Laurel & Manu You are called to account.

[Marlene38EE]

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[Darkniciad]

Mistakes happen.

If you know absolutely that there are no underage characters engaged in sexual activity in the story, just re-submit with a note in the "notes" section saying that you believed the rejection was in error.

Note that some things such as older/younger role-play can get rejected as underage, if the scene can be pulled out of the story's context and read as actual underage.

Otherwise, it's probably just a mistake from speed reading. They're approving 60+ stories a night, so knee-jerk, quick rejections that are in error happen.

 

[_Lynn_]

The rejection is in the form of a question. Answer the question in the notes box as Dark said.

 

[Marlene38EE]

It's not a question...it's a statement.

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[_Lynn_]

It's not a question, it's a statement.
Otherwise they'd use a question mark.

Was there an underage (under 18 years old) sexual relationship in my story?

Looks like a question to me.

 

[Marlene38EE]

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[snoopercharmbrights]

... Please feel free to re-submit the story after a Volunteer Editor has examined it ...

I feel sure that one of our expert professional regulars here sr71plt (q.v.) could find a whole raft of errors where you have not conformed to the Chicago Manual of Style.

 

[lovecraft68]

I will have answers from you, immediately.
I openly defy you to find even a single character anywhere in my story under the age of 18.
It's plainly obvious you DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER READING THE WORK BEFORE REJECTING IT. The closest mention to underage in the work is in the Disclaimer and the WARNING about people under 18 reading this work of mine.
I post that Disclaimer here to illustrate my point;

**DISCLAIMER**

The following is a work of fiction.
It is not an Autobiography.

It is not for readers under the age of eighteen (18) years old.
Names of places and people have been changed or completely made up for Identity Protection in accordance with Law, although I am retaining use of my own Christian/Personal name with alterations as legally-appropriate to my Surname & Married name.

Any similarity to persons, places, situations or incidents living or deceased is purely coincidental and unintentional.​

******BEGIN COPY & QUOTE********
Dear Writer,

Thank you for your submission to Literotica. We appreciate the time and effort you've taken to write a story and submit it to our site. However, we've found that we cannot post your submission in its current form. The checklist below may help you in re-examining your manuscript.

Was there an underage (under 18 years old) sexual relationship in my story?

Please feel free to re-submit the story after a Volunteer Editor has examined it, or after you've made revisions. You can find a list of Volunteer Editors here.

Please consult our Writer's Resources section and make sure you read our submission guidelines:

If you have any questions on these, please let us know.

Thanks for your time, and look forward to reading you again!

Laurel & Manu
Literotica.Com
************END COPY & QUOTE*************

From what I understand, the first time your story is submitted it is scanned by a "bot" the bot does not think or interpret so something could have been perceived wrong.

If you do as Dark says and resubmit with a note saying "there is no underage sex here" then a person will look at it and if you are right it will go through.

Beginning of the year I had something rejected for saying I already had a story with that title. I did not, but it was similar I resubmitted a simple note saying that it was an error and it got approved

I understand your frustrastrated, but "calling out" the owners won't het you anywhere, but eventually picked on by the defenders of the faith.

For the most part the site is very fairly run, but its their site and they'll do as they please, don;t make a target out of yourself.

 

[_Lynn_]

IF anyone had ever bothered to actually read it, they wouldn't have to ask the question as they'd know that; 'No there isn't.'

It's a Rejection Notice, not a Pre-Submission 'checklist'.
Questions like that belong on a Pre-Sub list prior to submitting and NOT anywhere on a Rejection Notice.

Yes, I have plenty of Real World Pre-Submission Guideline Manuals and Rejection Notices to know how it's supposed to work. Good for you. Are they from Lit? If not, then you don't know how Lit works.

Asking that question is a blind-shot-in-the-dark because someone is too lazy to read through 7 chapters, or they have a deeply paranoid fear of pedophiles lurking everywhere like roaches and Everyone is suapect. This is a free site run by Laurel and Manu. People follow their rules or go elsewhere.

So, either they didn't bother reading it. Of course they can't read every submission every day. The bots do some of that for them, filtering for submissions that might go against the guidelines. OR
They suspect everyone of being a closet ped, no matter what. I'm not even answering this.

Neither is acceptable, to any standard I know of, and this is supposed to be a place welcoming amateur writers....

After the crap I went through regarding 'spelling errors' over and over and over again...I am NOT willing to be genial, or kind. It demonstrated that the BS factor is quite high, and I am possibly going to be leaving Literotica as I have found other sites far more welcoming of my efforts that don't point fingers at imaginary spelling errors and claim them to be concretely-real, as example.

You're welcome to leave and post elsewhere. That's your choice.

 

[lovecraft68]

You're welcome to leave and post elsewhere. That's your choice.

ML, on a different issue within this post, do they really reject due to spelling errors? Reason I ask is that I have seem stories so riddled with them that I doubt this is true, either that or the Bot can't spell either.

