Department of Homeland security to man airport-style checkpoints throughout the US

[CandiCame]

I seriously want you to explain why it's so horrible to be searched before you go in somewhere- as long as it's not an obvious, douchebag, "we're only doing it to you because you look like a vampire" search, and they're searching everyone. I honestly don't see this being enforced for restaurants and whatnot, because it would just be to time-consuming. Plus, restaurants don't care what you snort off the filthy linolium in their bathroom- they just don't want you bringing in a gun. So they could easily solve that with a "no firearms" sign in most states, and a metal detector in the others. If they go with humans, I don't think that most places would have special guards for it- it would be plain to expensive, so you'd have people who didn't care doing the job. You'd have people you know doing the job. In the private sector, people are so lawsuit happy (remember, that's why we heard about the gropings in the first place- America is historically the world's most litigious people) and there's a precidence for these cases now, so the rules would be so strong that no one would get groped, or if they did, they'd get some cash. Are you really so scared someone's gonna grab your nuts? Seriously, what's your deal?

I mean, cops can already search your car for no reason- I honestly thought hat they could already stop you and search you on the street or even arrest you for no reason if they could come up with a reason to "suspect" you. I have a healthy fear of the police- so this isn't really news to me. Look like you belong there, play along, be cool, and no one will search you. Seriously, the only rule on blue team is: Be Cool.

 

[Mike_Yates]

I seriously want you to explain why it's so horrible to be searched before you go in somewhere- as long as it's not an obvious, douchebag, "we're only doing it to you because you look like a vampire" search, and they're searching everyone. I honestly don't see this being enforced for restaurants and whatnot, because it would just be to time-consuming. Plus, restaurants don't care what you snort off the filthy linolium in their bathroom- they just don't want you bringing in a gun. So they could easily solve that with a "no firearms" sign in most states, and a metal detector in the others. If they go with humans, I don't think that most places would have special guards for it- it would be plain to expensive, so you'd have people who didn't care doing the job. You'd have people you know doing the job. In the private sector, people are so lawsuit happy (remember, that's why we heard about the gropings in the first place- America is historically the world's most litigious people) and there's a precidence for these cases now, so the rules would be so strong that no one would get groped, or if they did, they'd get some cash. Are you really so scared someone's gonna grab your nuts? Seriously, what's your deal?

I mean, cops can already search your car for no reason- I honestly thought hat they could already stop you and search you on the street or even arrest you for no reason if they could come up with a reason to "suspect" you. I have a healthy fear of the police- so this isn't really news to me. Look like you belong there, play along, be cool, and no one will search you. Seriously, the only rule on blue team is: Be Cool.

Most people don't like strangers fondling their genitals and private areas. TSA goons are actually putting their hands down the front of people's pants at airports. I believe the real agenda behind the dehumanizing screening procedures seen at airports has absolutely nothing to do with security, but rather this is about psychologically conditioning the masses into being more submissive and servile. And to slowly prepare them for the next stage in the already laughably absurd national security theater.

The 4th amendment in the United States constitution protects against warrantless and unreasonable search and seizure. I don't understand where the police get their authority to search someone's vehicle for absolutely no reason. I've heard stories of police planting drugs in people's cars during these illegal searches. So perhaps there is a much more sinister, ulterior motive to it.

I can understand the necessity of the kinds of screening procedures at airports, court houses, and border checkpoints. But it absolutely disgusts me when this shit hits the streets and suddenly literally every single citizen becomes a potential terrorist or criminal who needs to be vetted for authenticity.

 

[garbage can]

And Obama reigns over all of it...

...what'd ya leave that part out for?

He's a Canadian, he thinks Dubya and Cheney are still in charge......

 

[WhatsBroknAlice]

I seriously want you to explain why it's so horrible to be searched before you go in somewhere- as long as it's not an obvious, douchebag, "we're only doing it to you because you look like a vampire" search, and they're searching everyone. I honestly don't see this being enforced for restaurants and whatnot, because it would just be to time-consuming. Plus, restaurants don't care what you snort off the filthy linolium in their bathroom- they just don't want you bringing in a gun. So they could easily solve that with a "no firearms" sign in most states, and a metal detector in the others. If they go with humans, I don't think that most places would have special guards for it- it would be plain to expensive, so you'd have people who didn't care doing the job. You'd have people you know doing the job. In the private sector, people are so lawsuit happy (remember, that's why we heard about the gropings in the first place- America is historically the world's most litigious people) and there's a precidence for these cases now, so the rules would be so strong that no one would get groped, or if they did, they'd get some cash. Are you really so scared someone's gonna grab your nuts? Seriously, what's your deal?

I mean, cops can already search your car for no reason- I honestly thought hat they could already stop you and search you on the street or even arrest you for no reason if they could come up with a reason to "suspect" you. I have a healthy fear of the police- so this isn't really news to me. Look like you belong there, play along, be cool, and no one will search you. Seriously, the only rule on blue team is: Be Cool.

