Incest Story Advice - how related is enough?

[BuckyDuckman]

I'm planning on submitting a Valentine's Day Contest story that works best if the couple involved are related. Should be a nice challenge for me, since incest is a cat that's far from my comfort zone. Maybe some incest authors can give me some advice?

1) How related is related enough? My first instinct is to make the characters step bro/sis, where their parents married, but they are not related by blood, only marriage. Am I wimping out here? Should I just say "screw it" and make them full bro & sis?

2) As I think through the story, it would work just as well if they are sister and sister. Better to keep it heterosexual or better if it's a lesbian relationship that develops?

The story, for me, centers on two people, raised together, with a sibling style rivalry; the familiarity that comes from being raised together; and the eventual reconciliation that can happen as formerly at-odds siblings find a more mature relationship as adults. Sure, it's a sick relationship since they're related (IMHO), but the fun of the story (for me) is going to be two bickering siblings reconciling in the most intimate of ways.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

 

[sr71plt]

Although not really incest, I think the readers here accept the "step" relationship as being included in Incest.

 

[Darkniciad]

"Step" is usually within the boundaries, but keep in mind that it's low on the list of popular pairings in the category, and will result in lower numbers of votes, views, comments, etc.

That, in turn, will increase the impact of low votes and commentary from the purists of the category who consider even blood aunts, uncles, and cousins as "not incest". To this bunch, if you don't share blood and haven't lived under the same roof all of your life, it doesn't count.

Nevermind the "taboo" part of the category name. As far as the bulk of the readership is concerned, it doesn't exist.

 

[lovecraft68]

Step incest is like drinking non alcoholic beer. It has the taste not the bit.

Step incest is a way of justifying the kink, but having a safety net of "well they are not really related"

True incest fans will blast it. The only one that does consistently well is step daddy/daughter because it takes the edge off any rape aspects

 

[Darkniciad]

Step mom and step siblings seem to do okay as well.

The latter seems to require the siblings having lived together from a very young age, while the former can survive on the cuckolding Dad element, which is common in Mom/Son, the ratings leader of the category, even if Dad just married her. Drop the cuckold element, and it loses popularity quickly.

No matter what, they're all going to take a big hit from the averages for the category.

If you want to write a cuckold story and get praised rather than blasted for it, make them blood relations and put it in incest

 

[BuckyDuckman]

Step mom and step siblings seem to do okay as well.

The latter seems to require the siblings having lived together from a very young age, while the former can survive on the cuckolding Dad element, which is common in Mom/Son, the ratings leader of the category, even if Dad just married her. Drop the cuckold element, and it loses popularity quickly.

No matter what, they're all going to take a big hit from the averages for the category.

If you want to write a cuckold story and get praised rather than blasted for it, make them blood relations and put it in incest

Well now that's damn interesting to me. I just finished posting a cuckolding story (Loving to Like) that has done okay. Initially the idea came to me as the big sis cuckolding her slightly younger li'l bro. Seems as if that might be the way to go!

 

[Jake Marlow]

I agree that going "step" is just a way to "clean it up" and make it less objectionable. Unless there's really a story reason to make them step, I'd go full incest. It definitely raises the stakes.

 

[ishtat]

Get hold of a copy of the Book of Common Prayer. On the very last page you will find " A Table of Kindred and Affinity, wherein whosoever are related are forbidden in Scripture and in our laws to Marry each other."

This list does not include first cousins and many societies outside the USA encourage first cousin marriages. The list of prohibitions does however include a number of non-blood relations eg. deceased wife's sister or deceased wife's daughter (by an earlier marriage).

This list of course dates from a time when all marriage disputes of whatever nature were decided in Clerical (Church) courts rather than civil courts.

 

[lovecraft68]

Get hold of a copy of the Book of Common Prayer. On the very last page you will find " A Table of Kindred and Affinity, wherein whosoever are related are forbidden in Scripture and in our laws to Marry each other."

This list does not include first cousins and many societies outside the USA encourage first cousin marriages. The list of prohibitions does however include a number of non-blood relations eg. deceased wife's sister or deceased wife's daughter (by an earlier marriage).

This list of course dates from a time when all marriage disputes of whatever nature were decided in Clerical (Church) courts rather than civil courts.

Get a copy of that book and burn it.

Neither God nor Government has the right to tell one who you can love. Would I encourage brothers and sisters who fall into incest to have children? Of course not as their are heavy chances of birth defects. However, as I said no one has a right to tell you who you can or can't love.

 

[ishtat]

Get a copy of that book and burn it.

Neither God nor Government has the right to tell one who you can love. Would I encourage brothers and sisters who fall into incest to have children? Of course not as their are heavy chances of birth defects. However, as I said no one has a right to tell you who you can or can't love.

Burning the Book of Common Prayer wouldn't do much good. It's very small and would hardly warm your hands.

In my mind there is no God, but if He/She is in your mind, he has as much right to tell you who to love as any other entity. And check out the first two Commandments.

The Government cannot tell you who to love, it can however enact laws with respect to who we shall breed or attempt to breed with.

Your use of the phrase "fall into incest" is interesting, but maybe I won't speculate on it!

Considering that you write a lot about incest, your comment about birth defects, indicates that you need to learn more thoroughly the principles and effects of line breeding.

It concerns me Lovecraft that the title in your sig indicates that Jake may be having a relationship with a fish. I thought that bestiality was banned on Lit and suggest he seek out a soul-mate instead.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

My wife and I did some stories with an uncle and niece, just for example. I don't see anything wrong with less proximate incest, done the right way. It can be "taboo" if you let it. Like the one guy said, it is not just incest, but taboo as well. Nothing wrong with step, if the plot demands. Just don't let timidity make your decisions.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

My wife and I did some stories with an uncle and niece, just for example. I don't see anything wrong with less proximate incest, done the right way. It can be "taboo" if you let it. Like the one guy said, it is not just incest, but taboo as well. Nothing wrong with step, if the plot demands. Just don't let timidity make your decisions.