 

[Vioan]

1: Demanding answers gets you nowhere. It only makes people inclined to be less helpful, because you can't even ask nicely.
2: I've had similar problems -- stories getting rejected for trivial or vague reasons. Just resubmit it and add to the little notes box that they probably made a mistake rejecting your story. Jeez, how difficult was that to figure out?

 

[mikey2much]

I think sometimes they feel that there is a 'feel' to a story of underage sex

ML, on a different issue within this post, do they really reject due to spelling errors? Reason I ask is that I have seem stories so riddled with them that I doubt this is true, either that or the Bot can't spell either.

They are a bit strict on underage sex. I have had stories rejected with the note that I should check my spelling. I sent the story to an editor and he agreed that the spelling was not the problem. I have butchered two of my stories to post here over the threat of underage sex.

It is the biggest drawback to the site in my opinion. I feel sure that the lit Posse will come screaming at me for saying that they shouldn't be able to have such unreasonable standards on underage sex.

I know that they own the site. but I could own a soup kitchen where I gave away free soup. Would I be allowed to turn away people because of race? Or maybe over their views on abortion? I don't think so.

But the truth is you have take it or leave it. It is still the best site for a writer to get his work read by the most people. So you can do it their way or the move on down the information highway to sol or some other site.

 

[_Lynn_]

ML, on a different issue within this post, do they really reject due to spelling errors? Reason I ask is that I have seem stories so riddled with them that I doubt this is true, either that or the Bot can't spell either.

I've read posts on rejections for punctuation, but I don't know about just spelling, to be honest. You're right, though. Some posted stories have a lot of spelling errors. Not all people will see that as distracting or even notice the mistakes, whereas incorrect punctuation can make sentences harder to comprehend.

 

[Darkniciad]

I've read posts on rejections for punctuation, but I don't know about just spelling, to be honest. You're right, though. Some posted stories have a lot of spelling errors. Not all people will see that as distracting or even notice the mistakes, whereas incorrect punctuation can make sentences harder to comprehend.

Ditto. I can think of a lot of punctuation rejections, but none for spelling.

 

[lovecraft68]

Ditto. I can think of a lot of punctuation rejections, but none for spelling.

My first attempt was rejected because I had no concept of how to punctuate my dialogue. The rejection of course referred me to the resources section and I found a great "How to make your characters talk" and I got it approved next time out.

I have many people tell me dialogue is a strong suit of mine, so in my case the rejection kind of helped me out.

 

[lovecraft68]

They are a bit strict on underage sex. I have had stories rejected with the note that I should check my spelling. I sent the story to an editor and he agreed that the spelling was not the problem. I have butchered two of my stories to post here over the threat of underage sex.

It is the biggest drawback to the site in my opinion. I feel sure that the lit Posse will come screaming at me for saying that they shouldn't be able to have such unreasonable standards on underage sex.

I know that they own the site. but I could own a soup kitchen where I gave away free soup. Would I be allowed to turn away people because of race? Or maybe over their views on abortion? I don't think so.

But the truth is you have take it or leave it. It is still the best site for a writer to get his work read by the most people. So you can do it their way or the move on down the information highway to sol or some other site.

The underage thing will always be touchy here, but thing is where would it stop? Let's say that The owners said that they would go with age of consent, which in many states is 16. Personally I would have no issue with 16/17 as it makes incest more realistic, but also the first time category.

So okay we now can go to 16. How long before someone gripes about "how come I can;t do 14?" next thing you know the site is ASSTR and there are 13 year olds being gangbanged.

Although the under 18 can be a pain in certain categories the rule itself is cut and dried. NO under 18. Most of their other rules -especially "rape"/reluctance lines-are so vague it's ridiculous at least this leaves no room for interpretation.

And besides there are ways around it, you just have to be a little devious, and not get stupid. there is wiggle room.

 

[mikey2much]

I am not in favor of underage sex.

I think that A writer should be able to remember back into a character's past to reason why he became the man or woman they are. I had stories rejected and I have never written a word of underage sex or anything about sex with minors of any sort.

If you have to draw a line it should be a reasonable line like you say in your post 14 or 15 would be closer to the truth on when we take our first sexual steps with some other person. But what thoughts have formed in the minds that have shaped that first step. What pressures push a person into the first time.

That is all I want the site to allow. The no sex is fine with me but the no sexual thoughts are what rubs on me.

 

[PennLady]

That is all I want the site to allow. The no sex is fine with me but the no sexual thoughts are what rubs on me.

Every site will have something you don't agree with, whether it's something allowed or disallowed.

I had two stories rejected at LushStories. One was my Halloween story (The Collection). There's absolutely no physical violence, it's all consensual sex and the stuff they cited as violating their rules was supernatural. But they wouldn't take it. Nor would they take Facing the Past, which has no sexual violence, but did have a confrontation between a woman and her abusive brother, and a smaller one with her abusive father. However, that story is here and on a couple other sites, including EroticStories, which also has stricter violence rules than Lit.

You may want them to allow it, but they don't have to.

