If you were a member of the opposite sex...

[Stella_Omega]

I have been a woman, or at least a virtual one in a virtual world, which was till pretty instructive. They estimate that 15 to 50% of the women in Second Life are actually men, that’s way too high. 5-15% seems more likely, with most men just being part-time females. In any case, there’s a lot more men being women than there are women being men.

The reason men do this isn’t primarily sexual and most of these women aren’t gay, any more than real life transsexuals are gay. It’s more about men’s obsession with women’s bodies and beauty I think, and an attempt to totally identify with and possess these objects of desire. Amerindians used to dress as buffalo the night before a big hunt in order to become one with their prey. I think it’s something like that.

Once you put on the long hair and tits, it’s amazing how obsessed you suddenly get with appearance, and some SL TV’s are truly stunning. In fact, one of the best tells that you’re dealing with a man in drag rather than a real woman is her meticulous perfection and attention to detail. Your beauty and desirability become a fetish.

On the other hand, you can often recognize a newbie TV because she’ll be overly femme, with outsized tits and Godiva hair. They’ll also usually Ahave bad shoes.

My attitudes and behaviors change pretty radically when I'm a woman. I’m not sure whether I just start playing out my own ideas and prejudices of what a woman should be like, or whether the overt sexuality of my body and my knowledge of men does it, but I get more protective of myself and cautious than I am as a man.

I've also found that being a slut is not nearly as easy as it seems it would be from a male standpoint. Most men are put off by sexually aggressive women, and those that are willing to jump right into bed with you aren’t worth the trouble.

In any case, it was a terribly educational experience, and I learned a lot about how not to be such a male dick by being a woman.

That is quite illuminating, Doc. Really interesting.

I started an SL account as a man, but lost interest awfully fast, and never did much interaction. I have a feeling though, that more women play as men than you are aware of.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Originally Posted by dr_mabeuse
...Most men are put off by sexually aggressive women, and those that are willing to jump right into bed with you aren’t worth the trouble.{emphasis added}

I won't criticize the generalization there, since I'm as guilty as the next for doing it. However, I do want to point out that I've had the pleasure of knowing a few woman that would be classified 'easy' who were absolutely worth it. In every case, these were women who were confidant and comfortable with their sexuality, especially in the sense of satisfying their owns needs. They were - not aggressive per se, just knew what they wanted and asked for it. When it was over, they said thank, goodbye, and that was it.

I confess to being a little confused that a guy might be intimidated or otherwise uncomfortable with that. Yet, we do see criticism of such women on a rather regular basis, and I believe that comes from some perceived threat to our masculinity. I suppose I like being the sexual aggressor as much as any red-blooded male, but having an attractive woman approach me openly for sex is something I find a great thing. I think all men would get laid far more often if there was no stigma attached to women being sexually forward.

Generally, I agree with Lord M, except I would disagree with Doc's generalization. The second clause in his sentence is apparently his opinion, but the first clause attributes a certain attitude to a majority of men. I would be interested in seeing a valid survey in support of it. Do you have such a thing, Doc?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Generally, I agree with Lord M, except I would disagree with Doc's generalization. The second clause in his sentence is apparently his opinion, but the first clause attributes a certain attitude to a majority of men. I would be interested in seeing a valid survey in support of it. Do you have such a thing, Doc?

See this post, Box:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=39437111&postcount=75

 

[TheCarver]

I think I'd probably be really hot. Most of the women in my family are very attractive. But I think I'd probably be one of those morally fucked chicks too.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Originally Posted by Boxlicker101


Generally, I agree with Lord M, except I would disagree with Doc's generalization. The second clause in his sentence is apparently his opinion, but the first clause attributes a certain attitude to a majority of men. I would be interested in seeing a valid survey in support of it. Do you have such a thing, Doc?

See this post, Box:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=39437111&postcount=75

Whether it's for real or part of a roleplay, it's still a generalization, and should not be made without some kind of support. I have sometimes heard and read people saying men are turned off my sexually aggressive or even open women, but that has not been my personal experience or observation. I'm strongly in favor of gender equality, and I think women should risk rejection as much as men do.

 

[SydneyBlake]

That is quite illuminating, Doc. Really interesting.

I started an SL account as a man, but lost interest awfully fast, and never did much interaction. I have a feeling though, that more women play as men than you are aware of.

I don't know anything about SL, but I did this (posed as a guy) once, eons ago, on a now-defunct website. Carried on for a short while with a girl (at least I think it was a girl, lol). It was fun, but I suspected she was getting a little too invested, so I kind of faded out. (Typical guy, huh?)

Playing make believe can be fun, but there's that part of me that wants to be known and accepted, warts and all. Can't do that while being deceptive. I tried it for 15 years with my DH. Makes for a very miserable existence. But I digress....