I'm afraid that when one gives up freedom for "security" they usually don't end up being safe for very long

The changes that are coming are not so easily dismissed and it wont always be so easy to "just be cool"




"On December 1st, 2011, the US Senate accomplished the unthinkable–with the nearly unanimous passage of the National Defense Authorization Bill of 2012–THEY COMMITTED TREASON."

"No proof of wrongdoing is required and those accused are denied the due process right of trial by their peers, or the services of an attorney– and are subsequently relegated to the ‘military commissions justice system.’ As a result–the accused are reduced to the status of ‘unlawful enemy combatant,’ and are subject to the following actions: ‘extroardinary rendition’ (read KIDNAPPING), ‘enhanced interrogation’ procedures (read TORTURE), ‘indefinite detention (read prison life sentence), and ‘presidential assigned extermination of target’ (read MURDER BY PRESIDENTIAL ORDER). These powers are then ‘given’ to the President to use at will, fully codified in law, erasing any legal doubts while requiring in reality no proof other than presidential whim." (Maloff)

According to most U.S. senators, 97 of them who voted in favor of the wording of the NDAA as is, any person who has engaged in human rights activities is subject to "terrorist" treatment, as innocent Middle Easterners and others have been.

Peace makers such as Quakers, WAND members and any other civil and human rights workers such as those in the Occupy Wall Street movement are subjects of interest who could experience what the CIA and U.S. military has illegally done to innocent people in the Middle East in the "war on terror."

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/obama-required-americans-no-rights-ndaa-bill-proclaimed-human-rights-week


All in effect now

Its a slippery slope to police state and we haven't got much farther to fall

 

[KingOrfeo]

What we're seeing today is exactly what happened in Germany during the early 1930's.

I guess we can see where all of this is headed.

Poland?

 

[Mike_Yates]

I'm afraid that when one gives up freedom for "security" they usually don't end up being safe for very long

The changes that are coming are not so easily dismissed and it wont always be so easy to "just be cool"




"On December 1st, 2011, the US Senate accomplished the unthinkable–with the nearly unanimous passage of the National Defense Authorization Bill of 2012–THEY COMMITTED TREASON."

"No proof of wrongdoing is required and those accused are denied the due process right of trial by their peers, or the services of an attorney– and are subsequently relegated to the ‘military commissions justice system.’ As a result–the accused are reduced to the status of ‘unlawful enemy combatant,’ and are subject to the following actions: ‘extroardinary rendition’ (read KIDNAPPING), ‘enhanced interrogation’ procedures (read TORTURE), ‘indefinite detention (read prison life sentence), and ‘presidential assigned extermination of target’ (read MURDER BY PRESIDENTIAL ORDER). These powers are then ‘given’ to the President to use at will, fully codified in law, erasing any legal doubts while requiring in reality no proof other than presidential whim." (Maloff)

According to most U.S. senators, 97 of them who voted in favor of the wording of the NDAA as is, any person who has engaged in human rights activities is subject to "terrorist" treatment, as innocent Middle Easterners and others have been.

Peace makers such as Quakers, WAND members and any other civil and human rights workers such as those in the Occupy Wall Street movement are subjects of interest who could experience what the CIA and U.S. military has illegally done to innocent people in the Middle East in the "war on terror."

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/obama-required-americans-no-rights-ndaa-bill-proclaimed-human-rights-week


All in effect now

Its a slippery slope to police state and we haven't got much farther to fall

Exactly, this is going to be used as a tool for political repression. These are exactly the kinds of things that happened in Germany during the early 1930's. Peaceful protestors, political and civil rights activists, libertarians and conservatives, and any kind of political dissent whatsoever will be re-branded as terrorism and those people will be disappeared and sent away.

Although none of these people are legitimately involved in terroristic activities, this is the government's way of getting rid of people whom they do not favor. Innocent people are brutally tortured into making false confessions and making specific statements the interrogator demands to hear. This is precisely what happened during the Salem witch trials of the 18th century -- countless innocent people were executed because they were forced to confess to practicing witchcraft under extreme coercion. A man will say absolutely anything under torture, whether it be true or false.

Peaceful activists, protestors, and other lawful dissenters are now being branded as violent radicals and threats to state security whom should be permanently jailed, tortured, or even killed. This sounds an awful lot like the events following up to the establishment of other totalitarian regimes such as Nazi Germany, the USSR, and communist China. It looks like America and the rest of the (formerly) free and civilized world is going to follow suit.

I wonder who is behind this insanity and why they are doing it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Although none of these people are legitimately involved in terroristic activities . . .

No, but the White Nationalists, at any rate, always bear watching.

 

[Mike_Yates]

No, but the White Nationalists, at any rate, always bear watching.

Yes, white supremacists, certain militia groups, animal rights radicals and eco-terrorists, various christian fundamentalists and so forth are worth watching. However, they do not pose enough of a threat to justify such insane and unbelievable measures which are being taken by the government to stifle free speech and other democratic liberties.

Even today, I doubt that people who live in caves armed with box-cutters pose enough of a threat to national security to justify such oppressive laws and expansion of authoritarian infrastructure.