Thanks. After the suggestions made in this thread, I'm going full hog with the story. They're full brother and sister and I've resisted the temptation to bring the rest of the family into it, too, LOL.

I will say, I'm enjoying setting the atmosphere with the knowledge they have of each other, playing up the sibling rivalry part of things. Thanks everyone!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Thanks. After the suggestions made in this thread, I'm going full hog with the story. They're full brother and sister and I've resisted the temptation to bring the rest of the family into it, too, LOL.

I will say, I'm enjoying setting the atmosphere with the knowledge they have of each other, playing up the sibling rivalry part of things. Thanks everyone!

Good thinking. While I've done the "whole family" plot with some stories....it takes an unusual family for that to work. Most families would either disown or be uncomfortable and judgmental, not ready to dive in and make it an orgy. Plus there are some times that it is best to keep it simple. That's your call as a writer, naturally, based with the characters and the flow/development of the story. It is good to avoid being too cliche.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

Thanks for all the suggestions from this thread. For anyone who's interested, my first incest story is up (and posted a Valentine's Day entry). It's definitely full incest between a brother and sister - includes crossdressing and MMF. Go all the way or don't go at all. Anyway, here it is if you're interested:

My Sister Turned Me into a Slut

 

[mynameisben]

How related is enough?

I had sex, for years, with a woman who later turned out to be a direct blood relative of both my children.

 

[TxRad]

I had sex, for years, with a woman who later turned out to be a direct blood relative of both my children.

Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your kids.

 

[tomokun]

This is all really interesting. I've always found the incest stories a bit uncomfortable to read, no matter how hot the action is outside of that part of the situation.

So here's my question - what makes incest stories so appealing, especially to the average literotica reader?

Is it the taboo nature?

Do they have a relative they've always fantasized about?

Or is it that aspect which makes me feel uncomfortable, others find arousing?

Really, with everything that can be written about, why is incest such a "hot" topic?

 

[BuckyDuckman]

This is all really interesting. I've always found the incest stories a bit uncomfortable to read, no matter how hot the action is outside of that part of the situation.

So here's my question - what makes incest stories so appealing, especially to the average literotica reader?

Is it the taboo nature?

Do they have a relative they've always fantasized about?

Or is it that aspect which makes me feel uncomfortable, others find arousing?

Really, with everything that can be written about, why is incest such a "hot" topic?

I have no idea. However, as a writer, there was appeal the built in tension of the relationship.

 

[sr71plt]

I'd think the taboo angle would rank high. Increasing one's arousal tends to require moving the edges progressively farther out.

 

[TheOlderGuy]

This is all really interesting. I've always found the incest stories a bit uncomfortable to read, no matter how hot the action is outside of that part of the situation.

So here's my question - what makes incest stories so appealing, especially to the average literotica reader?

Is it the taboo nature?

Do they have a relative they've always fantasized about?

Or is it that aspect which makes me feel uncomfortable, others find arousing?

Really, with everything that can be written about, why is incest such a "hot" topic?

It IS the taboo nature of it--the "Oh, that's very naughty" thing.

But it's also that most of us have at one time felt that impulsue "Wow! S/He is really sexy. Oh, but s/he's my cousin, uncle, aunt, stepdad, or whatever."

Probably like most things sexual or emotional or instinctual--it's complex. Most of what we do is handled by the automatic side of our brain, and we don't need to know why. When the other side gets involved we start to overthink everything, which is the second best feautre of our brains.

 

[autoplot]

Is it the taboo nature?

Yes. Being attracted to family members isn't necessarily a thing. Wanting to port your sexual fantasies over to real life 100% of the time is only true if you're writing non-consenaul, according to lovecraft68.

 

[sr71plt]

But it's also that most of us have at one time felt that impulsue "Wow! S/He is really sexy. Oh, but s/he's my cousin, uncle, aunt, stepdad, or whatever."

Uh, oh. That just made a story idea drop.

 

[lovecraft68]

This is all really interesting. I've always found the incest stories a bit uncomfortable to read, no matter how hot the action is outside of that part of the situation.

So here's my question - what makes incest stories so appealing, especially to the average literotica reader?

Is it the taboo nature?

Do they have a relative they've always fantasized about?

Or is it that aspect which makes me feel uncomfortable, others find arousing?

Really, with everything that can be written about, why is incest such a "hot" topic?

Well it's the taboo of course. Your sibling/cousin/parent whatever is the one person in the world you are not supposed to desire sexually.

I think incest stories do extremely well because for the most part it is a fantasy that most will never be able to live out (or want to, many people have fantasies they would not really want to be a reality. Women with rape fantasies for instance, great fantasy but they would never want it to happen)

Let's face it if you have BDSM or Gay male or watersport fantasies they could come true at some point, but not so much incest. So to me, its an indulgence, a guilty pleasure.

There are also the two types of readers. The strokers want to see sis(mom dad whoever) fucked hard and that is it. Others, like myself, are more intrigued with the emotional aspect: falling in love with someone society tells us we shouldn't.

 

[lovecraft68]

Uh, oh. That just made a story idea drop.

Pick it back up, that one's been dropped ten million times in ten million ways.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yes. Being attracted to family members isn't necessarily a thing. Wanting to port your sexual fantasies over to real life 100% of the time is only true if you're writing non-consenaul, according to lovecraft68.

How about you get held down and raped in the ass, then you can come back and make non consent jokes.

And keep my name out of your mouth poser. You got as much R/L experience as a cub scout and it shows in your writing.