Sometimes, I wish I were married...

[RoryN]

...and then I'm reminded of stuff like this. (Don't whine; it's tongue-in-cheek.)

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/111121_maryannholder.grid-3x2.jpg

GREENSBORO, N.C. — Mary Ann Holder wanted to see her married former flame one last time as their bitter love triangle threatened to open a new and potentially costly chapter in court.

The meeting ended with Randall Lamb, 40, getting shot and Holder, 36, taking her own life Sunday. Later, police found that Holder gunned down four children living in her home, including her two sons, and the older boy's girlfriend. Two are dead. Three of the children survived and were in critical condition Monday.

Investigators were trying to unravel the violent chain of events and understand why Holder took out her rage on children. Holder left notes taking responsibility for the shootings and apologizing for the pain she was causing, Guilford County Sheriff BJ Barnes said. The notes also indicate Holder was angry about how her relationship with Lamb came to an end.

"They were obviously shot for the purpose of killing them. You can call it an execution, you can call it a shooting, you can call it whatever you want. The result is the same," he said. "We may never know exactly what her thoughts were and why."

Investigators said Holder and Lamb had been having an affair for almost four years and it was grinding to an acrimonious end.

In February, Lamb's wife, Jennifer, sought a court order to keep Holder away from her and her husband. Jennifer Lamb stated in the complaint that Holder would constantly call and text their cell phones and that Holder also sent nude pictures of herself. In June, Holder filed restraining orders against Lamb and his wife, saying they stalked and harassed her and that Lamb constantly drove past her house.

Authorities said Lamb agreed to meet Holder at a community college parking lot around 9 a.m. Sunday. His wife was about to file an alienation of affection lawsuit against Holder. North Carolina law allows a married person to sue the person with whom his or her spouse had an affair.

Holder shot at him multiple times and hit him once in the shoulder, the sheriff said. Lamb called his wife, who reported the shooting to 911 dispatchers. He was in stable condition on Monday.

Holder then drove off to pick up her 14-year-old son. Phone records indicate that about 45 minutes later, Zachary Smith was sending a text message thanking his hosts for letting him stay over the previous night.

Nearly half an hour later, a sheriff's deputy on the lookout for Holder's black SUV drove past it and turned around after seeing what he thought was a puff of smoke inside the vehicle. Holder was found dead inside with a gunshot to the head, and Zachary critically wounded was in the SUV's back seat. Deputies recovered two handguns inside the vehicle, one in Holder's lap, the sheriff said.

The officers then went into Holder's home in the Pleasant Garden community south of Greensboro and found Holder's son, 17-year-old Robert Dylan Smith, dead. Smith's girlfriend, Makayla Woods, 15, and Holder's nephew, Richard Suttles, 17, were also shot inside the home and were in critical condition Monday. Holder's niece, Hannaleigh Suttles. 8, died Monday.

The victims appeared to have been shot while they slept in a bedroom and the home's living room, said Barnes's chief deputy, Col. Randy Powers.

Holder's decision to take in her dead sister's children appeared to add to the pressures of what appeared to be a life in turmoil, neighbor Teresa Scott said.

"Why would you take them children, keep them children, when your life's rocky, up and down?" said Scott, who said Holder began renting the home across the street about four years ago.

Holder's children were kind and vigilant towards the elderly couple across the road, Teresa Scott said. They volunteered to help with yard maintenance and enquired about the health of her husband Joe, who has had recent health problems.

In the past, Lamb also appeared to like Holder's children, Teresa Scott said. "They'd pack up things and go places together," she said.

But it was also clear the affair between Holder and Lamb had become acrimonious, Teresa Scott said. Robert Smith posted no-tresspassing signs on trees in the front yard this year in response to the rising level of tension between Holder and Lamb, Scott said.

No one answered the door at Lamb's home or at the homes of neighbors at the end of long driveways.

The multiple shootings stunned law officers, Barnes said.

"We've got death. We've got drama. We've got a situation basically no one could ever imagine," Barnes said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45389913/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

 

[sweepthefloor]

It's a crazy world. I do not live in it.

 

[richard_daily]

Ok, between this and that other thread of yours, you're definitely doing an LT impression.

 

[RoryN]

Ok, between this and that other thread of yours, you're definitely doing an LT impression.

How's that?

 

[richard_daily]

How's that?

I'm not really sure how to explain it to you if you don't see it.

 

[clutch1]

Why the kids, I ask you?
She just didn't kill her own but other peoples kids.

