recommendation.
At the very least, its a heads up to parents/teachers that their child may be falling behind
so that they can work with their child, where needed.

Please remember we are talking about 8 year olds

 

[Bidin~Time]

You don't agree that the parents should be consulted?

 

[Ishmael]

I agree with that detail
I think that's a good idea.

It allows for parents and teachers to sit down and discuss the individual child.
That way the teachers can give their opinion on if they believe a child should be
held back for not passing that 1 test.

Yes, I guess you could make the argument that parents dont have to listen
to the teachers, and can simply refuse to allow their child to be held back.

I don't think many people will go against the teachers recommendation.
At the very least, its a heads up to parents/teachers that their child may be falling behind
so that they can work with their child, where needed.

Please remember we are talking about 8 year olds

First of all many parents don't agree with the teachers when it comes to their children. Quite frankly a child that can't read by the third grade is most likely NOT coming from a home that puts a premium on learning. That being the case the parent is more likely than not to blame the teacher.

The problem is simple, who should have the last word on whether the child is capable of advancing or not? The parent or the teacher?

Age is not a overriding factor here. Most children are capable of rudimentary reading at the age of four. Biblically speaking the age of reason is 7. To start using age as an excuse would, to one extent or another, be to say that the human race is regressing as far as mental capacity is concerned. I don't subscribe to that notion.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

You don't agree that the parents should be consulted?

Consultation is NOT the issue, final decision is. Quite frankly I would hope that the parents would have been consulted at the beginning of the grade if there was a perception on the teachers part that there was an issue.

Ishmael

 

[Sean]

Ish is getting feisty again now his whelp is back on the scene.

Can anyone link me a non or at least less biased account?

 

[Sean]

Consultation is NOT the issue, final decision is. Quite frankly I would hope that the parents would have been consulted at the beginning of the grade if there was a perception on the teachers part that there was an issue.

Ishmael

According to your OP, consultation is EXACTLY the issue. Do try and keep up.

 

[Aquagal]

You'd think that by 3rd grade parents would know if their child was failing in that area. It's a core subject that is needed for most all of learning. But then I'm not surprised. I volunteer to help poor readers kindergarten through 5th grade and I've seen it all, on both sides. Uninvolved parents, and sadly, teachers that don't care.

 

[Bidin~Time]

Consultation is NOT the issue, final decision is. Quite frankly I would hope that the parents would have been consulted at the beginning of the grade if there was a perception on the teachers part that there was an issue.

Ishmael

I do agree that parents should be involved in the education of their children. Speaking as the parent who had to demand her then, 4th grader, be held back, I would have welcomed some sort of guidelines. The social ramifications of her peer group moving on without her seemed to be the focus of the school, while my focus was the social ramifications of her not mastering the curriculum.

common sense, is not so common these days.

 

[RoryN]

You have all the information you need to look it up yourself seanl

Why the hell would anyone research anything you post? We assume they're all lies. And, sure enough, this one is, too.

Go fuck another squirrel. Hope your hip doesn't give out.

 

[Bidin~Time]

Ish is getting feisty again now his whelp is back on the scene.

Can anyone link me a non or at least less biased account?

Historically, it wouldn't make a damn if the Governor himself called you and explained to you the bill, because Ish started this thread. Honestly, Sean, You'd argue with a fencepost if you thought it's name was Ishmael.

 

[Ishmael]

I do agree that parents should be involved in the education of their children. Speaking as the parent who had to demand her then, 4th grader, be held back, I would have welcomed some sort of guidelines. The social ramifications of her peer group moving on without her seemed to be the focus of the school, while my focus was the social ramifications of her not mastering the curriculum.

common sense, is not so common these days.

Precisely. One of the arguments put forth by a senior democrat in the legislature is, "they will be scarred for life." I don't buy that notion either, and will hasten to add that not as much as they'll be scarred by social promotion only to end up in the bottom end of the work force.

Ishmael

 

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[Sean]

Historically, it wouldn't make a damn if the Governor himself called you and explained to you the bill, because Ish started this thread. Honestly, Sean, You'd argue with a fencepost if you thought it's name was Ishmael.

Probably, because he's a proven liar. Want to go into the patents he claimed? The Thoroughbred horses? The TV ads?

 

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[Bidin~Time]

Precisely. One of the arguments put forth by a senior democrat in the legislature is, "they will be scarred for life." I don't buy that notion either, and will hasten to add that not as much as they'll be scarred by social promotion only to end up in the bottom end of the work force.

Ishmael

The teacher and school principal were perplexed when i added my daughter to the discussion. She and I had an honest discussion about the pros and cons of her repeating the grade. We then had the same discussion with her teacher and principal.

Fortunately, even at the age of 9, my daughter saw the long term benefits of successfully completing her curriculum.

 

[Sean]

Oh shut the fuck up.

Oh look, it's Ken's boyfriend!

 

[Bidin~Time]

Probably, because he's a proven liar. Want to go into the patents he claimed? The Thoroughbred horses? The TV ads?

Only if you also add your alcohol and drug addiction, along with past implications of your abusive tendencies when in a relationship.

 

[Bidin~Time]

Liberals addressing the notion that a kid might be stigmatized by a failing grade is what helped to ruin our public education system.

I do think, that if the situation is handled poorly, the chances of the child being traumatized is quite real. How to bring the child into the discussion and keep the situation positive for the child is the sticky subject.