 

[SydneyBlake]

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Originally Posted by Boxlicker101

women should risk rejection as much as men do.

But speaking from a reproductive POV, women have far more to lose when they risk rejection.

 

[Verdad]

I started an SL account as a man, but lost interest awfully fast, and never did much interaction. I have a feeling though, that more women play as men than you are aware of.

I have no patience whatsoever for SL, but I think you must be right. Reading some slash fan fics the other day—something I hadn’t done in years but which seized me these days—I was reminded of how many women write man on man sex. I expect many would be looking to try that in SL.

Myself, I’ve never posed as a guy on the net, but I’m taken for one often enough. Mostly it happens when I forget to emote.

Some women become annoyingly deferential when they think they’re speaking to a man, while men often become extra competitive and hostile. Not that I can’t draw hostility at the best of times, but it’d be tiresome to live like that!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Its easy to distinguish males from females if you know the signs.

Females discriminate, males dont. Females stalk what they want, males go after whats available. Females who dont discriminate are hookers or Gay men.

If a female wants you she'll come get you or position herself so you cant ignore her. She naturally assumes that any real male will bite her bait, and if you dont youre dismissed as Gay. And when she isnt sure which team you play for she'll reveal more and more of her body until you do bite or she's confident youre a queer rooster.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101


Generally, I agree with Lord M, except I would disagree with Doc's generalization. The second clause in his sentence is apparently his opinion, but the first clause attributes a certain attitude to a majority of men. I would be interested in seeing a valid survey in support of it. Do you have such a thing, Doc?

Whether it's for real or part of a roleplay, it's still a generalization, and should not be made without some kind of support. I have sometimes heard and read people saying men are turned off my sexually aggressive or even open women, but that has not been my personal experience or observation. I'm strongly in favor of gender equality, and I think women should risk rejection as much as men do.

Again, my comments were about my experiences as a female in Second Life, engaging with SL men. There's a lot you can learn from being virtual transsexual in a virtual world, but only an idiot would think SL and Real Life are the same.

Most of the men in Second Life are aware that a good number of SL women are actually men in drag and they're not happy about it. In fact, they're positively homophobic. A woman who comes on too strong runs the risk of raising her partner's suspicions and scaring him off. Maybe I misspoke when I called this "intimidation," but whatever you call it, it makes the man cautious and wary, maybe even a little frightened.

It's certainly possible to find men in SL who'll fuck you, no questions asked. In fact, there are entire sims (in-world sites) dedicated to just that. You just show up and get on a poseball and someone (or several people) will jump on you and start pumping away. And if that's your idea of good sex, then feel free. Most people get tired of this pretty fast, though, and start looking for partners who can emote.

I started an SL account as a man, but lost interest awfully fast, and never did much interaction. I have a feeling though, that more women play as men than you are aware of.

You're probably right. In fact, I just heard from a girl I know in SL who just broke up with a guy after a couple weeks, and she tells me this guy claims to have slept with me a few times. Since I'm not into male avatars, he must have been a woman at the time, and my friend was pretty sure that "he" was actually a RL woman playing a man when she met him.

And I know of one example where a straight woman fell in love with an SL guy and lived with him for almost 3 months before the guy revealed he was actually a gay woman in RL. By that time the straight woman was really in love with him, and she went through a full-scale, RL sexual identity crisis, wondering if her love for him meant that she herself was actually gay.

This gender fluidity is one of the things I love about SL. It makes you realize how evanescent the idea of "gender" really is. And as our relationships and interactions get more and more virtual in Real Life, I think the identification of gender with sex will become superfluous. We'll interact sexually based on character and style.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

What do you think you'd do?

After the first five minutes of freaking out and poking your new genitalia, that is.

I definitely wouldn't be hangin' here, that's for sure.

 

[LordMhoram]

Please--! I never said that a woman's sexual history or proclivities had anything to do with her being "worth it," whatever that means. I said that the men in SL who were willing to immediately jump in bed with you were hardly worth it. And I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was talking about the virtual world of Second Life, where sex isn't physical but emotional. Without an emotional connection, SL sex is nothing but beating off to bad cartoons.

My bad, I guess. I took your post to be referring to SL as a backdrop to real world understanding and experience. Like your reply to Boxlicker:

Most of the men in Second Life are aware that a good number of SL women are actually men in drag and they're not happy about it. In fact, they're positively homophobic. A woman who comes on too strong runs the risk of raising her partner's suspicions and scaring him off. Maybe I misspoke when I called this "intimidation," but whatever you call it, it makes the man cautious and wary, maybe even a little frightened.

I trust you can see how one could assume you are talking about real world responses and consequences of a virtual action or activity.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Become a lesbian, of course.

 

[TheEarl]

Lingerie. Toys. Then not leaving the bedroom for an awful long while.

Then maybe I'd look at adapting my life to the new circumstances.

The Earl