There is even evidence to point out that the entire war on terrorism is one giant facade meant to slowly subvert our democracy to it's entirety and to further increase the profits of the defense and armaments industry. They tried these things with the sham and bogus war on drugs in the 1980's, but it didn't work out as well as they inteded it to.

I can't even begin to guess what kind of corrupt and criminal elements of government/intelligence/business/international banking must be behind this nonsense.

 

[CandiCame]

He's a Canadian, he thinks Dubya and Cheney are still in charge......

Oh, he's Canadian- that makes a lot of sense.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/831210/help-monty-python-demotivational-poster-1259050824.jpg


OK, Again, I'm not worried about it because I know Americans. We are litigious. We will sue over the drop of a hat. Companies are in business to make money- they will not adopt a policy that gets them sued. That's just bad business.

Secondly, the government has the right to search your car (and I thought your person) because you are doing illegal shit. Everyone is doing illegal shit, except for the habitually lame, and we, as a country, like to pretend that we have no lame folk, because we are an extreme nation (AMERICA- FUCK YEAH!) therefore, if they are having a hard time meeting quota, you're bound to have no insurance/an expired license/ drugs/ burnt cds/ an improper seatbelt- something. No one is perfect and law enforcement is a job. You have to do something.

And nah, I'm not that worried about getting groped by a waiter at Golden Corral- because if that happens, you are getting hit on. Like I said, they're searching for firearms, and they're not going to hire special guards because it isn't practical.

I think that everyone is so caught up in what they're perceiving as a moral issue that it's hiding the practical, realistic side. It's unenforceable.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Oh, he's Canadian- that makes a lot of sense.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/831210/help-monty-python-demotivational-poster-1259050824.jpg


OK, Again, I'm not worried about it because I know Americans. We are litigious. We will sue over the drop of a hat. Companies are in business to make money- they will not adopt a policy that gets them sued. That's just bad business.

Secondly, the government has the right to search your car (and I thought your person) because you are doing illegal shit. Everyone is doing illegal shit, except for the habitually lame, and we, as a country, like to pretend that we have no lame folk, because we are an extreme nation (AMERICA- FUCK YEAH!) therefore, if they are having a hard time meeting quota, you're bound to have no insurance/an expired license/ drugs/ burnt cds/ an improper seatbelt- something. No one is perfect and law enforcement is a job. You have to do something.

And nah, I'm not that worried about getting groped by a waiter at Golden Corral- because if that happens, you are getting hit on. Like I said, they're searching for firearms, and they're not going to hire special guards because it isn't practical.

I think that everyone is so caught up in what they're perceiving as a moral issue that it's hiding the practical, realistic side. It's unenforceable.

You have the right not to consent to a police search if the officer(s) has no reason to suspect any wrongdoing. This is called the fourth amendment of the US constitution, police officers are educated about this during their training.

 

[CandiCame]

You have the right not to consent to a police search if the officer(s) has no reason to suspect any wrongdoing. This is called the fourth amendment of the US constitution, police officers are educated about this during their training.

Again with the practicality though. Everyone has their own tried & true method for handling that sticky situation.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Again with the practicality though. Everyone has their own tried & true method for handling that sticky situation.

Apparently the 4th amendment is no longer viable as thousands of cases of random, warrantless, and suspicionless search and seizures have occurred throughout the US since 2001.

I believe the patriot act (the foundation of the American police state signed by Bush after 9/11 and written up by ??? months before 9/11) negated much of the US constitution and bill of rights.

From that point on, it's been a very slippery slide into a totalitarian state. With the signing of the new NDAA bill, i'd say we're already half way there.

20-30 years from now, the United States will be completely indistinguishable from that of Nazi Germany.

 

[CandiCame]

Apparently the 4th amendment is no longer viable as thousands of cases of random, warrantless, and suspicionless search and seizures have occurred throughout the US since 2001.

I believe the patriot act (the foundation of the American police state signed by Bush after 9/11 and written up by ??? months before 9/11) negated much of the US constitution and bill of rights.

From that point on, it's been a very slippery slide into a totalitarian state. With the signing of the new NDAA bill, i'd say we're already half way there.

20-30 years from now, the United States will be completely indistinguishable from that of Nazi Germany.

Yup- patriot act. I think I'm younger then you. I don't remember a time when Americans had the right to privacy. Therefore, losing what I perceived as already lost doesn't bother me. You guys are losing something. I never knew what it was like- and I don't really care. Because that's not the world we live in.

 

[WhatsBroknAlice]

Yup- patriot act. I think I'm younger then you. I don't remember a time when Americans had the right to privacy. Therefore, losing what I perceived as already lost doesn't bother me. You guys are losing something. I never knew what it was like- and I don't really care. Because that's not the world we live in.

I find it sad when people accept their status as sheep being led to slaughter.

 

[eyer]

I find it sad when people accept their status as sheep being led to slaughter.

Life goes on...

...and the world always needs more sweaters.

 

[WhatsBroknAlice]

lol well said