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richard_daily said:
So, then the answer would be for someone to write Natasha and get some sort of input from her. It certainly looks like her or someone very similar to her in the video that KK posted.

I'm mildly curious as to how this was all pulled off if it's true... It's a lot of effort for next to 0 reward... unless Ken/Karen really likes getting men like veteman and miles off and getting their private info for... some sort of usage.

I can't imagine any sort of person, man or woman, being motivated by such things.
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And you. You are conveniently forgetting that I ended my friendship with you over this very issue, despite the fact that we have spent a dozen times together in person... don't front. Don't act like you are smarter than Miles or Vet on this topic, because you are not.
 
girlsmiley said:
It's funny you mention the garden thread. The pic I saw had a decent sized lawn. Garden looked like it needed a bit of weeding. Park bench type chair under a tree. Nothing like the pic of the garden there now, and also, nothing like the one from your deleted thread.

So, I have decided to meh. :)
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I wondered the exact thing yesterday as I was cross referencing the garden thread and the outing thread. The photos were not the same.

Sonny Limatina said:
She changed it about 45 minutes after she posted the original. The one with the big lawn is some famous garden somewhere.

I took a screenshot of the original. I can't think of any reason I wouldn't be allowed to post it again, if you'd like.
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The thing that threw me was that in the garden thread, the same garden photo is posted, only resized, in post 47. So you're saying the original photo in post 42 from the garden thread was the same photo you posted in yesterday's outing thread? I'm just trying to make sense of the garden photos not matching. That's the only element out of synch with the rest of your research and evidence. The pole with the green tube on top is pivotal evidence.
 
SinInsatiable said:
I wondered the exact thing yesterday as I was cross referencing the garden thread and the outing thread. The photos were not the same.



The thing that threw me was that in the garden thread, the same garden photo is posted, only resized, in post 47. So you're saying the original photo in post 42 from the garden thread was the same photo you posted in yesterday's outing thread? I'm just trying to make sense of the garden photos not matching. That's the only element out of synch with the rest of your research and evidence. The pole with the green tube on top is pivotal evidence.
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There have been three pictures (that I know of) in her post in the garden thread.

The first was her actual garden, which I took a screenshot of (and saved the photo). The second was about 45 minutes later, when Karen stared melting down because I hadn't removed my comment in her pedo thread. That was just some famous garden somewhere. The third was after she was in full meltdown/troll mode. She was screenstretching a couple of my threads. This was her screenstretch for the gardening thread.

If you hit "Quick reply" instead of "Quote," the quoted material changes as the original post changes.

Here is her original post. Look quick because it will almost certainly be deleted.
 
Sonny Limatina said:
There have been three pictures (that I know of) in her post in the garden thread.

The first was her actual garden, which I took a screenshot of (and saved the photo). The second was about 45 minutes later, when Karen stared melting down because I hadn't removed my comment in her pedo thread. That was just some famous garden somewhere. The third was after she was in full meltdown/troll mode. She was screenstretching a couple of my threads. This was her screenstretch for the gardening thread.

If you hit "Quick reply" instead of "Quote," the quoted material changes as the original post changes.

Here is her original post. Look quick because it will almost certainly be deleted.
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On it. Saw it. That's all I needed. Good work.
 
Sonny Limatina said:
There have been three pictures (that I know of) in her post in the garden thread.

The first was her actual garden, which I took a screenshot of (and saved the photo). The second was about 45 minutes later, when Karen stared melting down because I hadn't removed my comment in her pedo thread. That was just some famous garden somewhere. The third was after she was in full meltdown/troll mode. She was screenstretching a couple of my threads. This was her screenstretch for the gardening thread.

If you hit "Quick reply" instead of "Quote," the quoted material changes as the original post changes.

Here is her original post. Look quick because it will almost certainly be deleted.
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and that garden, her original picture posted is the same garden that ken had posted on his fb? he was saying it was his own garden on fb?
 
EllieTalbot said:
That was a really crap thing to do to you, Rob, and it shouldn't have happened and Miles and KK were creeps for doing it, but didn't you post a lot of personal crap about AJ's kids? You're not above invading/attacking people's personal lives when you feel like it.
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My thoughts exactly.

I seem to recall that those kk posts were in direct retaliation to RDS's taunting about breast cancer and a dead sister. He's hardly one to play the victim now. In this case, overall context makes the difference.





LadyFunkenstein said:
And you. You are conveniently forgetting that I ended my friendship with you over this very issue, despite the fact that we have spent a dozen times together in person... don't front. Don't act like you are smarter than Miles or Vet on this topic, because you are not.
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http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=39625217&postcount=154


Quoted for posterity.





I don't know what to make about this drama. Maybe kk IS the natasha woman in the video.... who knows. And if kk is actually a man pretending to be a woman, that certainly wouldn't be unique on the internet, especially here.

And before the rories et alts accuse ME of having some sort of cybersex interest in kk - I have not, nor do I.

I do think it a bit strange that this sonny person continues to drag out the drama ... since he claims not to be congratulating himself, it sure looks like he's enjoying his 15 minutes of fame and hoping to prolong his victory dance.
 
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MeeMie said:
My thoughts exactly.

I seem to recall that those kk posts were in direct retaliation to RDS's taunting about breast cancer and a dead sister. He's hardly one to play the victim now. In this case, overall context makes the difference...
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Except there is no sister, there is no cancer and there is no Karen. Isn't that the overall context?
 
kotori said:
Except there is no sister, there is no cancer and there is no Karen. Isn't that the overall context?
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Yes, but consider a somewhat smaller context. If RDS believed that these things were true, don't you think that would say a lot about him?
 
Sonny Limatina said:
Here's the deal.