 

[sr71plt]

Lit. Fact One (not that there was a reason you should have known it beforehand, of course): A human editor isn't going to read your story before the computer selection program scans it and may reject it--unless you put a note in the notes box. Putting a note in the note box will flip it to the human editor. A disclaimer on top is part of the text; it won't be seen if the computer program has stopped the process on it.

Lit. Fact Two (not that there was a reason you should have known it beforehand, of course): Laurel and Manu don't normally read the forum threads, so you aren't addressing them here--you are addressing forum folks who have no direct power/ability/means to do anything for you. If you want to speak to either of them, send a direct PM (upper right hand corner of this page). Don't e-mail, because another anomally here is that they don't read their e-mails--at least they don't answer them.

Headscratcher One: Your disclaimer doesn't say that there's no underage sex in your story. It says that those who are under 18 shouldn't read it. Those are not even remotely the same thing. I had to scroll down through your rants to see an actual statement by you that there was no underage sex in your story. Telling readers under 18 not to read a story here doesn't mean squat and it doesn't have anything to do with the website ban on underage sex in the story text.

Truth Number One: You have no standing to demand anything from Laurel and Manu on this website. They are the owners of a private website and you are only here by their sufferance and through their kindness to let you be here. You have no "right" to do anything that they don't want to facilitate. So, change your attitude and continue to ask nicely for help--which is given here pretty patiently--or take a hike.

 

[_Lynn_]

Lit. Fact One (not that there was a reason you should have known it beforehand, of course): A human editor isn't going to read your story before the computer selection program scans it and may reject it--unless you put a note in the notes box. Putting a note in the note box will flip it to the human editor. A disclaimer on top is part of the text; it won't be seen if the computer program has stopped the process on it.

Lit. Fact Two (not that there was a reason you should have known it beforehand, of course): Laurel and Manu don't normally read the forum threads, so you aren't addressing them here--you are addressing forum folks who have no direct power/ability/means to do anything for you. If you want to speak to either of them, send a direct PM (upper right hand corner of this page). Don't e-mail, because another anomally here is that they don't read their e-mails--at least they don't answer them.

Headscratcher One: Your disclaimer doesn't say that there's no underage sex in your story. It says that those who are under 18 shouldn't read it. Those are not even remotely the same thing. I had to scroll down through your rants to see an actual statement by you that there was no underage sex in your story. Telling readers under 18 not to read a story here doesn't mean squat and it doesn't have anything to do with the website ban on underage sex in the story text.

Truth Number One: You have no standing to demand anything from Laurel and Manu on this website. They are the owners of a private website and you are only here by their sufferance and through their kindness to let you be here. You have no "right" to do anything that they don't want to facilitate. So, change your attitude and continue to ask nicely for help--which is given here pretty patiently--or take a hike.

What he said.

 

[lovecraft68]

As I said previously. See the last two posts for the Defenders of the Faith.

Really though, I think this is much adieu about a simple misunderstanding. And Pilot is right, you're shouting into the dark here.

 

[Marlene38EE]

yelling into the dark...

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[sr71plt]

A note about it being a multiple-chapter work is not a note either about spelling or underage issues. So, as far as I can see, you continue to have an inability to communicate what is what--and to do it to the wrong folks in the wrong venue.

 

[butters]

Lit. Fact One (not that there was a reason you should have known it beforehand, of course): A human editor isn't going to read your story before the computer selection program scans it and may reject it--unless you put a note in the notes box. Putting a note in the note box will flip it to the human editor. A disclaimer on top is part of the text; it won't be seen if the computer program has stopped the process on it.

Lit. Fact Two (not that there was a reason you should have known it beforehand, of course): Laurel and Manu don't normally read the forum threads, so you aren't addressing them here--you are addressing forum folks who have no direct power/ability/means to do anything for you. If you want to speak to either of them, send a direct PM (upper right hand corner of this page). Don't e-mail, because another anomally here is that they don't read their e-mails--at least they don't answer them.

Headscratcher One: Your disclaimer doesn't say that there's no underage sex in your story. It says that those who are under 18 shouldn't read it. Those are not even remotely the same thing. I had to scroll down through your rants to see an actual statement by you that there was no underage sex in your story. Telling readers under 18 not to read a story here doesn't mean squat and it doesn't have anything to do with the website ban on underage sex in the story text.

Truth Number One: You have no standing to demand anything from Laurel and Manu on this website. They are the owners of a private website and you are only here by their sufferance and through their kindness to let you be here. You have no "right" to do anything that they don't want to facilitate. So, change your attitude and continue to ask nicely for help--which is given here pretty patiently--or take a hike.

yep.

seriously, demanding?

 

[AsylumSeeker]

So, change your attitude and continue to ask nicely for help--which is given here pretty patiently--or take a hike.

Yeah, I'm on the same page.

Laurel is a dear person who obsesses over us, her "kids" so to speak. She puts up with us/me. So please do not think it a "right" for you to have a story posted.

You had two choices when confronted with this problem. You chose the wrong one.

Okay <wiping the slate clean>.

Can we help you?