 

[KRCummings]

Why the kids, I ask you?
She just didn't kill her own but other peoples kids.

Because she was mentally ill.

 

[Druthers]

Münchausen's sounds like it would mean house eating, but it doesn't.

 

[RoryN]

I'm not really sure how to explain it to you if you don't see it.

Seems that would mean the "link" isn't strong enough to justify.

Why the kids, I ask you?
She just didn't kill her own but other peoples kids.

She was pissed, and most likely mentally ill. She knew killing children would hurt their loved ones emotionally.

 

[richard_daily]

Seems that would mean the "link" isn't strong enough to justify.

No, that's not at all what it means. If you don't see it, you don't see it.

Carry on.

 

[RoryN]

No, that's not at all what it means.

Yes. It does.

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

 

[clutch1]

Because she was mentally ill.

I don't need a scar running down my face or 40 more I.Q. points to see that.
I guess I'll never be that crazy to get why people do these kind of things.

 

[clutch1]

Also should Ozzy be careful?
Because this broad looks like Sharon.

 

[Peregrinator]

...and then I'm reminded of stuff like this. (Don't whine; it's tongue-in-cheek.)

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/111121_maryannholder.grid-3x2.jpg



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45389913/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Lady P and I don't have any kids.

 

[Comshaw]

...and then I'm reminded of stuff like this. (Don't whine; it's tongue-in-cheek.)

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/111121_maryannholder.grid-3x2.jpg



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45389913/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

No wonder you're not married and never will be.



Comshaw

 

[RoryN]

No wonder you're not married and never will be.

That's the first nice thing you've ever said to me.

 

[Hooey_rorynALT]

Yes. It does.

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

Hooey! Am I ever a big Dumb-Dumb! Hooey!

When someone (everyone) outclasses me and I simply do not have an acceptable answer I try to turn the tables with a witty comeback. But Hooey everyone can see right through my stupity! Hooey!

Where is the pik-a-nik basket Boo Boo?


What a moron I am I have just been crucified by another Litster and my answer is idiotic. Hooey!


I'm so stupid that I claim to be a Mod, yet I can't even ban or control my own Alts! Hooey!

I have no response worthy of words once again! Hooey!

 

[The_Profit]

It's generally cheaper to stay married but the buyout is usually worth it in the long run.

 

[Obama_Sucks]

Ok, between this and that other thread of yours, you're definitely doing an LT impression.

They are starting to sound like the same person and that I do agree.

 

[RoryN]

GREENSBORO, N.C. -- A 17-year-old shot by his aunt died on Friday, bringing the death toll from a weekend massacre outside Greensboro to six, including the shooter, authorities said.

Richard Brian Suttles, who had been shot on Sunday along with four other minors and one adult by Mary Ann Holder, died shortly before 1 p.m. Friday, Guilford County Sheriff BJ Barnes said.

Along with Suttles, Holder killed her two sons, eight-year-old niece, and the 15-year-old girlfriend of one of her sons before killing herself. She also shot her married lover in the shoulder, and police say he's expected to recover.

The 36-year-old woman had been having an affair with Randall Lamb, 40, for almost four years, but it was coming to an end after months of bitter accusations between Holder, Lamb and Lamb's wife, including allegations of stalking and harassment.

Holder shot Lamb Sunday morning at a community college parking lot, and then drove away to pick up her son, 14-year-old Zachary Smith. Within a half-hour, a sheriff's deputy found Holder dead inside her SUV with a gun in her lap and her son mortally wounded in the back seat.

Police went to her home in the Pleasant Grove community south of Greensboro and found her son, 17-year-old Robert Dylan Smith, dead. Suttles, 15-year-old Makayla Leigh Woods and Holder's niece, 8-year-old Hannaleigh Suttles, were all suffering from wounds that would prove to be fatal. Hannaleigh died on Monday, followed by Zachary Smith a day later and Woods on Wednesday.

The victims at Holder's home appeared to have been shot while they slept in a bedroom and the living room, according to Barnes' chief deputy, Col. Randy Powers.

Holder left two notes taking responsibility for the killings. Police are continuing to investigate the case.

.....

 

[Cade Is Here]

Hey rory.... what happened to you and 1bimale?

Are you two getting back together?

Also if you did not live here 24hrs a day posting under your alts you could have a real life ya know!

 

[semen4her]

Some guys can't control their women.

It's sad.

 

[cubbies]

It's generally cheaper to stay married but the buyout is usually worth it in the long run.

If there was a lease with a dollar buy out, I would be a happy man.