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Progressives are viewed quite well by Americans.
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What's a progressive? Is that similar to a Pomeranian?
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And interestingly, another book, Neconservatism an Obituary for an Idea argues neocons are soft fascists wrapped in American slogans and mores. I was also surprised to learn how neoconservatism started from Trotskyism. So when did progressivism and neoconservatism branch off?
It is interesting to remember that Woodrow Wilson was considered a progressive and assisted Trotsky tremendously...
...but when, if indeed progressivism and neoconservatism have branched off, is a subjective call I believe.
As far as individual liberty is concerned, though...
...it is enough to understand they're both of the same statist root.
“Would you rather be a Neoconservative or a Progressive? That is a trick question. The trick is in the fact that, although there may be differences between the rhetoric and short-term agendas of these groups, their long-term goals actually are the same. They may differ over how to fight a war in the Middle East but not over the right of the President to wage such a war empowered by the UN instead of Congress. They may differ over what kind of speech should be forbidden (“subversive” speech vs. “hate” speech, for example) but not over the right of the government to forbid it. They may differ over how fast to bankrupt the nation to provide benefits for its citizens but not over the assumption that providing benefits is what governments are supposed to do. They disagree over tactics, timing, and style, but not objectives. They fight for dominance within the New World Order, but they work together to build it. That is because both groups have embraced the underlying ideology of global collectivism.”
– G. Edward Griffin, Left vs Right: The Illusion of Opposites
“Regardless of what name you give it, regardless of how you re-label it to make it seem new or different, collectivism is totalitarianism. … In the United States and most European countries there is a mirage of two political parties supposedly opposing each other, one on the Right and the other on the Left. Yet, when we get past the party slogans and rhetoric, we find that the leaders of both parties support all the principles of collectivism … . Indeed, they represent a right wing and a left wing, but they are two wings of the same ugly bird called collectivism. A true choice for freedom will not be found with either of them. ”
– G. Edward Griffin, The Future is Calling (Part 1)
– G. Edward Griffin, Left vs Right: The Illusion of Opposites
“Regardless of what name you give it, regardless of how you re-label it to make it seem new or different, collectivism is totalitarianism. … In the United States and most European countries there is a mirage of two political parties supposedly opposing each other, one on the Right and the other on the Left. Yet, when we get past the party slogans and rhetoric, we find that the leaders of both parties support all the principles of collectivism … . Indeed, they represent a right wing and a left wing, but they are two wings of the same ugly bird called collectivism. A true choice for freedom will not be found with either of them. ”
– G. Edward Griffin, The Future is Calling (Part 1)
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I understand Goldberg is not a favorite of liberals, and that is alright. Putting the arguments made by pundits, it is difficult to find a clear path of ideology development because terms are so freely tossed around by people looking to score cheap political points. Words like communist, socialist, fascist, etc. Alright, what defines each one of them, because it seems to me those words really mean 'I disagree with that, so it must be fascism/communism/world domination'.
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The definition of the words in the survey is more important than the result.
What did those polled think the words meant?
In the UK, the same words have very different connotations.
Even the way the word is printed could make a difference:
Conservative is the name of a political party and therefore is associated with the actions and people of that party.
conservative is an adjective meaning 1.a Averse to rapid change, 1.b (of views, taste etc.) avoiding extremes, 2. (of a prediction, an estimate etc) purposefully low, moderate, 3. The Conservative Party, 4. tending to conserve (Verb tr) to store up or preserve for later use...
What did those polled think the words meant?
In the UK, the same words have very different connotations.
Even the way the word is printed could make a difference:
Conservative is the name of a political party and therefore is associated with the actions and people of that party.
conservative is an adjective meaning 1.a Averse to rapid change, 1.b (of views, taste etc.) avoiding extremes, 2. (of a prediction, an estimate etc) purposefully low, moderate, 3. The Conservative Party, 4. tending to conserve (Verb tr) to store up or preserve for later use...
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If you have the time...
...perhaps you can photoshop one of those foil lids for both Ike and JFK, eh?
1961 speech Eisenhower Warns us of New World Order
JFK Speaks out Against the New World Order
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/motorcade.jpg
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ROTFLMAO. The first one is Ike warning about the power of the military industrial complex. No mention of crackpot conspiracy theories. The second is a JFK speech about the Soviet Union, you fucking halfwit.
Statists - like addicts - are natural deniers...
...doesn't matter if they supply the world with arms or heroin, or restrain individual liberty politically by governmental force.
What's relative in your response(s) is the transparency of collectivism as your chosen master...
...squid.
The is something behind the throne greater than the King himself.
Sir William Pitt, House of Lords, 1770
The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.
- Benjamin Disraeli, English statesman, 1844
The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President of the United States of America, 1933