Not to start with self-congratulation, but I have always said that I figured the Karen Kraft character was a composite ID of some sort. I won't post the instances, but they're around. I have a good ear; there was something off about her. At any rate, I'm certainly not the first one or the only one who noticed.

I have found her gleeful invocation of Rob's kids reprehensible, and generally find her posting style grating.

As a result, except for occasional posts in "Who Is This Person" threads, I have mostly ignored her.

She has tried to reach out to me a few times. When I haven't responded, she's pouted and put me on iggy.

Recently, she began trying again. Making jokes, winks, kisses and lofty, overwritten, incorrect historical posts in response to things I've said. I remembered that among the things she's claimed, being an editor was one of them. Reading her responses, I thought, "Well, one thing I know: This is no editor."

I have avs, signatures, and images off. I clicked through to her profile and saw that she had a link to some Smashwords books in her sig. One was a book with one author and three editors. That struck me as odd. That's not how it usually works.

I click through to all the other names. The author has web presence, the other two editors have web presence, Karen doesn't. OK, so it's a pseudonym, duh, we all know that.

Click author's profile. There are links to IMDB and Facebook. There on IMDB was a picture of author with Karen Kraft. What the. OK, got it, that's Karen, then, and sure enough, she's a friend of the author.

Click through to his Facebook page, which turns out to be public, and there's the same picture. This time, it's tagged. The woman is Natasha Melnicck, and the photo is a still from a movie set. Google Natasha, and there are lots of pictures of Karen. Click on videos of her, and there is Karen/Natasha talking about her new movie.

I read Ken's bio, do a little more Googling, and discover that his bio, hobbies, locations, writing style/idiosyncracies and even the timing of his book all match Karen. There's the tomato garden. There's the study abroad. There's Las Vegas and So Cal. There are some sons, one of whose names matches the one people have tossed about as KK in the past. The Baylor thing explains the Austin posts.

There is Ken writing a legal article about intra-family statutory rape. Karen came to lit writing about being sexually abused by mom and dad.

The only missing element is the twins, which turns out to be the plot of his self-published book: two young twin sisters save humanity, when--by the way--the age of consent is lowered so we can begin legally fucking girls sooner.

Again, not to horn-toot, but my prevailing theory about Karen was that it was a middle-aged lawyer with an unhealthy relationship with his daughter, and that he was posting her without consent. At one point I thought, Wait, if that's right, those young-girl threads are really fucking creepy. Then I just stopped noticing them and forgot.

I suddenly ealized how many atrocities the character was perpetrating, if he was in fact the middle-aged male. Outing people’s kids, preying on young, cute women, asking for personal addresses.

I am not the alt-outing type. I strongly considered just keeping the knowledge in my pocket. I actually don’t care who is who online, since that’s why people come online. I also often ask people in PMs what they do, who they are. I have revealed who I am to people. I have something to lose myself, and would not want to be outed.

As I was reading Karen’s old posts, I came across something about her dad fucking her or something of the like, and became sufficiently skeeved out by the aggregate that I decided, fuck it. Let him grow some balls and cop to who he is. If he outs me in return, at least my storyline matches reality and isn’t borderline-predator.

I had pictures of Ken’s tomato garden and the matching basil-and-mozzarella posts--and, of course, I knew by then he was her. But I could still think of ways to explain it away, if someone wanted to. I figured, there’s no way to explain away how Karen’s garden can be Ken’s garden if he’s not her. So I made my garden thread.

She didn’t post in it. So I baited her. I posted in the Slender Angels thread, saying that if it turned out she was a fat old man, the thread would seem creepy.

Bait worked: she PMd me asking that I change it, explaining how hard it would be for her if I didn’t, and sending a naked picture of Natasha Melnicck to prove she was a female.

I said, post in my Post Your Garden thread and I’ll consider it.

She did. It was the same garden.

Karen was Ken, and the rest is Litstory.

In the meantime, Karen went into major melt-down/attack mode, made some Sonny vanity threads and the like. I considered putting off the “out,” so no one would think it was retaliation, but then I realized, this isn’t curing breast cancer or killing Bin Laden, this is being a pest on a website, just post the stuff and move on.

So I did.

Please do not worry, if you’ve given me personal information, that I will share it. I never will. Karen gave me none of the information I posted, except on the board. It was all clicks through from her signature page to public pages, and posted only because of the skeeve/predator factor. I have started being more open (in PM) about who I am, partially as collateral so I can ask others who they are. As I said, I have a good ear: I like to hear/know people’s stories.

That’s it. QED and Cognito Virgo Drum and all that.

Love,
Sonny

P.S. AIDS!
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For Miles.
 
MeeMie said:
I do think it a bit strange that this sonny person continues to drag out the drama ... since he claims not to be congratulating himself, it sure looks like he's enjoying his 15 minutes of fame and hoping to prolong his victory dance.
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Let's say I drag it out for 10 years. Does that make Karen any less a fat 64-year-old man named Ken?
 
I'm waiting for Ken's retaliation thread under his new nick UcyberedKen,

in which he posts video capture and still pics of all of the Lits who cybered with him.

I think I would title it, "Cleansing of the Right. . . eous".
 
garbage can said:
Don't start anything you can't finish KRC......... You're carrying way to much baggage.... very easy to exploit.

Best as I can tell, most of your leg humpers have abandoned you, for fear of hairy legs.

Hey Miss Congeniality.....Give it your best shot.............Keeping in mind that Mr KRC took the photo of you with cum on your face.
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Right on bro!! KRC is one drop away from joining the KK male posting as female band wagon. lol;)
Just another hubby pretending to be his wife online.

Right KRC? :D
 
If you go to his Twitter page, Twitter suggests also following KarenKraft as "similar to" him.
 
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